WestCanMan

Deniers of the glorious leader's word should be put in jail indefinitely, until they learn obedience and compliance. Failure to parrot the word should result in public flogging. What say you, Brother TreeBeard? LONG LIVE TRUDEAU! LONG LIVE CARNEY! A POX ON ALL CONSERVATIVES!

But in a non-fascist way, right? And only if they're not destroying things. If they burn enough buildings down and kill enough cops, CNN and CBC will call it a "mostly peaceful protest", and Trudeau will call it "an excellent example of a protest that I can support".

That I run away from pseudovax claims that I have made. Nothing that I said about the pseudovax failure has ever even been challenged, aside from by generic, pointless accusations like you just made there. Can you find the claim that you think I ran away from? That thread has dozens of pages. FYI that thread was tucked away in a corner of the forum that I never go to. Sometimes I forgot about that thread for months at a time. It went on for years, dude. That thread is full of accurate, very pertinent information that you will never see on CBC. Now, back to the main thrust of our debate, User. Which one of these things was a win for the vax? Do you understand that covid deaths were 30% higher in 2022 (which we started with 85% of Canadians vaxed) than in 2021, and 24% higher than 2020? Do you understand that over 85% of the Canadians who died of covid in 2022 were vaxed more than once? Do you understand that hospitalizations were several times higher in 2022 than the other years? Do you understand that healthy young adults and children did not need a vaccine to fight off covid? No one has ever provided any stats or data on why they should be vaxed, but we forced the adults to do it. Then infections hit an insane peak in 2022 - obviously the jabs did nothing to slow the spread. Do you understand that the NiH article I posted for you shows that "at the beginning of the covid pandemic, ivermectin trials were already showing that it was working against covid"? Do you understand that the NiH article I posted for you says that "subsequent ivermectin trials showed that even at regular doses, ivermectin was effective against covid"? Do you understand the difference in cost between using ivermectin and using the pseudovax? Do you understand the difference in the level of the safety of ivermectin and the pseudovax? Ivermectin was around for decades. Do you remember just how adamant the medical communities were that ivermectin was just horse-dewormer, and that it had no chance of working? Do you remember how much covid coverage there was in 2020 when only 15,000 Canadians died of covid, and how little coverage there was in 2022 when over 19,000 Canadians died of covid, and the vast majority were dbl-, triple- and even quadruple-vaxed? Your whole shtick is that you can't acknowledge a single one of those truths, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. There are easily a dozen more points that I could put in there, showing just how f'd up and twisted the entire covid narrative was. I didn't even mention Fauci's culpability in creating the virus, his lie about the likelihood of the pangolin story, people getting banned from TNI-conspirators' platforms for talking about the BSL4 lab, the litany of vax promises that turned into BS and the lies about the jabs' safety and efficacy after we already knew that they were not living up to the hype, etc, and those are big stories. All that pseudovax apologists have to counter all of the above FACTS is "back-door lab tests done by people who reaped massive profits from the pseudovax campaign proved that the jabs worked". That's it. It is a 100% certainty that IN CANADA THE JABS WERE AN ABSOLUTE FAILURE, AND VAX-FASCISM TURNED OUT TO BE ENTIRELY UNWARRANTED. Where we stand right now is YOU CAN'T ACKNOWLEDGE ANY OF THE THINGS I TOLD YOU, WHICH ARE ALL EASILY VERIFIABLE FACTS, AND ARE CENTRAL TO OUR CONVERSATION. YOU CAN'T REFUTE ANY OF THEM. You just want to refer to ghost allegations of me "running away from statements I made earlier", and you want to keep me replying to your chincy, generic accusations. F-off. Answer to those TEN, SPECIFIC bullet points.

Get a life, User. Stop making generic accusations that you can't back up. There are NO covid claims that I made which I ran away from, liar. 1) The covid vax didn't work, period, and it killed and severely injured a lot of people, but TBH, that's not even the standard that necessarily had to be reached for me to make the claim that vax fascism was unwarranted. In order for vax-fascism to be deemed to have been worth it, and rise to the level of "the end justifies the means" (look at leftists aspiring to Machiavellian standards which they pretend to abhor), the covid vax would have had to have worked extremely well. Covid deaths went up by 30%, that's obviously not "worked very well". Do you think that the covid jabs worked very well? Were we looking for a massive increase in hospitalizations and a 30% increase in deaths? Tell me User... Make your f'ing point. Say something challenging and specific, not generic, snotty and vague. 2) The example from India was not "debunked", it was "ignored". The success was explained away by the "correlation isn't causation" argument, but now even the NiH says that ivermectin works, so the causation is now proven. 3) Tell me now whether or not you think that the NiH said that ivermectin works against covid... 4) Tell me now, at what stage of the covid saga did the NiH say that ivermectin was shown to have been working against covid...?

I didn't accuse you of saying anything. I simply stated a couple of facts. We can't force people, and people have 100% solid reasons for not trusting Health Canada. People didn't stop trusting Health Canada because they're stupid, people stopped trusting Health Canada because they caught our medical professionals lying to them. Facts, facts and more facts. Yes, I still personally believe i the measles vaccine, but I also don't trust our medical professionals at all. Never a singe one. Not a single thing that I said about this was proven false. Do you doubt the massive increase in infections? The 30% increase in deaths? That 85.7% of our covid deaths in 2022 were occurring among the multi-vaxed? Tell me what you think is wrong, and I will put you squarely in your f'ing place. Understand what I'm saying here: people in Canada have extremely good reasons for not trusting our medical experts. That is a sad fact that cannot be challenged. It is carved in stone. Intelligent, open-minded people understand that implicitly. Whether or not you understand that is simply a measure of your mental capacity. Be the stone wall if you want. Thanks for putting out old, debunked, anti-ivermectin propaganda. Even the NiH is finally acknowledging that ivermectin actually works against covid. It is in the article I posted earlier. Stop pretending to not know that. FYI the success against covid in Uttar Pradesh happened before 2% of the population was vaccinated, and there weren't just ivermectin kits for 5M people. https://rescue.substack.com/p/the-media-is-silent-but-the-data A report from the WHO confirmed the strategy: Government teams moved across 97,941 villages in seventy-five districts. The state government deployed 141,610 teams and 21,242 supervisors to ensure total rural area coverage. Are you saying that 141,600 teams only gave out 5M kits? So each entire team only gave out 50 kits? That's like a whole team of people being deployed only to give kits to all of the people in one townhome complex. How long did they work for, according to your "expert"? Just until the first coffee break of one day? Buddy, the whole strategy of the covid game was to "lie about everything covid-related, and if you couldn't lie about it then just don't talk about it". Do you think that the CBC, BBC, NYT, WashPo, FB, Twitter, Google, YouTube, AP Reuters were busy lying about covid 24/7, and kicking people off their platforms for talking about the BSL4 lab, but the LATimes was busy telling the truth? https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9135450/ That's the NiH dude. NiH. Here are their words. You tell me what you think these words mean: In the last decade, several in-vitro studies have shown its [ivermectin's] anti-viral activity against a broad range of viruses. At the beginning of the COVID pandemic, ivermectin was tested in vitro against SARS-CoV-2 and showed a highly significant reduction (99.8%) in viral RNA after 48 hours [1], but it was criticized that this was achieved by using a much higher dose in comparison to the standard dose in human use [2]. However, its anti-COVID activity in real-life in patients who were treated with standard dose of 3 days of ivermectin showed the significant reduction in culture viability in the ivermectin group compared to placebo [3]. In addition, ivermectin has anti-inflammatory properties based on in-vitro and in animal model studies. An extensive review of the potential mechanisms of action for ivermectin against COVID-19 was recently published [4]. You tell me how that NiH article says that ivermectin doesn't really do anything. Now go back and read this part again: At the beginning of the COVID pandemic, ivermectin was tested in vitro against SARS-CoV-2 and showed a highly significant reduction (99.8%) in viral RNA after 48 hours Ivermectin was an off-patent drug that had been used for decades and was known to be safe. FYI, because ivermectin was an off-patent drug, that means that anyone and their dog who was capable of making ivermectin was allowed to make it without paying anyone even one cent in royalties. But there was an all-out war against ivermectin in our media, and by our government and our medical community. Honestly, look at that NiH article and tell me all about ivermectin not working again.

Dude: you can't force people to take vaccines. Even ones that work as advertised. All that we can do is try to reason with people who have been lied to by Health Canada. You have to acknowledge that it's hard to sell someone on a measles vaccine from Pfizer after Pfizer just threw down that covid vax bullshit. If you believe Dr Fauci and you believe that the covid vaccinations were a success here, that's just you ignoring the cold, hard facts that have been presented to you. Utter Pradesh had success fighting covid with ivermectin. Covid deaths dropped dramatically there compared to other Indian provinces. The only case that could be made against that success was "correlation isn't causation". Canada had no success fighting covid with the jabs. Our covid deaths went up dramatically, and the vast majority of our covid deaths were among the multi-vaxed. That's not "westcanman just saying that", it's "westcanman passing along Health Canada's own stats to you in a way that you would rather not acknowledge". The only defence of the vaccines' failures was "infections went up drastically". Well guess what? Forcing people to vax was only justified by pretending that they slowed the spread. So whether you want to acknowledge that the jabs failed: because more people died, or they failed because so many more people got infected, either way you look at it, the jabs ABSOLUTELY FAILED because both things actually happened. Math says that, and math trumps closed-door trial data. After the scientists try their theories out on the general public, at scale, math determines the champion. Ivermectin won. Just get the F over it, dude. The vaccines were forced on us all because they were supposed to bring down covid deaths and they went up by 30% in 2022. Full stop. They were forced on us to do something that they simply DID NOT DO. Health Canada's stats said that in no uncertain terms, but CBC never passed along the info. So now that we're done done pretending that there were two types of people "the vaxed and the unvaxed", we can't do that anymore? Nice try. There are actually two types of people: 1) people who acknowledge the vax scam, and 2) cultists. Here's the deal, dude: the people who push the real vaccines also lied to us about the covid vaccines. Intelligent, open-minded people understand that implicitly. It's not easy to get people to take "medicine" from Pfizer, for very good reason. That is what we are dealing with. Did you not read the NiH article I posted that acknowledges that: ivermectin isn't just an anti-parasitic medicine anymore, as the MSM would have you believe it has been a successful anti-viral medication for decades ivermectin also had very real success against covid in clinical trials FYI number 2 there provides the "causation" effect that was somehow missed when ivermectin usage somehow correlated with massive covid-fighting success in Uttar Pradesh https://pierrekorymedicalmusings.com/p/the-miracle-not-heard-around-the Uttar Pradesh's ivermectin campaign enjoyed the greatest success of any covid-fighting technique anywhere in the world. Period.

Left4rds are such pathetic, stupid little clowns, it's really sad that they outnumber intelligent Canadians by enough to carry the vote. These guys can't debate facts on any topics here, all they can do is click the down-arrow and tell a few lies. Just disgusting.

Lying loser. He voted against a bloated omnibus bill packed with gov't overspending. The LPOC killed our energy sector and then started spending way more money, because that's just how f'ing stupid they are. Only a total ret4rd (like you) would think that's a good idea.

Maybe screaming at clouds, and cheering for assassinations, genocides and assassination attempts is therapeutic.

CBC: "If you choose a Trudeau-clone to run the Conservative Party then we will tell our cultists to vote for him." No thanks. CBC, eyeball, herbie and all the other cultists can F right off. We can either elect Poilievre or let the country continue to go to hell based on the CBC's cultist gospel, I couldn't care less anymore. We really don't deserve any better if it comes down to that.

Poilievre, period. It's disrespectful for anyone to challenge him.

@User Bro, it's 2025 and ivermectin's effectiveness at fighting covid is still being lied about in the mainstream. Just think about the fact that there was a dirt-cheap and perfectly safe tool for fighting covid, something that we could have dosed the whole planet with for maybe $100M, and instead we gave Pfizer and Moderna untold billions of dollars for a dangerous pseudovax that failed (when deaths go up sharply and infections and hospitalizations spike after we "vaccinate" 85% of the population, I call that vaccination campaign a failure) The data came out in Uttar Pradesh on a massive scale, they have 5 times the population of our country there, and it was debunked by a snotty "correlation is not causation" retort plus some more fake studies that were published in popular medical journals and trumpeted on our "trusted news initiative" networks. Dr Kory is still being maligned and slandered right now on Wiki, User. Today. YEARS after we knew that ivermectin works. By contrast, here's what wiki says about Fauci in their opening paragraph: Anthony Stephen Fauci ForMemRS (/ˈfaʊtʃi/ FOW-chee;[5] born December 24, 1940) is an American physician-scientist and immunologist who served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) from 1984 to 2022, and the chief medical advisor to the president from 2021 to 2022.[6] Fauci was one of the world's most frequently cited scientists across all scientific journals from 1983 to 2002.[7][8] In 2008, President George W. Bush awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian award in the United States, for his work on the AIDS relief program PEPFAR.[9] Where's the mention of Fauci's little "funded the creation of the covid virus and then blamed a f'ing pangolin" faux pas? Kory fought hard for mankind and he's still being maligned, Fauci served Pfizer like a slavish dog and sold us all out, and he's "a tireless worker and champion" 🤮. You're light years on the wrong side of history now.

Did what? Did Republican politicians turn a blind eye to the rioting? Did Republican politicians do their best to justify the rioting? Did Republican politicians do their best to incite more rioting? Did Fox News call the rioting "mostly peaceful protests"? Did Republican politicians turn a blind eye to any assaults? Did Republican politicians turn a blind eye to any murders of civilians or police officers? Did Republican politicians or Fox News waste any time at all telling people to cease and desist? Did Republican politicians and Fox News create false narratives and release doctored videos to incite more riots? Just wtf are you embarrassed about? Over the past 40 years Republicans rioted for a grand total of 3 hours. Stop comparing the GOP's paltry level of "riot shame" to the level of shame that the Dems absolutely reek of. It's like comparing losing a Bic lighter in the park to the Exxon Valdez spill. Actually, it's worse than that. Only a Michael Hardner-style "conservative" would try to pretend that there is any kind of parallel there.

When you take into account all the expenses involved in building the energy sources, and the massive batteries needed to make their energy somewhat more practical (batteries don't store enough energy at that scale to last for weeks at a time, and solar is weak all winter long), and the environmental costs to build them, and the petroleum used to build them, and the petroleum products required to run them, and their extreme environmental impact at the end of their service life, and the fact that solar ONLY creates energy when energy is in low demand here, just makes them more of a hobby than a real-life solution. Energy is a need, not a luxury. Affordable energy is a need, not a luxury. You can't build an economy on expensive, ineffective energy sources. Canada can't afford to continue to live at the standard of life that we previously enjoyed while destroying our energy sector. It's like quitting your day job and just getting a Sunday morning paper route but still expecting to afford all the same things you did while you were working. Herbie's next quote: "I quit my day job and then bought a house using only the money that I earned delivering newspapers on Sunday morning! Honest injun!"

If you think something I said was incorrect then be man enough to say it exflyer, you gutless weasel.

You're wrong about so much of that, and I don't know why you're so adamant about it all. 1) the net effect of the measles vax on a population is "a magic shield". The effect of that vax on individuals is still "pretty damn close" to being a magic shield 2) There are 2 types of vaccines: actual vaccines and cultist vaccines 3) The credibility of the medical profession was absolutely destroyed by the covid farce. That's what lying does: it destroys one's credibility. You could argue that some of those people weren't "lying", because they were just really stupid and had less of an understanding of epidemiology than a passing grade 12 biology student, but that still destroys their credibility. The whole covid/vaccine farce was just a web of lies from the beginning, and you can't refute a single lie I pointed to. High-profile, well-respected doctors called out those lies. They were excoriated, censured, and threatened with losing their licenses, but they still stood firm. Dr Kory is still being lied about to this day, even right on wiki: Pierre Kory is an American critical care physician who gained attention during the COVID-19 pandemic for advocating widespread off-label use of ineffective drug treatments for COVID-19, as president and co-founder of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC).[1][2] Kory testified twice to the U.S. Senate regarding COVID-19. During his testimony in December 2020, Kory erroneously claimed that the antiparasitic medication ivermectin was a "wonder drug" with "miraculous effectiveness" against COVID-19.[3][4] That's just 100% wrong: It's not just "antiparasitic". Initially, yes, but https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9135450/: "In the last decade, several in-vitro studies have shown its anti-viral activity against a broad range of viruses." It wasn't an erroneous claim. From the same article: However, its anti-COVID activity in real-life in patients who were treated with standard dose of 3 days of ivermectin showed the significant reduction in culture viability in the ivermectin group compared to placebo [3]. In addition, ivermectin has anti-inflammatory properties based on in-vitro and in animal model studies. An extensive review of the potential mechanisms of action for ivermectin against COVID-19 was recently published [4]. Even in 2025, lies about the covid jab and ivermectin are still the norm, as evidenced by wiki's lies. There you have it

1) Dude, you need to take a Valium. Measles is deadly for kids under 2, and potentially really bad for kids from 2-5. Understanding that means, to the average person, that kids should be vaccinated for it. 2) The "pretty much" comment was that "the measles vaccine pretty much is a magic shield". You said it was not a magic shield, but in truth, it is. If there are 4 people in your family who are all vaccinated and you have a 12-month old baby, the "97% chance of not carrying the infection home to the baby" feels pretty damned good. By contrast, if you have 4 people in your family and they all got 4 covid jabs, the chances of them getting sick with covid didn't change. Canada had several times as many infections in 2022 as the other years, and they weren't all among the unvaxed, judging by the fact that over 85% of the covid deaths came from the multi-vaxed. 3) The science you're referring to was literally all lies, dude. the first time Fauci came on your TV to say "pangolin", that was a massive f'ing lie which is 100% contrary to the whole concept of science. If you knew in that moment how much of a lie that was then you never would have listened to another word he said. All of Fauci's claims, predictions and guarantees were all false when he said them. All of them. Saying that "the vaccines will all be safe and effective" was a lie: science never would have predicted that could happen in 6 months. Science includes history, and history is full of examples of drugs which proved to be completely hazardous to human health. Saying that they were safe, at the time he said it, was a lie: we already knew of deaths and myocarditis and pericarditis. FYI that's not "safe". It's safer than being in a plane crash, but it's not safer than "just getting covid" for young, healthy people. That's neither here nor there. Sorry but it's just a really stupid analogy. Here's a similar analogy that's actually on point: If you found out that WalMart created the f'ing covid virus, and then blamed it on a pangolin, would you trust WalMart to tell you how to treat covid? And that's actually a tougher question to answer than you think: Maybe they created the virus and then let it out because they already had the cure, and they knew that you'd have no choice but buy it... Maybe covid was a Chinese bioweapon and the jab that you received was actually the cure for a bioweapon that the US was going to release as retaliation after enough people took it (Like I said from the beginning of covid: the Chinese were basically eliminating infants 20 years ago to curb their population... If they could release a virus that would kill almost everyone over 65, would they do it?) To say: "the covid virus either escaped the Wuhan lab accidentally or it was a product of nature" is actually a false dichotomy... Those aren't the only two options and it's not even close. Maybe it wasn't even the Chinese lab that created it, maybe the Americans created it in America 30 years ago, or 5 years ago (despite international laws), and released it by the Wuhan lab. Maybe it was created in Ukraine and released there. The possibilities are endless, but everything Fauci said was still a lie, because it was all blatantly untrue when he said it.

Dipshit, you're just admitting that wind and solar are intermittent, ie unreliable, ie practically useless. Dipshit, left4rds are the ones saying that "green energy" is so much greener and better. I wasn't the one who made that up. Dipshit, Trudeau is the one who killed the energy sector, Notley would have just been his sidekick in that endeavour, but a distant second. It's bizarre BS for you to blame Danielle Smith. Dipshit, not all of the energy used in Canada is turned into electricity first. Most of the homes in BC are heated with n-gas. However, electricity is still important, and coal was a perfectly reliable source of energy, along with nuclear and hydro. NGas is not as reliable as coal: BC had a pipeline explosion in 2018 and we were one rupture away from an absolute catastrophe. Not only would tens of thousands of homes been without heat, normal homeowners can't just turn furnaces on after the gas line runs dry. We don't have enough qualified professionals in BC to turn everyone's furnace back on in one month. Your "enemies" - coal, gas and oil - aren't our actual enemies as Canadians. Our enemies are Trudeau, Carney, the rest of the LPOC, and the CBC.

They lived under a microscope. What percent of people do you think have cheated on their spouse or a girlfriend/boyfriend?

Speeders don't willfully kill 100,000 American youths every year. Fentanyl dealers do.

We re-elected a narcissistic criminal here twice, mainly because he managed to use 1.4B taxpayer dollars to blatantly bribe the media. That's not a "Democratic success story", herbie. Point to the page in "Democracy for Huge Idjits" where you saw "using gov't money to bribe the media is good for a democracy"...

The NEJoM also had to retract a fake study that they did about HCQ. All that the NEJoM ever did, right from the beginning of covid until the end, was pimp the pseudovax and ignore/discredit everything and everyone else. You might as well post Trudeau's own biography as proof of his greatness and Harper's failure.

One of the biggest problems that we have in this country is "institutions that reflect your sub-human values", eyeball. I would never expect a pregnant 27-yr-old woman to take an experimental injection just to protect me from a viral infection that I had a 99.9% chance of surviving. Never. I'd rather fight a grizzly bear using only a twig and an inch of dental floss.

You know it's a sad day when places where women are beaten up for not wearing the proper religious attire (Saudi, UAE, Oman, Qatar) are considered better places to live than Canada. At least we're still ahead of islamic sate.

🤣 Holy cultist dipshits, Batman. There is no actual math on earth that supports your ridiculous claim. How did 85% of the covid deaths in 2022 come from the multi-vaxed if it was "95% effective against BS BS BS blahblahblah..."? Did the multi-vaxed just get infected 100x as often as the unvaxed? Would you like to see Health Canada's own stats again, showing that over 85% of covid deaths were coming from the ranks of the multi-vaxed? That's a fact, bunker-boy. Sorry but your "95% effective" rubbish is as desperate & pathetic as it is stupid.