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Here's the view from those liberal hyenas at CBC.... so it must be true , right? This is all connected and it's not off topic at all, so put the keyboard down Herb. https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6625088 Amid all of the Doggie-Boy and Roboduh insults being hurled from low hanging branches like so much monkey sh^% is a few dirt basic questions in need of consideration. I'd like to hear the progressive plan for how we're going to recruit and train the 16,400 people the military is short in a timely fashion without a killer pause in operational tempo. I'm beginning to think that even if we were hit the 2% spending target tomorrow, the personnel deficiencies would make it difficult to spend the extra money. I'd also like to know where the crews to fly those UAVs Canada is getting will come from. You can probably expect needing a minimum of 5 crews per vehicle and we are already desperately short of trained aircrew as it is. I'd could ask about the manning for those 16 P8's too... but I won't bother. IMO, many of the commentators here have refused to consider basic issues right in front of their faces.... what happened to the massive droves of purple haired Wiccans we were told were waiting with baited breath for more equitable recruitment standards? The only accomplishments I see is an outflow of experience in the form of attrition and an absence of input from traditional recruiting sources. And lost in this is the huge effect that serving members and retired veterans have on recruiting numbers... somewhere around 65-70% of recruits have relatives, or close family friends who are either serving or retired. And like me, it seems most of them are suggesting alternate career streams now and it sure as hell isn't a function of global warming.

Providing office space for 25 as part of an EO implementation effort might have been too big a meal for MAGA Hyenas to digest given the room available in the west wing. Is there something nefarious afoot here because there are others who would say they knew this would happen too... but for reasons of practicality that have nothing to do with the appetite of hyenas.

Denmark has just announced a 2 billion dollar increase in North Atlantic spending on surveillance and sovereignty measures including: 3 arctic patrol vessels, 2 additional long range UAV/UAS and increased satellite capacity. Prior to this announcement Denmark's contribution to NATO was 1.6% of GDP so who knows, maybe this was part of the broader plan all along. In a remarkably short period of time, Denmark's contributions and capabilities are going in the right direction and Canada is paying more attention to the border. I get that people don't like the methodology here and I certainly don't know if all of this qualifies as part of some brilliant plan, but one things for sure... begging, cajoling, asking and even dancing naked on the roof for decades hasn't been nearly as effective as a couple of weeks of Trump. I still fear is that he doesn't have the discipline to be moderate, incremental and not over extend things like tariffs though.... at some point you have to take yes for an answer and consider it a win. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is never a good idea IMO.

Yup... that's exactly what the goat said.

You'll have better luck training this dog with goats...

I was suggesting that we eat the goat. Believe it or not Doggie, I've actually watched you on FLIR with that goat.

Someday you'll be smart enough to understand it. There's big world out there... go look at it.

LOL, the universal nightmare of all UNMOs from skiing nations.... ya that's actually a standing joke in UN circles, I kid ya not. Let's skip to the part where we give a new soccer ball (donated by a Baptist church) to village kids... we'll watch the game, smoke some Marlboros and roast a fuc&^%$ goat for supper. How about some goat Herb? You probably thought the fridge connected to the villages only generator had vaccines or some such in it ...right. Nope, it's actually full of beer.

It's instructive to watch. "These people" now sound like the people they used to call "you people." And the cool part is... they don't even realize they're doing it.

Before long, some here may come to appreciate what the folks they labeled "you people" have repeatedly warned them about. There's nothing like looking around and realizing that the article you just read detailing what you're doing looks nothing like what you see out the window (or on the FLIR). All it takes is experience... mostly bad. When you see government (like the DOJ), security services (especially intelligence) and the media singing from the same page of music in three part harmony you should pay close attention to the song being sung. And... you should do that whether you like the tune or not. That was the message YOU PEOPLE previously refused to acknowledge... now you people sound exactly like the people you used to call "you people." And if you can't wrap your head around that the issues that spawned the issues you now decry will be revisited at 4 year intervals. "Nature runs a restaurant called Karma. It's a place where there is no need to place any order. You are automatically served what you deserve."

In the RCAF we call that "OPs Normal."

Come now, it's not funny innocent antics and it comes with potential downsides and risks IMO. But, you either have a workable alliance of the willing (key word here is alliance) or you don't. The dog analogy isn't as absurd as it might appear at first glance, signatories need to step up and do what they said they were going to do. The threat of tariffs has to be used wisely and for the record, I share your concern about Trump's ability to do that in disciplined manner... it's clever and effective nonetheless though, at least it could be. Is there another approach? Look at what the mere threat of tariffs accomplished here in Canada days before inauguration. Voters could have danced naked on their roofs for years and not come anywhere close to having the same effect. There's a visual for ya eh?

I'd say he definitely is but I tend to agree, it's way past time we started getting on with the grunt. This was the topic of conversation in the locker room a few days ago.... essentially, how do you motivate a neighbour (even a good one) to do the right thing if it requires an effort on their part that they can't be bothered to undertake? It's an important question I think and the better the neighbour the more difficult it is to do that without damaging a relationship you otherwise value. The key IMO, is getting your neighbour to care about something he didn't previously care about... you have to make addressing the problem something that's in his best interest. And if you can't do that by asking, begging, cajoling etc, you need to be creative. Since I'm still getting teased about this days later, I'll offer the analogy I proposed in the locker room: Your neighbour has a big fluffy friendly dog that routinely visits your house... you like the dog but he craps in your driveway, digs up the garden, tears your compost pile apart and you want it stopped. You've repeatedly talked to the neighbour about this to no avail... what do you do? Well, IMO, you have to make the neighbour care about the problem. And even though you like the dog, It has to "become his problem too." My solution is to buy one of those large full body frozen salmons that sometimes come on sale at the grocery store. You let it rot in the sun until it gets to an advanced stage of decay and then store it in a sealed container. When the dog comes over you don plastic gloves, grab a handful of fish and rub it into the dogs fur... right around his head and neck were dogs commonly rub in such things. Not a lot BTW, you want the fish to last. And, if asked... you innocently respond with yes, rotting fish makes great compost. At first you'll notice the neighbour buying Febreze at the grocery store but in a few days you'll see him outside installing an "invisible fence" in his yard. POOF... you still pet the dog on your morning walk, you're still on good terms with the neighbour and the problem is solved. As to tariffs and the threat of tariffs, I see them as a tool to be used... but wisely and sparingly. I'm beginning to wonder if Trump is disciplined enough to wield a sharp implement like this in a disciplined manner. Over using sharp tools like this comes with the risk of personal injury and I'm reminded of a YOUTUBE video entitled "idi0ts with chain saws." If you've ever worked in forestry and have a bit of expertise with a saw I highly recommend it. For me, it's right up there with "Master Ken" and the NS Wolf Hoax in terms of entertainment. It makes me laugh just thinking about it. OK.... at the risk of going horribly off topic, here's Master Ken's take on "wheel chair defence." The exercise in total absurdity may serve as cathartic for progressives in need of a Biden fix:

Traitor seems to have replaced Nazi for the time being eh? Only 32 years for me but I managed to squeeze in 10 deployments. And, like other members of YOUR military, I didn't pick the countries (or missions) Canada decided to send troops to. The Government of Canada decided that and as I recall they they were duly elected by Canadian voters... GASP, just like you, assuming you're Canadian of course and I'm guessing you are by the tone and disregard for the military. So when it comes right down to it, we did those deployments where you told us to do them and did what you told us to do while there... and BTW, your "cowardly taking a knee" comment made me realize that I can't recall seeing your A$$ on any of them.

I noticed that too, maybe it's: "because there can be no intelligent discussion with a recording: it doesn't change regardless of any input from the reality, no matter what is fed into it it produces the same tone. That theoretically eliminates any logical point of trying to talk to it. Proven, mathematically: no difference." Or so I hear...

It's fine... actually you illustrated the point I was trying to make with myata about the bumpy road ahead for progressives. They did this to themselves IMO and the polarization they created is likely to eat their lunch. I agree with your characterization and think walking back the previous arrogance and venom is going to be a tough sell for them... it will take time (lots of it maybe) for any pivot toward moderation to be accepted as sincere. I just strung together a few quotes because he said I wasn't paying attention, your content and timing was perfect and my discussion with him is concluded. Cheers

LOL... point closed indeed. I'll leave you to it. Here's a final thought on the next four years:

Not vast but it exists, it's biologically based and there's an anthropological reason for it. The danger is engaging in tribal warfare over science based biological differences in a way that trivializes the science itself. You end up fighting science with social narrative and I think it's a difficult tactic to prevail with. I'm not going to write a book that you won't bother reading so here's a quick video summation. Even if you don't like the players here try and separate science / narrative and take it for what it's worth. Lots more on line so I'll leave you to your own homework: As an aside, here's where I think the gender "war" is headed. It will either become more respectful / diplomatic or it will get crushed... see the link below. I've framed this idea in a variety of ways on a variety of threads, I think it applies to several topical areas and the danger (in terms of what I'll call " progressive movements" for lack of a better word) is in getting aggressive and creating more enemies than friends by virtue of it. If you are converting supporters who wished you well into opponents it might be time for a "quality assurance" check. If I were a progressive tactician I'd be concerned about polling and election results to the point that I'd be modifying tactics right now. I think the need for that pivot is becoming increasingly apparent to thoughtful activists now. A simple shift to advocating for peaceful coexistence without shoving an aggressive agenda down the throats of others is the best path ahead IMO, but proceed as you see fit. There is some tactical wisdom in the article below IMO and I'll leave you with it... I'll also suggest that just because Doggie, Roboduh and Herb support your ideas doesn't make them assets... they're actually hurting the cause. I see no sense in circling the buoy any further so I'll leave you to it... cheers. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/adam-zivo-prominent-trans-activist-calls-for-change

Your question runs east and west (left and right if you will) on rails of steel. It was the reason I was probing the parameters a bit, after doing that I now believe you're right. The answer is no and it reverberates in both directions. The polarization seems to be entrenched and those afflicted revel in it.

As you typed that you surely must have seen the irony in it... no? It's exactly what your political rivals right here have been saying for the last 4 years (longer in Canada). I get that you get that... I just think it's been far more damaging than you think and people are ready to put up with things they might not otherwise have condoned in order to crush it. Some here (actually most I'd say) are enjoying your discomfort and would label it just desserts... they want this to smart a bit and they're happy to spray the wound with alcohol "for your own good." It's become a big seesaw IMO and it's now your turn to await your turn again... that's how many will see it. IMO, the polarization that created this mindset was politically expedient at the time, but highly divisive. It's not going away anytime soon. OOOps ... no time to unpack the rest, have to run

Well, that's because he was.... Logically, "you people" is assumed to apply to an identifiable group and it's usually accompanied with a critical (often condescending) tone, which is exactly how you intended your own iteration of it to be received IMO.

Yet the capacity of the bucket was a catalyst for the very changes you oppose. So let me ask you this, I have to run so it will be brief: - Well before the bucket began to overflow (even if you measured its contents by the rhetoric right here) didn't you think it was time to pull back from the brink? And if so, how do you account for the Democrats reluctance to throw wild eyed activist progressives into their own life raft and set them adrift? The reason I ask is simple enough, the problems created aren't that hard to fix (they're time consuming and expensive to be sure though) and people are going to notice immediate results. I predict they'll feel safer (whether they are or not) and they'll look around and compare what they see out the kitchen window now with the pictures they took last week. They may not want to go back. I don't want to put words in your mouth but I think you may be minimizing the effect that stratospheric levels of absurdity have had and the effect (causal or not) those machinations will have on future voting trends. Even if Trump is only moderately successful, the appetite to return to (what I would call) the years of madness will be dampened in direct proportion to the results he achieves. If I were a progressive, I'd immediately pivot to and Do you really think that the people you routinely spar with here are opposed to the quoted ideas in principle? As I see it, they're core values, core sentiments, and the humanity they reflect have been AWOL for years. Doggieman, Roboduh and Herb need their own life raft. They're thirsty brutes and the solar still in your raft clearly can't keep up with their demands.

This whole Trump thing seems to have had an effect. You’re now framing shared objectives in a manner in which reasonable people can engage with them... that's new IMO. On the “all things gender” front the conversation has swung to kindness, compassion, tolerance and concern for the rights of neighbours who’s values you don’t even share. I would call this an old school liberal philosophy and it is nothing akin to progressive thinking at all. Not even close. Progressives were building an unholy alliance between government, security services (including intelligence), and media. You could see the effect of that on a number of fronts but my favs were when people clapped as their neighbours were fired under vaccine mandates and the absolute horror show of the emergencies act here at home. Even if you dispute that aspect of the equation there’s no disputing the polarization, meanness, and lack of politeness on this very forum. What do you think spawned that? There’s more to the Trump thing than this of course, but it’s not superficial either. Putting economic issues aside for the moment, you lost me with the arrogance of drag queen story time for tots, branding concerned parents who objected to it as domestic terrorists, engaging a weaponized FBI to investigate them, and vilifying them with state aligned media. In your train example it was the decades long environmental and gender equity impact studies that delayed it… the number of criminal illegals stabbing random passengers and the safety implications of DEI hiring for staff once the damn thing was built. I see this shift in progressives (personally at least) as being pretty profound, it’s completely at odds with what was on the table a scant few months ago, and for that reason I don’t believe there’s been a change of heart at all. Suing communities who won’t fly your flag, cutting advanced math classes because they’re racist, running a secretive school referral process in the name of gender care etc, etc just isn’t going to fly anymore... I think that era is over and I applaud its absence. As you begin to approach all of this in a rational and thoughtful manner you have a new problem though, based on previous experience, no one believes you. No one trusts your motives and to paraphrase what Eyeball wisely asked (above)... does it look like the people now in control give a sh*t?

If you can promote "medical waste" to the status of "fetus" in a single bound then logically, going from fetus to viable baby (in the case of a late term abortion) should be relatively easy.

Have you noticed that "you people" is now being used in a pejorative sense by the very folks who cheered when Don got fired? Ironically, your response brilliantly illustrates the very point I was making. There's a wise saying (might be an African proverb I don't remember) that says: "Wrong done and injustice inflicted is paid back in the same coin" I predict you'll collect a full purse... I think the same level of courtesy, respect and thoughtful consideration "you people" extended to your political rivals will be reflected right back at you. What you now see on this forum is but a mirror image of the past four years.... POOF your left hand has suddenly become your right in a mirror "you people" designed and created. And, as if that doesn't bode badly enough for you as it is, Doggie-boy, Herb and Robodah are busy mass producing more mirrors for your cause.