Venandi

Oooops, I considered the post to be off topic (and something of a dead issue) so I deleted it before seeing your reply... sorry. Those boards caused me look deeper at the biology in an effort to form my own opinion.... as I did more research the rhetoric and hype made less sense. I've had a lot of vaccines over the years, this was the first one I balked at.

What a patently ridiculous statement. For my family it ended 4 generations of military service when my oldest (with a Masters Degree in biology BTW) balked at the jab and opted for voluntary release. The numbers you find online (military attrition) are deliberately designed to deceive. They were disciplinary releases after counselling and probation. Most people opted for voluntary release to avoid the stigma of forced disciplinary release. And BTW, the recorded warning/ C&P process which took place was the fastest I've ever (and I mean EVER) seen in 32 years of service. Personally, I was retired at the time but after 10 foreign deployments I"m pretty sure I've had every vaccine known to man... and then some. I'm willing to bet the number is way more than you've had... and with that said, I never would have submitted to this one. The question that went unanswered (and it's grade 10 biology), was how can systemic distribution of the S protein be avoided in the presence of lipid nanoparticles? The short answer is it can't... the whole "contained in the deltoid" rhetoric was manifestly foolish from the get go and has since been proven to be totally, manifestly and (I say) deliberately false. Not only did your neighbours lose their jobs over this, you cheered when it happened. In my Provence we still have experience nurses waiting tables during a massive nursing shortage because they're blocked from returning. Like gun violence in Toronto being the reason for harassing duck hunters in PEI, you are so far out of orbit that hitting the sun won't even cause you discomfort. I stand in awe...

Good Lord.... find any definition of terrorism (RCMP, UN, DOD, HLS, CF etc) and explain how she approaches any established threshold of domestic terrorism... the use and/or threat of violence is a key component and it was totally lacking here. This is purely political to the point that if I were you, I'd be concerned that my own political rivals might consider using the same unhinged extremist logic against me at some point in the future. Right now that's not the case, if you were to defend your own views in the same manner that she did I'd say exactly the same thing in your defence... this isn't about agreeing with her. The only way you can possibly make a case is by being totally bat shi% crazy at a time when you have the (temporary) political clout to do so. Wouldn't it be wise to consider that won't always be the case? I really don't think you, or anyone else for that matter would actually enjoy riding the bull you're currently poking with a stick on a full stomach. Even though that might be entertaining for some of us to watch, when it comes right down to it I'd actually hate to see you in the same predicament you seem to be cheerleading for. Isn't that attitude more inline with a society that everyone can actually cheer for?

Ya, I hate to see it too. The system was designed to try and keep production in line with demand whilst providing a living wage for farmers. It's pretty clearly out of whack though. Unfortunately, the waste is a byproduct of excess production (over quota)... dumping it didn't make a lot of sense to me when I was younger either (my aunt had a dairy farm). In a ten year period (ending in 2021) there was over 6 billion litres of excess milk dumped nationally and some estimates put it higher than that. It represents about 10% of the Canadian market. But, if you think about it 10% excess production individually doesn't seem crazy high to me... the combined over production across the board sure is though and it's pure waste. Some of the resident "greenies" might like to measure all this waste in terms of the GHGs that go into producing it... they never seem to get too excited about stuff like that. Apparently It's about 8 million tons of Co2 annually, somewhere around the equivalent of 300, 000 cars. That sound high to me but what do I know. Anyway, years later it still doesn't make a lot of sense and it sounds like it's gotten worse.

Seems pretty straight forward to me. The Constitution sets three qualifications for service in the U.S. Senate and one of them is residency in the state a senator represents at the time of election. Simply put they are required to live in the same state they represent. The tax laws seem simple enough too, if you own more than one property only one can be considered the principal residence... it's the one a person lives in most of the time. Are you're suggesting that it really was his primary residence and he really did live there most of the time; I'm just curious as to which regulation you think he broke? Was he ignoring senate residency requirements and defrauding his constituents or was it the IRS? I'd say follow the money and suggest that it was the IRS... but that's just me.

Can you imagine a galaxy where they didn't? I see no other reason for such a weak sister terrorism designation. I can just visualize the staff officers rolling their eyes as they actioned the request for a hook.

There was real violence, real property destruction and real deaths at the ANTIFA riots... they didn't make the terrorism threshold (even though I think they hit the parameters of the definition). In this case though the domestic terrorism designation was the hook requested and it allowed FBI resources into the venue. It was a deliberate (and cynical) response to a direct request (for a hook) and both parties knew upfront that the intent was to silence parents, and do it in a way that would intimidate others. There's pretty much no other way of looking at this. I think you'd have to make the case that the ANTIFA riots were mild by comparison in order to convince anyone that the whole sordid thing wasn't cravenly political. In response though, I think people will provide reams of examples of death threats that didn't tar an entire group of innocuous individuals (like concerned parents) as domestic terrorists. I understand why they did it though, if I wanted to do horrid things in the school system crushing parental dissent would be job one, I'd do exactly the same thing. OK, actually I would never do that... I'm only speaking hypothetically as if I were a democrat.

Various organizations (UN, RCMP, DOD, HLS, FBI etc) have their own definition of terrorism but all of them are variations of a common theme. Angry parents at a PTA meeting DON'T fit any of those definitions.... it was a talking point and politically motivated stunt from the beginning, every bit as silly as how the word Nazi is hurled about here on the forum... except it was the government doing it as opposed to a rabid buffoon on an anonymous forum. If you're a democrat though the idea is a good one, labeling parents as domestic terrorists qualifies as one of the few ways the federal government could intervene in local school board meetings and use the FBI to silence parents. That was the federal "hook" they were talking about and that's how they obtained it.

Yup... you'd think it would be obvious eh?

Exactly why it was sold as Russian disinformation as opposed to China, North Korea etc. If Trump is a Russian plant I'd say they picked a lousy operative. If I were Russian and wanted to see the US implode under the weight of its own Buffoonery I would have worked diligently to get Biden reelected.

If memory serves, part of hunters "employment" was to provide situational assessments to Ukraine... the very sort of assessments found on the laptop. The chain of custody (continuity of evidence) isn't a factor for me personally because I'm only interest in the tactics behind the effort to deceive as opposed to prosecution. In order to accept your theory that lack of continuity was causal as opposed to being an evidentiary roadblock, I'd have to accept that the assessments (written in the manner that they were), actually got planted in the laptop for political gain. I'm more inclined to believe he provided them as a condition of his employment to actually do so. If you have evidence to the contrary I stand ready to peruse it. On the other hand, the document signed by 51 analysts and repeated dozens of times a day by the media is a classic example of deliberate disinformation (with a predictable escape valve) in it's own right... regardless of whether the evidence was corrupted or not. It's exactly the sort of war room rebuttal I would have issued too and I'd have done that regardless of the computers actual authenticity. People needed to believe it was a Russian hoax perpetrated by Russia because they supported Trump. An easy sell since most cool aid consumers believe Trump is a Russian asset anyway.

I think someone may have spiked the cool aid. Some of the intelligence assessments on the laptop were written in a style and format that doesn't come naturally to most people (meaning Hunter). I wonder if any of those assessments look similar to anything contained in that unsecured box in Daddies garage.... a question never asked by the media. Yes, continuity of evidence is a mandatory requirement for prosecution but prosecution isn't actually my concern here... intent to deceive is, but that's just me because I recognized the methodology and would have done the same thing the same way. I think you'd have to spin a patented Roboyarn to show that it was all a big conspiracy to get Hunter. Let me help you with something simplistic, it may even sound familiar: Sorry (not) ^this OPINION means NOTHING because you have NO CREDENTIALS to make ^these judgements and NOT CITED ANY CREDENTIALED EXPERTS WHO DO.

Classic really... and perfect timing to boot; it saved the election for Biden. All experienced analysts and agents... they didn't lie but they knowingly developed a false narrative that was based on a snippet of truth; that's how it's done. The exit strategy was designed and distributed to ALCON before the letter was signed and then it was sold hard and often by a compliant media. Perfect amalgamation of government, intelligence and media (the unholy trinity) which makes almost any disinformation possible. As I recall, all signatories were retired and some of them scored pretty good jobs after signing. No currently serving operator would ever have signed that willingly. The best part is Demonrat supporters are still singing the exit strategy song at the top of their lungs as if they knew it all the time. It was information management at its best, people who've done courses in these things recognized it immediately.

All of your bloody comments are and they qualify as a waste of bandwidth to the point of causing scroll button failure. Unfortunately, selecting ignore doesn't hide your nonsense when others quote it. Ask me how I know this...

The purpose is to create a deterrent effect and send a message, the red carpet for illegal migrants has been lifted by popular demand, you will be caught and deported. As I've said here before there is no joy in this, in fact I'm angry that it was allowed to happen at all, more so when you consider it was allowed to fester to the point of predictable backlash. There's a "what did you think was going to happen" question in all of this that the people who created the problem fail to answer... not surprising perhaps since they fail to even acknowledge their own culpability in creating the mess. Instead they demonize people actually enforcing the very laws of the land that they wilfully ignored. No one is feeding illegals to alligators. As Roboduh would say: Sorry (not) ^this OPINION means NOTHING because you have NO CREDENTIALS to make ^these judgements and NOT CITED ANY CREDENTIALED EXPERTS WHO DO. Every once in a while the critter gets something right by accident. So again.... this is valuable from a deterrent perspective, especially with regard to lunatic progressives who attack facilities and assault federal officers. Contrary to popular belief, this likely wasn't the choice of champions in terms of location.... it was simply to prevent problems. There's a lot about this I don't like BTW but I'd have done the same thing for exactly the same reason. Not sure what you see as different between the holding cells based on incumbent administrations over the years. They're of a common (meaning similar) design found across the board even thought they are modular and thus customizable to some extent. Say ATCO trailers, ISO shelters or BATs to any soldier and they know exactly what you mean even though some of the layouts/utilities can vary. This is pretty much that.

Nope, I think it's just you. As to the topic at hand my concern (as always) is for the inevitable backlash and the fact that it will go as far in the opposite direction as the buffoonery that spawned it. It's predictable and it's only a matter of time until we follow the current US example Across the board a lot of people get hurt... in the beginning, otherwise compassionate people are hurt by circumstances beyond their control which cause them to participate in (or demand) the backlash, even though they find it distasteful, they see no alternative. Those in the backlash reticle are hurt as a matter of course and many of them unfairly IMO. In the meantime, those who actually caused the problem have little more to offer (on either side of the equation) than name calling, property destruction and simplistic posts on anonymous forums that end in LMAO or duh. I'm finding it harder and harder to blame politicians for all this.

Quite comfortable actually and much better than military ISO shelters IMO. Strong opinion and zero experience seems to affect keyboard cap lock functions. Probably best to ignore critters like this as it's a waste of time talking to them. I'll be following my own advice on that in about two minutes. You and people like you are directly responsible for everything that has occurred in the form of backlash. What did you think was going to happen? You rolled out the welcome mat and encouraged illegals to come in droves, you ignored your own immigration laws and you created sanctuary cities (and entire states) in order to break those laws with impunity whilst thwarting any and all attempts at lawful enforcement. You went way too far with it, way beyond what you could hope to support or expect others to support. Then predictably, and as Flyer would happily say YOU LOST... and no amount of nastiness or cap locked insults is going to change that in the short term. The swamp was as much to keep you out as it was to keep them in temporarily.... the selection of that site is actually on you. Without buffoons attacking facilities and assaulting federal officers enforcing your own laws it would never have been necessary. Anyone with the intellect of a goldfish (could and should) have anticipated this backlash... especially the raving buffoons who caused it.

Transient holding cells follow a pretty common / predictable design and haven't changed much from one administration to the next. With few differences, these were Obama era holding cells in design and intent, during that period all was fine with progressives and the media. They became inhuman when Trump took office the first time then quickly faded to "fine and dandy" under Biden. Now, predictably, they're inhuman once again under Trump. The only thing that's changed here is the political rhetoric and selective outrage of progressives. I've done two deployments under canvass in hotter places than Florida.... there's an app for that and I don't remember hearing progressives (of any stripe) bemoaning the conditions their military members lived under whilst "over there"... being a LIAR though I may have missed it; you and Herb were probably front and centre, leading the charge with your objections. As to the camp location it comes with challenges and since you value honesty it's worth noting that the flooding was minor and not unexpected. In those conditions electrical issues commonly arise too because of water ingress... it's a known problem and if we're being honest there's an app for that too. The location probably wasn't a first choice but it was available, close to civilization but still difficult to access and escape from. Progressive buffoons will have difficulty disrupting the camp and attacking ICE agents there. Those attacks (and the ongoing threat of more to come) were likely a major factor in the facility location assessment... so perversely, the people screaming the loudest about the location are actually the ones directly responsible for it becoming the venue of choice. All of this is part of a predictable backlash and you had to know it was coming. The total buffoonery at the southern border over 4 years actually created it and backlashes (by nature) usually go farther than originally intended... just like the buffoonery that created the backlash in the first place. Which leads to my final point: I'm wondering just WTF you thought was going to happen here... you sound surprised all of this is happening and if you were to be HONEST, you really shouldn't be. There are aspects of this I don't like either and personally, I blame people just like you for having created the backlash that spawned them. Buffoonery comes with a cost and your's is now hurting the very people you pretend to support with weak sister insults and name calling an anonymous political forum of all things, well done big guy. How's that sh^% working for ya?

Not the first taste of it by a long shot; actually, it's Indistinguishable from the Biden era youth detention centres you previously thought were A-OK... As long as rampant polarization prevails you will "reap what you sow" and you'll do it in spades. Cool eh?

You mean just like the places they now live vertically in large centres (here, in the US and other places) Toronto comes instantly to mind for me. It helps to take even one demographic group as a for instance, that way you begin to see where we (Sweden and others) went wrong. Single mothers from these regions often have lower status in their own country than their teenage sons do; so (as expected), they lose control of them here mostly to gangs. It's not difficult to understand. Nor is it difficult to understand why they don't trust the police, military, or government in their home country where invariably a "mafia style" gang/war lord situation becomes the norm. Import them in large numbers, turn them loose without adequate support, and then house them vertically in ghettoized neighbourhoods and the results become predictable. A classic WTF did you think was going to happen scenario IMO. Almost as predictable as the cries of "racist xenophobe" from Herb like creatures when people (who actually do understand the cultural idynamics) suggest that doing that comes with challenges. And before any trolls get nasty here I didn't even say don't do it... BUT, if you are going to do it at least make a weak sister effort to do the damn thing right. For all the bluster and name calling, you (we and us) "cheaped out". Now you (we and us) will have to live with the consequences of it for decades. Throw in the effect of demographic concentrations on voting blocks and differences in (ethnic) birth rates over time and the smart money is on "interesting times ahead". I haven't seen a single conversation about the future of the countries demographic topography that didn't (or doesn't) dissolve into name calling. Isn't it rational to consider where the demographics will (or could be) 50 years from now? Who knows, maybe in 50 years Germany will be an Islamic state, maybe it won't and maybe that's OK either way... isn't it something worth considering before it happens though?

Not just the US by the looks of things... the Toronto Police Service is clearly guilty of scapegoating too. https://www.tps.ca/organizational-chart/specialized-operations-command/detective-operations/investigative-services/homicide/most-wanted/

Yes indeed, and I always wondered about the "a lot of people" aspect of this because it only seemed to be an actual election issue for conservatives even though most of my liberal acquaintances are just as appalled by the overall situation as I am. If I were to paraphrase what I've heard from them, it's certainly an issue but not one that has sufficient impact on their daily lives that they would vote conservative. Essentially, they're hard core liberal supporters and their support is unlikely to change now that JT is gone... he was the reason some of them toyed with the idea of crossing the floor. Even liberal acquaintances in the shooting sports (they do exist BTW) who don't like the gun grab and can't fathom the thought process behind it seem willing to stay the course... the consensus here seems to be PP himself... they don't like him and won't vote conservative because of it (meaning him). It's worth noting that these folks are well established in the sport, they are not seeking to acquire more hardware and thus not (I'll say overly) adversely affected by the madness. On the other hand, there aren't many liberals (meaning none I know of) at IPSC events, these folks are very much adversely affected by the grab and it's a pretty big issue because survival of the sport (in Canada) is now a topic of discussion. In this group, the absolute madness of the grab is a constant irritant. All anecdotal of course but most of my hobbies attract a wide variety of different people from different walks of life who simply share a common interest. As a group, they're far more sensible and polite than any of the "herb robo or flyer type critters you find here on the forum. You can actually talk to them. My take on it (for whatever that's worth) is that PP has maxed out at 41% and goes no further. The overall situation on a number of fronts would have to get much worse for that to change, either that or they would have to despise the incumbent liberal PM as much as they did JT. NDP voters are a wild card IMO, scare them and they'll jump ship, seems to me that was what had the biggest effect on the last election... sort of a balance of power thing. In future I suspect situations will be inflamed or invented to swing as many as possible to the liberal fold. Expecting them to ever vote conservative isn't in the cards IMO. In other hobbies that are highly cross political I sense a similar perspective but political/religious discussions in that environment are universally left at the door (right next to the shoe rack). How's that for a completely uninformed anecdotal assessment?

There's a couple of threads here that resonate a deja vu effect with me... one of them being the state of our (national) finances and the second the overall immigration issue; especially the rationalization of things (on both issues) that simply don't make sense to me from a common sense or sustainability perspective. I say that because the conversations here are reminiscent of ones I've previously had with Greek and Swedish colleagues (over a beer) prior to their own financial and immigration crisis hitting them squarely in the head with a sledge hammer. The tone of those discussions was much more cordial of course but their rationalizations were eerily similar and very "Herb like" in nature. I found myself playing the role of Fox with each of them playing the role of Herb but (and this is my point) the discussion itself was virtually identical, except for the fact that it was cordial and friendly. Unfortunately, I lack the political acumen to compare (off the top of my head) our financial machinations to that of Greece and our immigration ones to Sweden in concrete terms. I also lack the time it takes to research the situational differences that might serve to give me herbs confidence that all is well on (what I now fear) is a sinking ship. Since I don't have the luxury of time to do my own homework here I'll put it in the form of a question: are we in danger of replicating the Greek financial crises and Swedish immigration disaster? For the record (and IMO), the only difference I see is that we now seem to be approaching PNR (point of no return) on course to achieving apogee on both of those issues simultaneously... I think I need a bigger sledge hammer. Sorry to ask and run but that's just the way of it... Cheers

I'm saying that it most definitely WAS the Liberal tactic. I have no party of choice, in fact I used to vote Liberal... it was them that changed not me. It wasn't just a change either, the ground literally shifted under my feet when they went bat sh^% crazy. That was a joke not a false indication of intent vetted by focus groups and distributed for political gain. The liberal version was (at best) deliberately manipulative and patently false. BTW, I see you're into the whole down vote childishness you enjoy with other posters... doesn't work with me; it simply means the conversation is now over.

After signing out (above), this was the first headline I saw... Trump is now zooming in and out on his favourite weasel without any need to adjust for elevation or windage: Trump to hit Canadian copper with drastic 50% tariff, clobbering massive export market Trump told reporters at a cabinet meeting that 'today we’re doing copper'