WestCanMan

First of all, you're quoting stats from 4 years ago up until 2 years ago, and Fentanyl deaths haven't been dropping. They've been going up. You do know that the C19 stats are all from 2020, right? Secondly, I said that "in BC more people died from Fentanyl" and it's true. Less than 600 people died of C19 here this year. I don't know the Fentanyl numbers for this year, but there were 995 Fentanyl deaths here last year and the number keeps going up. In our worst month ever for Covid in BC so far there were less than the 170 Fentanyl deaths we had that month. And re: the Canada-wide stats, even if C19 is a bit higher, sorry but when 20 yr olds die I call that a huge tragedy. The death of an 85 yr old with co-morbidities is sad but no one is calling that a tragedy. Think of a 22 yr old you love, and think of an 85 yr old you love. If you only had the budget to save one of them, which one would you rather keep alive? Would one of them would say "Take my life first, gladly....", and if so, who would that be? From Jan to March of this year 1,018 people died from Fentanyl in Canada. I don't have access to stats after that, but we're spending 300B to fight C19 and how much to fight Fentanyl deaths? Exactly.

1) Biden has a good Swine Flu quote. Wow. Let's have a parade lol. What else did he do???????????? Cue the Crickets....... 2) Did you read the red part? Why did you go on prattling about Trump just after you breezed past the part about Obama saying "Party on Garth!!!" Do you see the glaring hypocrisy there? Do yo see the hypocrisy of saying "Trump did nothng" after he shut down the economy, blocked travel from several countries, etc? WTF did Obama do again, exactly, when all those children were being killed by swine flu????? Cue those crickets again......

You are lying again. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-dr-tams-about-face-on-masks-damages-trust-at-a-crucial-time/ Canada's position on masks until April was that 'masks weren't beneficial'. Here's Trudeau on May 20th telling Canadians that he has just started wearing a mask https://globalnews.ca/video/6963865/coronavirus-outbreak-trudeau-explains-his-personal-mask-wearing-policy/ I said that Trump was mask neutral. He never recommended against the wearing of masks, unlike our government. So you're admitting that I'm smarter than the 'experts' then? Thanks Beave. I think you're finally onto something. All lies and BS. 1) Trump never spoke out against masks to the degree that our gov't did, 2) the people who spoke out against social distancing were people like DeBlasio, who was out telling people to ride the subway and eat in restaurants like usual long after the travel bans were initiated by Trump, and Pelosi who made a point of showing herself in the midst of a massive gathering of people in Chinatown as late as Feb 24. 3) the first 'superspreader events' to occur after social distancing guidelins were put in place were riots, which were encouraged by Dems only. 4) the Swine Flu outbreak under Obama and Biden ended "like a miracle" as all flu outbreaks do. It had literally nothing to do with anything that Obama/Biden did. That's how flus go. It could just be that C19 would have run it's course by now if we didn't get social-distancing and mask crazy. I don't blame you for not understanding this complex issue. Here's a breakdown for you: 1) At the beginning of this debacle, we were shown pictures of Chinese people laying dead in the street, so the severity of it was quite overblown, and we had no way of knowing that C19 was only killing people who were very near death already. 2) Some of the most deadly viruses of the past targeted young, healthy people moreso than older people. The Spanish Flu for example killed pregnant women and 28 yr olds. The Swine Flu under Obama killed a lot of children. There was good reason to believe that C19 could kill healthy people, and our society can't function when healthy people can't go outside because there's good reason to believe that they will die. 3) At the very beginning of this viral outbreak, there was a chance to keep C19 from getting a firm foothold in our country. Countries like Japan did that very effectively, and anyone who understands the meaning of old maxims like "A stitch in time saves nine" and "avoid it like the plague" understands exactly why our initial response to fighting the virus was crucial. You don't, and I understand that, but hopefully by the time you have read this post in it's entirety you'll have somewhat of an epiphany. 4) If you look back at our initial C19 response, you have to admit that our gov't seemingly did literally everything in their power to ensure that our entire country was infected. IE, we allowed C19 flights to pour in, we didn't screen, we didn't enforce quarantines, people from covid hotspots walked every inch of our country with no restrictions whatsoever until it was far too late to stay ahead of the curveIn short, IT WAS AN ABYSMAL FAILURE. 5) C19 has turned into an overblown nothingburger from the POV that we now know that healthy people aren't at risk. We only have to protect a relatively small minority of our population from C19, and a very high majority of them aren't in the workforce or going to schools. The damage that is being done to our country from lockdowns is now outweighing the damage that's being done to 85+ yr olds with co-morbidities. Eg, Fentanyl was still killing more people in BC than C19 was at the very height of the 'pandemic'. This is not the massive health crisis that it's being made out to be. I personally don't know anyone who knows anyone who was really sick with C19, let along anyone who died. I know that the secretary in the school by our house had a son in his early 20s who died from Fentanyl, a guy I played ball with had a son who nearly died from it, I have another friend from ball whose best friend was one of 3 people who did some cocaine together and she died, they were fine. I know quite a few other people who have a Fentanyl story, and they're all tragic. I don't consider it the same type of tragedy when an 85 yr old dies in February instead of March. In short, there are far more deaths from Fentanyl than covid, and pretty much every Fentanyl death is an extreme tragedy. A small minimum of C19 deaths are a 'tragedy', and like I said, there aren't as many. Our country is going $300B into debt to fight C19 and we're doing almost nothing to fight C19. Get it? And Fentanyl is just one thing, there are plenty of other 'things'.

Obama and Biden did nothing, and where does it say anywhere that their program was successful? 61M people were infected. 2000 kids died. That's not a success, is it Cannucklehead....

If you meet Obama/Biden why don't you ask them why they never lifted a finger when Swine Flu came to America....? 61M people in the US were infected with swine flu and almost 2,000 children died from it while the Duhnamic duo did bupkis. When you consider that the mortality stats for covid deaths are right around the avg life expectancy for the people who died from it, it really isn't that much of an actual health risk.

FYI I knew it was idiotic the second the WHO came out with it and that’s documented here dozens of time Beave. Trump and his team also knew better than to tell people not to wear masks. FYI Beave the whole point of electing a leader is to pick someone smart enough to make the right choices. Not someone dumb enough to make catastrophic decisions like Trudeau did. We could have elected anyone to just go out there and learn from their mistakes. Fact is there was literally no room to elect anyone worse than Trudeau. And FYI flu season always goes away in summer. It’s normal. Not magic. When Obama was Potus they did literally nothing at all to slow the spread of swine flu. It was a huge debacle and they were just lucky that there weren’t millions of deaths. If Trump treated Covid like Obama treated Swine Flu you actually would see millions of deaths. Trump shut down travel when there were about 10 deaths. He ahut down the greatest economy the US ever had when there were less than 100 deaths. You should be thankful that Trump was POTUS, not Obama, or millions of Americans would be dead. Class dismissed. Next time you post I expect to see some more understanding of Trump, Trudeau and Covid.

The vaccine paradoxes... 1)The people who pre-emptively detest anything associated with Trump will be fighting to get the Warp Speed vaccine as fast as possible. The people who are pro-Trump will be fighting not to take it. 2)The people who thought that HCQ was deadlier than a tabun/sarin/soman cocktail just because Trump talked about it, despite the fact that it has been given to tens of millions of people over more than half a century and the side-effects were proven beyond a shadow of doubt, suddenly think that a hastily-created Trump vaccine with a bare minimum of trials is worth the risk to avoid a virus that doesn't pose even the slightest risk to their health. "I DON'T TRUST HCQ BECAUSE TRUMP TALKED ABOUT IT!!!!!! IT'S GOTTA BE DANGEROUS!!!!!!!!!!! I'll take his hastily-created vaccine though...." LMAO. Personally it will take the threat of ostracization/death to get me to take the vaccine, and I'll pay my Dr to fake my vaccination if that's what I need to do to get out of it. If my wife was pregnant and didn't want to take the vaccine I'd literally fight to the death to prevent it. Re: the praise if it is a success, vs the blame if it's a disaster..... Trump did cut corners to get this done so it will be largely his fault if it has nasty side-effects, or if it's a failure in the long run for whatever reason. If it's a success I guess that he should get a lot of credit, but TBH, I don't really care about a vaccine that helps 85 yr olds with co-morbidities live 3 months longer. I might care if I'm in that boat at 85 but I will never say that it was worth all the economic damage caused by the shutdowns.

Comparing Hillary's situation to Trump's is actually really stupid. In 2016 it was Hillary who was the 3-time election cheater, not Trump. She lost fair and square, so on what grounds would you suggest that she should have opted to not concede? She just needed to cheat one more time to get her across the finish line? The only reason that Dems had to believe that they should have won was the fake polling data before the election, which was probably just another example of fraud. In 2020 the Dems actually did cheat, quite a lot. The AG doesn't think that they can prove that 'the level of fraud was enough to tip the scales in favour of Biden', but the level of fraud was still extremely serious. Even 10% of Dem voters think that the election was fraudulent, and it's pretty bad when even they will admit to it. It's not just a small % of Americans who think the election was a farce. It's around 40%. Do the math... out of 300M Americans that's 120M people who think the election was a fraud. Your assertion that America should just let this rankle and fester with 120M people for 4 years is stupid.

Repeat it as many times as you want, it's still incredibly stupid. For 45 days our village idiot did absolutely nothing. IE, at the very beginning of the outbreak, when countries like Japan were getting out ahead of C19, our PM did nothing and he also advised Canadians not to take the most basic precautions. Do you understand the difference between spreading C19 far and wide at the outset, vs curtailing the spread of it? Do you understand the difference between going on CBC this morning and telling everyone not to wear masks, vs at least just keeping his idiotic mouth shut? Lots of people could learn from that last part.

I think we'll see plenty of Americans denying that Biden is the President lol. Just wait 'til his executive order regarding mandatory masks comes out. That's basically an open invitation for Americans to thumb their noses at him.

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You're correct to say that those things never happened, with the exception of the part about Hillary Clinton lol. She had a new excuse for losing every week and she even wrote a book about about it, where she names Putin and and WikiLeaks as being partly to blame for her loss The 2016 election had nowhere near the level of fraud that 2020 had. The bulk of the 2016 election fraud came in the form of the Russian collusion witch hunt. And need I remind you that the only person caught cheating in the 2016 election was Hillary, twice? This is a term that applies to Russian collusion, Blasey-Ford, "Trump called soldiers losers", and almost every other story that sucked in CNN's idiot fanbase, but it doesn't apply to a case with hundreds of pages of sworn affidavits, the sworn court testimony of dozens of people, at least one vote-counting machine that was found to be registering thousands of Trump votes as Biden votes, and all the proven instances where GOP poll scrutineers were being blocked from doing their jobs, etc. You'd literally have to be on crack or be 100% retarded to think that this case was 'evidence-free' lol. Especially when the accusations from your side of the aisle almost always come without any evidence whatsoever.

US nationals in China were allowed to come back. Trump couldn't block them even if he wanted to, and no one even said that he wanted to. People who were in China within 14 days weren't allowed to fly to the US. He expanded the travel restrictions to other European countries when their C19 got crazy. I've been 100% correct about everything I said re: covid going all the way back to January. The truth about C19 is that Japan rocked it - travel bans and masks from the beginning. Their gov't even issued two masks per household. Trump was in the middle. Slower to ban travel, neutral on masks, but he at least had the brains to completely disregard the WHO. Trudeau was at the extreme bottom of the barrel. The WHO said 'put out that fire with gasoline' and Trudeau is so stupid that he regurgitated it verbatim, period. A week after Trudeau finally took his very first real action (45 days behind Trump) our country was so far behind the 8 ball that thousands of people died within two months (over 5K) and we had to shut down almost everything. 1 week after Trudeau finally got off his ass our outdoor provincial parks in BC were even closed. I don't give a rip about your snotty little insults or your disinformation Beave. Everyone here has access to all the facts. If you want to dispute them I'll provide you with links.

Just the fact that Trump didn't regurgitate the WHO's idiocy of "Don't block travel and don't wear masks" was a massive improvement over Trudeau's response to C19. There's literally no room to debate that, at all. Conventional wisdon right now is that the WHO/Trudeau were 100% wrong. Trump didnt follow either of the WHO's directives. /lesson. If you don't understand this now, you never will.

This is totally laughable. Trudeau is actually guilty of several ethics breaches now. Trump took actual decisive, recorded actions against C19. Several, including getting vaccine trials started. Trudeau actually did nothing until March 16th, aside from give the worst advice possible (don't wear masks). Then he didn't even finalize a vaccine order until a few days ago. Your failure to understand travel restrictions is duly noted. LMAO. Given the accuracy of all your other observations and opinions, this is a ringing endorsement of my brilliance.

FYI, neither of your comments make any sense Boges.

Wrong. He's had several scandals in just 5 years as PM. FYI that = scandal-plagued. Fact. Not opinion, at all. He's definitely a fool. His pandemic response was completely idiotic, and his main job as PM is to protect Canadians. The fact that he let covid get such a firm foothold here by his disastrous decisions is why we had so many deaths early on and so much continuing economic hardship. It's what proves that he's a fool. This isn't like the US where the POTUS was locking the country down while the Dem mayors and Governors were trying to convince people to engage in the riskiest behaviours possible. Our provinces and mayors have been on board with fighting covid since the very beginning, even over-reactive sometimes. Provincial parks in BC were shut down just after the airports closed. You might not think that Trudeau's not a fool, because you weren't aware that blocking infected travellers was important and you didn't know that masks were important, but people who are smart knew that he was being dumb while he was actually doing it. It's just a fact that you don't want to acknowledge. FYI you just made a declarative statement about my intelligence which implies that it's a matter of fact and not merely an opinion. How can you make the case that anyone is actually a dummy if the matter of whether or not they're dumb is merely the opinion of the claimant and not an actual fact? Do people have to confess to being stupid in order to be called stupid in your world? FYI there are things called IQ tests which are an attempt to quantify the level of a person's intelligence, but there's also blatant evidence of people's intelligence level which can be spotted by people who actually have intelligence. Again, I realize that you're not aware of how low Trudeau's intelligence for the same reason that you don't know what the top of Shaq's head looks like. I actually am well aware of Trudeau's lack of intelligence, you just have to take my word for it. Right. She said that he groped her non-sexually. LMAO. The evidence of brainlessness here is your assertion that Trump's boob-grabbing is as serious as Clinton's biting women and forcing his penis into them. That's unfathomable. You're just way out to lunch. There's a reason why no one ever took the stand and 'swore' that they saw Trump colluding or testified to any direct evidence of collusion, just like there's a reason why there are hundreds of pages of affidavits and people who swore under oath in courts of law that they witnessed election fraud. You can't make that distinction within your head because you're emotionally invested in one story and dead against the other. You see what you want to see, nothing of a factual nature can make a dent in your opinion. Have fun with that Beave, but your opinion is utterly worthless again, as usual.

Hillary has been completely exonerated by the MSM, just like Trudeau was for the We scandal. It's actually hard for judges and prosecutors to work against the full, combined force of the MSM. Especially when they have terrorist groups like Antifa and BLM on their side who can kill folks with impunity ("the protests were mainly peaceful" and "Antifa doesn't exist" lol) The greatest threat that our countries face is the control that the Demonrats and Libelars have over our MSM. Aside from the fact that you obviously don't understand how and why policing is one of the cornerstones of a complex society, your post shows that you have a pathetic disregard/complete lack of empathy for other people. That last part is thread drift but it needed to be said.

Go look up "substantiated" Bubber. Big words aren't your friend. I'll give you kudos, that was actually pretty funny. The idea that B-F was telling the truth is absurd. She was caught lying about things like 1) "I didn't know that the GOP offered to bring a lie detector out to where I was so that I wouldn't have to fly in" - even I knew about that offer before she flew out and I live in a different country, and I was not in contact with her lawyers who would have also known. 2) She didn't have a phobia of flying, which she claimed to have gotten as a result of the "horrific incident", because she has a history of flying for recreational purposes. 3) She didn't have a fear of going into places with only door because she lived in places that only have 1 door for decades. 4) Not one single person that she knows has ever even heard about 'the horrific incident'. No one comes out with a confession like that on the national stage. Her accusation fits the exact pattern of all the other major Dem accusations of the last 4 years - they can't be proven to be perjury because they're so vague that it's impossible to mount an actual defence. 1) Blasey - Ford: "I was almost raped in about '86 or '87 somehwere within 3 miles of my house." 2) "Trump hired hookers to pee on a bed that Obama once slept in , and he asked the Russians to put $100K worth of ads on FB to win the election for him at some point in 2015 . We just couldn't find video of it." How can Trump ever prove this is false unless he provides video evidence of every word that he said from 2014 to 2017? 3) E Jean Caroll "I was raped in about '95 or '96." Anonymous source stories don't stack up when they're discredited by eye-witnesses who are willing to speak on the record. You just don't know how reality works. I expected him to be an utter failure, and the word utter was surpassed by orders of magnitude. What numbers skyrocketed? Covid deaths, the record for ethics breaches by the elected leader of an entire nation (including banana republics), business bankruptcies, or the federal deficit? Biden's a kid-sniffing influence-peddler with dementia. I have oodles of incontrovertible evidence of each one of those claims in case you're not up to speed. They had the fact that she was guilty of gross negligence in the transmission and storage of classified information. That's the report that was filed by the FBI, and it's a felony. Comey changed the words 'grossly negligent' to a synonym which was identical in seriousness but didn't match with the exact legal terminology used to describe the crime which she was guilty of, and she bumped her head so all she could say when she was talking to the FBI was "I don't remember anything at all, I only have my campaign-related memories so that I can talk to the media and go on the debate stage and stuff like that". She also deleted thousands of emails after they were subpoenaed. That right there is a crime all on it's own. Her husband also had a completely random encounter with the AG on a tarmac the weekend before her final court date. There are literally thousands of airports in the USA, and for some reason they were both re-fuelling their planes just one state away from the west coast. (how short is the range of their planes that they had to stop in Arizona???? That's not actually a thing) Instead of reporting on the grand fluke of how their itineraries crossed paths on that one day of all days, in the least likely of all states for refuelling a plane, we're told that they just talked about their grandkids (Bill still doesn't have any). Glad you're back Bubber. It's always fun seeing what you post.

LOL, your bug-eyed rant was the perfect representation of leftists in general. See, this is a perfect example of your poor reading comprehension (which is literally your only excuse for the ridiculous CNN drivel that you regurgitate here). If you go back and look, I didn't say that everything on that list was 'debunked', I said that it was "debunked or proven to be complete idiocy". It's not just an opinion of mine that Trudeau is a scandal-plagued fool whose only redeeming quality is his ability to pretend that he's in a position to virtue signal down to the rest of Canada. It's a well-documented fact. And in case you forgot, your theory that Trudeau was a paragon of virtue compared to Trump was just dashed recently when you were informed that he's a groper too. By your own standards where "sexual assault is sexual assault so Trump is as bad as Bill Clinton", Trudeau is as bad as Clinton too, which means that he's a rapist by your standards. So yeah, the notion that he is a good leader is out the window. Physician, heal thyself. You're the one who prattles on about "Trump colluded with Russia" and that's the mother of all conspiracy theories. The FBI investigated that for years and came up with nothing. ZErooo. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Diddley. Trudeau's IQ squared. Some of them even got caught lying and falsifying evidence so they've been fired and one will even go to jail. Then you come out with "EVERYONE WHO CLAIMS TO HAVE WITNESSED ELECTION FRAUD IS A TOTAL LIAR!!!!!!" LMAO, if that's not a half-baked, moronic conspiracy theory then no such thing exists. Anyone who knows anything at all about statistics and probability knows that there's literally a zero percent chance that there wasn't any fraud at all after 150M votes were tallied. Of course there were a lot of legitimate claims. The fact that at least one voting machine flipped thousands of votes for Biden in a swing state has been proven. The fact that the Demonrats with their rich history of getting caught cheating on elections, and their never-ending crusade to implement voter-fraud-friendly election changes, won this election under such weird circumstances is enough reason to believe that a serious investigation is warranted. Like I said dude, that's you to a tee. Basically no point that you ever tried to make here was based on rational, factual, credible sources or information. You've got the leftist screaming down pat, and outside of that you're not making any real impressions here Beave.

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Russian collusion, Ukrainian collusion, the Biden's aren't guilty of anything, Hillary's not guilty of anything, it's no big deal that members of the FBI were fired/demoted/criminally charged for collusion hoax crimes, Blasey-Ford, anonymous quotes are always legit, R Brooks was killed for falling asleep at a drive thru, etc, etc. It's not really thread drift - it's pertinent because the sources that you're referencing for this thread are 100% discredited. How often do you legitimately risk your life to save other people? How often do you go to domestic disputes to wrestle with violent drunks to stop them from beating up their wives? How often do you work outside between 1-5am in the freezing cold, dealing with the worst criminals in the seediest areas of the biggest cities? How often do you get yelled at and called nasty names by lowlife racist SJWs just for doing your job properly? You could probably get work and find housing in downtown Baltimore or New Orleans if you want. Go live in some places where the cops don't make much money and then you can yell at them with your fellow cop-hating SJWs whenever they arrest a crack dealer. I think you'll love it.

I could bring up 1,000 stupid things that all of you guys gobbled up. Things that even a Jr High School student would be able to figure out, but that went right over your heads. For example, when Trump calls MS-13 animals and CNN says "Trump called all immigrants animals" and you think that's legit. Or when CNN says "Michael Brown was gentle giant, and the videos of his violent episode in a store moments before he was shot shouldn't be shown on tv out of respect for the dead. Let's just focus on what his grade 6 teacher said about him. That's what really matters here." Honestly you should be extremely embarrassed of the things that sucked you in but instead you just say "why do you keep pointing out all the stupid CNN stories that we believed?" I say it because you should know by now, after the thousandth time that you've been sucked in by CNN's lies, that when CNN talks you need to have your bullshit filter set to "INCOMING STEAMY MAXIMUM OVERLOAD LIKELY SYSTEM CRASH IMMINENT". Instead, after all this time, your filter is still set at "Nothin' but blue skies and gospel truth, take the rest of the month off". Just out of curiosity, do you also believe that de-funding the police is the key to saving black men in the US from their impending annihilation at the hands of the police?

The perfect example of the person you're describing there would be the guy who: -bought into Russian collusion, - believed Dr Blasey Ford, -believed every 'anonymous source' story that came out of CNN in the last 4 years, -believes that Trudeau is just a swell PM, -thinks Biden is a leader not a senile crook, -thinks Hillary is a dedicated politician and not a criminal/liar, etc. Basically everything that you believe in has been debunked or proven to be complete idiocy, nd that's not even the whole list. It's pathetic. You're the poster child for brainwashed cult-following conspiracy nuts.

I prefer not to talk about abolition of the Monarchy while Queen Elizabeth is alive. I actually have a lot of respect for her. That's just my own personal opinion though. Once she's gone I'm all about that conversation.