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Well trying to make clear concise arguments don't work with you either.

https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-reports-526-new-covid-19-cases-no-new-deaths-for-third-day-in-a-row-1.5548705 1/5 of the cases are from fully vaccinated people. Breakthrough infections. Note that Fully vaccinated make up just shy of 2/3 of Ontarians. These numbers appear to be holding. 1/3 of Ontario is making up more than 2/3 of the new COVID cases. Vaccination works.

You probably understand all this less than most on this site. The inflated sense of self-worth is staggering. I would assume you were in your early 20's, if you hadn't claimed otherwise.

Oh so citation that refutes your claim means nothing to you? ? Just live in your bubble and pretend you're enlightened.

I agree with this. But doesn't look like it's happening anytime soon. There needs to be a standardized view on vaccinations. Many people in the world aren't as protected as we are in Canada.

Cite that anecdotal claim? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01805-2 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57636356

That's a shame. And I suspect it will change soon. If countries want tourism to return they'll have to broaden their definition of acceptable vaccination. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/covid-19-vaccine-travel-1.6122633 The bigger challenge to travel is obtaining a PCR test which costs upwards of $200 to get privately.

There are studies that indicate mixing vaccines is effective. https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/covid-19-vaccine-mixing-astrazeneca-pfizer/ I got AZ/Moderna. My immune response for the second dose was very strong.

That's highly anecdotal. Most media I consume still contends the vaccine is very effective against Delta in prevent sickness, hospitalization and death. Shame on any outlet making people less likely to want to get the vaccine.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map/vaccinations The rate of vaccination across the UK is pretty standard. This is similar to provinces across Canada. While in the US there are regions with pathetically low vaccination rates. Those states are also the ones that have, not only removed public health measure but banned them. So their national numbers are more of an average than an overview of vaccine coverage. So to make a finer point here. I do believe this "wave" will be similar to the UK in terms of Hospitalizations and major sickness. I think we agree on a lot of that. Ultimately we're having a hypothetical argument on what to do if Hospitalization does become an issue again. In Ontario those stats are being measured and reported daily, so we can see who's driving the infection. Which is good. I think Vaccine passports will have to happen, because dividing people by their chances of getting sick is fraught with issues.

I believe this is the study cited. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.05.21260050v3

Sure. But they also want a standardized way of proving vaccine. They know the unvaccinated only make up a fringe of the population.

Are you claiming they're lying? That's not a study BTW. That's anecdotal. It's also just stating that some of the symptoms are different. Not less severe.

Many private businesses in the US have already mandated vaccination. Ditto with Universities. All before any political body has mandated them.

Cite where I "chirped" about national rates. And you've disregarded stats showing that younger people are making up a larger percentage of cases with anecdotes about old people being locked in their homes. The truth is unvaccinated people make up a fraction of the population but they still contribute overwhelmingly to the case count. If Hospitalization rises, it'll be the unvaccinated that will take the blame. Even if they're 20-year-old healthy people. It's those people that are contributing to the spread.

And we will again when/if Hospitalizations spike. BTW Private Business is already way out ahead on this. https://www.680news.com/2021/08/09/ontario-vaccine-passport-doug-ford/

National numbers don't mean anything if there are regions with high vaccination rates and regions with low vaccinations rates. The national numbers are just averages. For example a state like New York has a pretty high vaccination rate, they're not seeing much of an issue. While Southern states are seeing Hospitals overwhelmed.

They're citing studies. Cite your studies that it's just the common cold. Downplaying the virus is exactly what the Right-Wing did early in the virus and it's causes so much death in the US already. I don't expect most people who are young an healthy will get very sick either, but some will so everyone should protect themselves. The US is seeing a "legit" wave in low vaccinated states because they've downplayed the virus and played up the risks of the vaccine.

It's good that Ontario is publishing these vaccination stats. https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-reports-510-new-covid-19-cases-4-new-deaths-1.5545809 Unvaccinated people represent less than 1/3 of the Ontario population yet they represent well north of 2/3 of the cases. Of the people in ICUs all but 3 are either unvaccinated or have an unknown vaccine status. That's pretty solid evidence the vaccine works.

Obesity is rampant in the US. Should the obese be forced to get vaccinated?

Did I not just cite the CDC that said there are studies that say it is more severe?

And a higher vaccination rate nationally.

It's quite creative how you easily accept that Delta is way more transmissible but reject that it could cause more severe illness or death. From the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html The vaccine is still a net benefit in reducing transmission. So are masks BTW.