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No they weren't. My kids still haven't been vaxxed for COVID. Evidence shows COVID rarely causes severe sickness in young children. They have received the Flu shot though. This thread has descended into a Vax conversation. If you really believe Vax mandates are returned, I would suggest you're as bad as the people calling for them. Fringes of both sides of this debate that relished the polarization COVID caused.

What kids were being forced to be vaccinated? Again I assume we're only discussing the COVID vaccine.

You could go to a country where you're on your own footing the bill for Healthcare. . . but you get better healthcare if you can afford it. I recently read a story of a widower given a bill for $100k+ because he was in Florida with his Cancer stricken wife and her health deteriorated and insurance declined to cover her treatment in the US. That sounds like a great system as well.

Personal experience from a drunk friend. Not particularly comparable to having a Trans kid. Your emotion on this speaks to a complete lack of perspective on this. You assume the parent cares enough to ask. If the child is dressing up like the other gender, perhaps you don't need the school's help. I still would need an actual real world example to show where a school completely hoodwinked an otherwise loving parent. I think this attitude is exactly why a child would want to keep it a secret. If the teacher was co-ordinating a gender affirming care, I would agree with you, that's not the teacher's place. But if the teacher simply calling the student a pronoun of choice, I don't see how that's "getting involved". Well I'm not a Liberal, or at least I don't vote that way. That being said, seeing the mouth-frothing hatred that seems to be coming from the Right lately, I keep moving further to left every day. Conservatives most certainly mentioned "barbaric" cultural practices in the past. Was that wrong of them? I think I told you, my opinion is that a parent should consider why a child lies before they get "angry". If being dishonest results in rage from a parent, like you're suggesting it could, that could be the very reason why a child may feel uncomfortable being honest with a parent I'm not a teacher.

How can you know that. We're talking about hypotheticals. These laws remove the reality from the situation and forces a teacher to break a confidence a child has made in them. Black and White, no Grey area. That's what I oppose. Yep just get to the Ad hominem attacks. Great way to prove you're making an intelligent point. I could see why your child wouldn't want to tell you about their truth. You make assumptions like this. Mostly because how they are treated by others. You know the type of people that protest trans rights? Keeping secrets is not lying. The fact you think wanting to go by a different pronoun is a serious medical issue tips your hand that you're the type of person that would act negatively to a child that feels they are trans. Perhaps the child actually trusts them, unlike these hypothetical parents we're debating. Well Conservatives used to like to talk about Honour killings all the time. I guess that doesn't apply here. I'm not suggesting that that's likely but it's possible. Or a parent my disown their child, throw them out of the house. Anything. We can't know because we're debating hypotheticals.

Who are "you people" do you want more tax payer money devoted to Healthcare? I think the pandemic was a relatively unique strain on the healthcare system. Last fall there were also strains because of "immunity deficit" in children and nothing was closed.

Sounds like you're pretending you're an expert. Where is your evidence that the MMR vaccine is dangerous? Because the disease it has helped eradicate certainly are. As for the COVID vaccine, it's not mandatory. It was somewhat mandatory for a period of 6-8 months in late 2021 early 2022. No one is even suggesting we're going back to that reality.

You're the one using the example of a drunk child. Do you surmise that a child who feels they are trans are in trouble and require intervention? If you feel that way, maybe that's the reason they don't want to tell you. Do you assume a child whom wants to use different pronouns will automatically want to mutilate themselves? Because the laws are focused on simply the use of different pronouns. As you've demonstrated, kids lie all the time, about a variety of issues. I would say to any parent, including myself; "look in the mirror" if your kids doesn't feel they can be honest about who they are. Don't blame teachers.

You're conflating getting drunk at a party with how a child chooses to identify themself. I think the way certain people are acting towards the idea of Trans kids in public, trans kid certainly should feel afraid of their parents. Especially if they're super religious. You're basically telling teachers to our their student. They're not committing a crime.

Is it also a legit concern that Trans kids are way more likely to commit suicide? https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-about-lgbtq-youth-suicide/

I think any parent should look in their own mirror if they create an environment where a child feels they can't confide in them and is more comfortable talking to a teacher. A solutions certainly aren't laws forcing teachers to taddle on their students.

Would you prefer Child Protective Services be called because the child is clearly afraid to tell their parents they feel they are a different gender?

That's absurd to embrace suffering to simply embrace the sanctity of life until the very last minute. I notice no one commented about my example of killing ones self quickly as opposed to, say being burned alive. Are these dogmatic principals used for that as well?

Giving someone a lethal dose of Morphine to ease a person's pain is not some new practice. https://www.mypcnow.org/fast-fact/morphine-and-hastened-death/ As an aside, Google thinks want to kill myself looking for cites on this issue ?

The proof? https://www.cdc.gov/measles/elimination.html Measles has actually been making a bit of a comeback because anti-vax lunatics thinks it gives people Autism. . . without any proof.

So you're cool with those drugs being used to prolong a life that's going to end imminently anyway, but not to end their suffering completely. You understand that using opiates to control pain is not natural either.

You understand the quibbling nature of this though don't you? Drugs to sedate someone for the rest of their natural life. . . Good! Drugs to end someone's suffering . . . Mortal Sin!

Nice to see you're pro measles.

Then God would be a sadist. For example, would it be a mortal sin to shot yourself in the head rather than burn alive. Were the people whom jump from the Twin Towers on 911 committing a mortal singe because God has decided they must either be burned alive or crushed under the weight of a building. Regardless the idea of a mercy killing being a "sin" should not play a factory in the legality of MAID.

So you're denying death by diseases like ALS or Cancer are objectively unpleasant? Speaks to my point about simply being sedated for the rest of your short life. The same drugs that are highly illegal for recreation are perfectly fine for keeping someone alive longer than, perhaps, they should be. It's weird how people of faith believe that people should live as long as possible even to subject people to medical intervention and drugs when there could be a much better existence beyond death. So present your own evidence that scores of people were pressured to end their lives early. That's a worthwhile debate. And I mentioned it in an earlier post. People who aren't terminally ill probably shouldn't look to the government to help them off themselves. But that doesn't mean MAID isn't useful to someone who is terminally ill an incapable of ending their own lives.

Be real though, regardless of how good the palliative care is, doesn't negate the fact that some people are destined for a painful and prolonged death. Why shouldn't we spare them the suffering? We do it for animals. What type of life is being sedated until you finally succumb to an illness. The same could be said for dementia, if someone has no memory of the life they once lived, how valuable really is the life they have?

I just find it it like a bait and switch that an honest debate about Pronouns often gets lumped into this. I would as you, how many instances did the person regret the treatment? Because that detail important as well. It seems you are opposed to any minor getting Gender Affirming Care.

So teachers are taking students to the doctors to get their tits cut off? Like is this something that happens all the time? It sounds like people are using fears of this to fan the flames of the pronoun debate. Because that's all these laws are focusing on, not people taking minors to get their tits cut off without parental consent.

Why? Some would call the idea of Universal Healthcare Socialism. That would include all sorts of healthcare. Again I'm not opposed to is, but it's the bulk of the costs we shoulder as a society related to healthcare costs. This is a particularly pathetic use of Godwin's Law. You say "many" provide some stats before you accuse the service as Nazi. I've already highlighted the intent of the program. If people are being euthanized without their consent, that's murder.

Can you cite this from the article? Because it states the opposite here: