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We don't know what the next pandemic will be. As I said, I'm sure it will be easier to make people stay in their homes if the disease has a 30% fatality rate. Again related to the OP, we'll no doubt see a spike of COVID and other respiratory illness as we enter the Cold season. We should reject all attempts to force people to mask or reduce access to public spaces. COVID is a known quantity now.

I concede to that. Then again the premise of the thread is asking "Should we comply to any further restrictions". I would say NO! with luxury of hindsight, of course. I would say many of the restrictions did more damage than good.

I think, in hindsight, that was the complication with COVID. Not enough people experienced the dire version of the virus for enough people to actually fear it. During the Spring of 2021, when Ontario passed a Stay-at-Home order and there were reports of healthy people in their 40s and 50s dying, I was pretty freaked out by it. But that's about when the vaccine was coming online and uptake was pretty good. But an analysis of the numbers indicate that young and healthy people, by and large, never should have feared dire consequences from the virus.

And I was one that supported the measures at the time, with those same talking points. But there were other places that weren't as strict as parts of Canada and were there true incidents of otherwise healthy people dying being of a rush of COVID patients? And a rationing of care? We don't really talk about that much anymore. Sweden was the poster child for this. But now, after the pandemic, they fall way down the list for per capita deaths. Many other countries that had more restrictions had more death. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

That was the fear peddled at the time. And I was down too with that talking point. It made logical sense. But, in hindsight, it was a level of social overreach that I'm not comfortable with. If one determines that modest social methods like masks and capacity limits can drastically reduce the cost to the healthcare system, what's to stop governments from just making that the status quo? A year ago, we saw pediatric hospitals overwhelmed. Not by COVID, but RSV and the common cold making a comeback because children has spent the previous 2 years being locked in their homes. The #bringbackmasks movement was strong. Governments held off, thank God. I suspect we'll see more of it this fall when respiratory infectsion, no doubt, climb as the weather cools. I hope it only comes from the fringe.

We know the Lockdowns worked. But they came at an extraordinary cost. - Stunting Children's Education - Dividing families based on feelings of the rules - Up-ending our Economy by essentially killing the Hospitality sector and propping up different sectors. That's the main reason we have an inflation problem right now. Was it worth it, when we find out that vast majority of those that died were prone to dying from a variety of other things anyway.

Perhaps, but it created a whole litany of other problems.

You'd have a more compelling case if you didn't refer to that doddering old man. ? Here's a MSM Article. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/oregon-and-utah-announce-mandated-gps-trackers-in-electric-vehicles-to-tax-drivers-per-mile-driven/ar-AA1fsvR8 In Utah they'd charge 1¢ a mile. So if you drove 20,000 miles a year, you may have to pay $200 a year. It's not nothing, but it certainly doesn't erase the savings from being able to charge your car at home. I suspect Insurance Companies will mandate GPS trackers for all cars long before tracking EV drivers to get a few hundy a year being common place. Many insurance companies incentivize customers now by installing a GPS tracker or having an app that gauges how you drive and "can" give you a discount for safe driving. We all know that will eventually turn into a mandatory system where they know the true risk of insuring you by mileage and driving style.

If the death rate was like 30% like in the movie Contagion, or made you bleed from your face like in the movie Outbreak, you wouldn't need to pass laws to make people stay at home. That's the thing about COVID. As a Novel virus, it made a lot of people very sick and "culled" a lot of people that were already old, sick or disabled. But very few young healthy people died from COVID. So making people comply with public safety measures became, and to some extent still is, a morality play about protecting the vulnerable. It would be insightful to have an objective analysis done to determine how close were hospitals from collapsing really?

If, heaven forbid, they brought back mask mandates for public indoor places. I'd comply simply to not be "that guy". No one likes that guy. I don't think that'll ever happen because the absurdity of mask mandates without some sort of capacity limit or social distancing is pretty evident to most people. It wasn't the masks that brought down COVID infections during waves, it was the fact that governments closed everything! I don't think they'll ever go back to making children wear masks, that seemed rather cruel. I most certainly will never comply with government's telling people how many people can be in a person's home again. That did more damage than good. . . in hindsight of course.

I am pretty sure the land DoFo and Co. took from the Greenbelt were not going to high density real estate, which is something the province desperately needs.

Which states? And what charge?

The Eff is that? Too hard to post a link?

Per Capita, Canada's emissions are three times that of China. Higher than the US to. That's why we should be encouraged to reduce emissions. https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/ # Country CO2 Emissions per capita (tons) CO2 Emissions (tons, 2016) Population (2016) 1 China 7.44 10,432,751,400 1,401,889,681 2 United States 15.32 5,011,686,600 327,210,198 3 India 1.89 2,533,638,100 1,338,636,340 4 Russia 11.45 1,661,899,300 145,109,157 5 Japan 9.76 1,239,592,060 126,993,857 6 Germany 9.42 775,752,190 82,331,423 7 Canada 18.72 675,918,610 36,113,532 8 Iran 7.71 642,560,030 83,306,231

If you take a look at Twitter, there definitely seems to be a faction of people that still think COVID is an existential threat. It's amusing to see people that seem to think that wearing a mask in public is a form of public service and those that don't hate the disabled. But they're the fringe now. No one, even mainstream liberals, are talking about returning to COVID restrictions.

This thread is click bait.

This thread looks silly right now.

Follow-up. They are going ban Gambling advertising with celebrities. https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-banning-online-gambling-commercials-featuring-athletes-and-celebrities-1.6539223

No. But for Electricity generation they've mostly cut out coal and Natural Gas is a far cleaner fossil fuel. These countries also use lots of Nuclear and Hydro.

BRICS is G8 for the Fascist friendly?

Are you comparing discrimination like this to Peterson's pontifications? It's not a one-fits-all scenario. I did mention, however that religious institutions most certainly make someone's views and conduct contingent to employment. Should a religious institution be forced to employ someone who has beliefs contrary to their core values? I've seen churches fire married staff for affairs. Perhaps fat-shaming is not a core value of psychologists. This is not, in any way, comparable to what's happening to Peterson. But a business could have such a code of conduct. It's not illegal, AFIK.

I'm assuming this is the question you're asking. There's a difference between what people do outside of work and what people are willing to publish on social media. I would stand by a business not wanting to do business with someone based on what they put forward on Social Media, especially if that contravene's the companies core values.

So where's this panacea nation where people can say whatever they want and avoid repercussions? It certainly isn't the United States.

People get fired for their conduct on Social Media all the time.

Isn't that what's happening in Florida? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-teachers-start-school-year-uncertainty-new-policies-take-effec-rcna99243