Goddess

This is not the first time you've shown your absolute hatred of Jews. First they were all future criminals and now they're all sick. Hmmm....I wonder where this comes from?

I guess the difference is that I don't view this as a "game".

I'm not here to "play" any of your games.

Just sayin'.......

This is one of the problems that I see. What's considered "moderate" in Islam would be considered "extreme" in any other religion or culture. A Muslim man who believes his wife should never leave the house without a blanket over her head - is that moderate or extreme? When Muslims do it, it's considered moderate, part of their charming culture. If anyone else had that rule, it would be considered extreme. For some reason with this religion, they get a "pass" on a lot of things that most of us would consider extreme, just because they claim it's the religion or culture.

Interesting.

Wow. Really? I hope you come back soon. I enjoy your posts, even when I don't agree with them.

1. I agree with this - in general. I think both genders contribute to society, though. When you're 85, and pissing your pants several times a day, you'll be more grateful for the 50 year woman who spent her whole life tending children and aging parents and in-laws, who now changes your diapers and does it in a way that allows you to keep your dignity. 2. I don't really agree with this part, though. "Many" women in traditionally male dominated roles took those roles under pressure? No. "Many" got here because they worked damn hard for it, just like a man. I don't know if you would consider the software industry a "traditionally male role" or not, but the majority of the company I work for is female - by a ratio of 3 to 1.

Saw this yesterday:

I realize it's the process of reform - I've read a lot about the civil rights movement in the US. No reform happens without growing pains. That's not the same as the attitude that it's not working or doesn't count. The civil rights movement was a bit different though.....the majority of blacks WANTED reform. And many white people worked with them to make that happen. I dont' see a lot of Muslims WANTING reform. And those that do are shouted down by the majority and others wanting to help them introduce reforms are shouted down and called Islamophobes.

I agree with this except very few Muslims want or think Islam is in need of reform. Look at all the death threats reformers get from fellow Muslims. Hirsi is just one example.

What I don't understand is how a person can see that a religion is male-centric (aren't they all, really?) and still deny that that worldview affects how they relate with females inside and outside of their families.

Unless you're using it to inflame hatred against aboriginals......

It's an excellent question.

I suspect that pretty much any study that showed a higher rate of violence amongst Muslims could be used to "inflame hatred". Conversely, it could also be used to come up with a plan to lower that rate. But that will never happen if we can't first admit there is a problem. Frankly, it's not just Islam. Any religion that teaches and inculcates from a very young age that women are lesser human beings will have a higher rate of violence against women.

I do think it is difficult to put a finger on this type of violence. As some point out, violence against women occurs in every society, religion and culture. The individual family, the culture, the religion, the community they are a part of - how can you tell what motivates this violence? In any one case, there could be multiple causes. There are always multiple systems of power at play simultaneously, not simply adding to each other, but also reinforcing and sustaining each other.

I read a research report from the UK that said Muslim women are 8X more likely to be victims of domestic violence. (I will try to find the info again, I don't have it in front of me at the moment.) If that is correct, then I think we can assume they are violent towards all women because of their beliefs about women. Yes, I know not all of them have those views, but I do believe there is a higher incidence of it amongst Muslim men and that it's because they grow up believing women are property, must be covered at all times and that their own masculinity is entwined with the behaviour of their women, daughters, sisters, etc. Thus, honour killings.

If we're going to keep stats , then let's keep stats on everyone. What are the stats on Muslims in Canada who commit hate crimes against women, gays and Jews? The Muslim that assaulted me did it because I am a woman who dared to tell him No, he couldn't show up 4 hours late for a doc appt and expect to be put in. Stats-wise, I'm sure that shows up as a simple assault, but it wasn't. And I'm sure it wasn't recorded as an assault by a Muslim or a hate crime perpetrated by a Muslim.

I really wish you knew how to read.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/sask-ranchers-stunned-beaver-1.4073018 They apparently make excellent ranchers, as well.

She has no problem with Khar or his horrible family, but wants someone who insulted a Muslim thrown in jail for life. ??

Do you even read what you write? A koran is just a book, too. It might be "holy" to you, but to lots of us...it's just another book. Terrorizing people because of their flag is not another matter, as you suggest. But you seem to have no problem with terrorists or terrorizing, as long as it terrorizes the people you want it to, such as those who insult Islam.

Too bad they prefer Mexicans and Chinese over Canadians.....