dialamah
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*sighs* Yeah, masks work - along with physical distancing, hand washing, yada yada. And of course not "right away"; it takes at least two weeks to start seeing the decline. That's why governments tend to give about a month before reassessing the situation. Don't you pay any attention at all? Here's some science for you, from the Proceedings of the Natural Academy of Science of the United States, January 2021. The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected respiratory particles in both laboratory and clinical contexts. Public mask wearing is most effective at reducing spread of the virus when compliance is high. Given the current shortages of medical masks, we recommend the adoption of public cloth mask wearing, as an effective form of source control, in conjunction with existing hygiene, distancing, and contact tracing strategies. I'm assuming you'll ignore this science in some way; I hope you prove me wrong.
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And yet, the restrictions are regularly loosened/eliminated when cases start to go down; as they ramp up again, the restrictions are tightened again. That's happened 3 times, already - so, what evidence do you have that they're "not going away"? Mask mandates already ended because cases were going down; cases started to go up and mask mandates returned. Did you know they had mask mandates during the Spanish flu, and similar claims were made? Yet, mask-wearing did not become a requirement for longer than the pandemic lasted. Mask wearing = lack of freedom; how ridiculous. Might as well complain about seat belt wearing, speed limits, having to wear a shirt in a restaurant, having to wear pants in public, having to drive sober, not being allowed to jay walk, not being allowed to randomly hit people. Geez, mask wearing limits freedom - just laughable. ?
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So you are taking an isolated case and using to prove that medical professionals in Canada (not to mention around the world) are incompetent or worse? Your argument is not even remotely logical.
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Businesses, which MSN is, have the freedom to deny service based on their own policies "Freedom of Speech" does not exist in Canada; it's Freedom of Expression and relates to what the government cannot limit, not what businesses choose to limit. This means the government cannot deny you the right to express your religious views, no matter what MSN chooses to do. Freedom of Expression is not even absolute; defamation, for example, is not permitted. You can yell at MSN for pulling your posts, but that has nothing to do with Canada - they're an American company, for starters and especially if their servers are in the States, are not subject to Canadian law - even if there was a law to address your issue. It's completely ridiculous to compare this to a dictatorship. There are plenty of places you can express your religious views without any problem. A dictatorship would try to prevent you from expressing yourself anywhere.
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So ... you only want your doc to tell you to get a vaccine, but because it's only their opinion and not (your definition of) facts, you wouldn't pay any attention to them if they did? Do I have that right? I already think my reason and logic is better than yours, so methinks the conversation will simply become circular. I suggest we stop now while we're ahead. FWIW, I think the vaccine passport should only apply to large events - like sporting events, concerts, some weddings, etc. - where hundreds or thousands or 10s of thousands of people attend. I don't think it should be imposed in retail, restaurant or businesses such as lawyer's offices or doctors offices - unless the business itself wants to take that on.
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Do you not read the posts here? Haven't you seen or heard about various protests by people who think covid/masks/lockdowns/vaccines are nothing more than a plot to impose communism or fascism on the world, even where it already exists?
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Given your comment about having to choose between dying of Covid or the vaccine, you seem to think the risk is the same. Being skeptical isn't the same as thinking something is "sinister". Skeptical:. not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations. Sinister:. giving the impression that something harmful or evil is happening or will happen. -
Apparently not. Fair enough; have you talked to him/her about it? How about the taxme's of the world, how likely do you suppose he'd be persuaded by his doc?
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If you're doc said don't get vaccine, then don't. But as this is the first time you've mentioned your doc, I'm guessing they didn't explicitly say "The vaccine is more dangerous than Covid for you". I didn't wear a mask outside during even the worst part of Covid in plague central here, didn't hoard toilet paper, didn't buy up loads of hand sanitizer, regularly forgot to wash my hands after shopping. Somehow I also survived. But just because I wasn't fanatical about precautions doesn't mean I think Covid isn't extremely serious or that a vaccine is more dangerous than Covid
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Yes, I have a minor heart condition as well, along with mild asthma, along with being in the "older cohort". There are millions more of us "vulnerable" than the "protect the vulnerable" crowd realize. If all of us stayed home to "protect' ourselves from Covid - as they suggest - the economy would come to a halt. There have bee 13,000 adverse affects among the 54 million doses given in Canada so far. Over 9,000 of them were non-serious; 3500 were serious (I think two people have died). That's an adverse reaction among .0001666% of all the vaccines so far administered. The rate for serious adverse reaction is -- well, my little calculator couldn't calculate it because it was such a small number. And the number for deaths is vanishingly small. There have been 1.5 million Canadians diagnosed with Covid; 26,000 people have died. That's a death rate of .17% - yes, less than 2%. And that number does not include the "long-haulers", those that survive but are off work from weeks, to months to .... well, who knows how l long. Some experts think that number is about 10% of all cases - even those not officially diagnosed. But we won't know those numbers for sure till well after the pandemic has ended. All those numbers are small, of course, but you are more at risk from Covid than from the vaccine. The difference is that you get to choose a vaccine, while Covid chooses you. This is what all anti-vaxers say: It's more dangerous than government/big pharma want you to believe! Nobody with even a modicum of common sense thinks all vaccines are safe all the time; however, they're safer than getting the disease they're protecting you from. We all have to balance risks, whether it's driving in the snow or jumping out a plane. The "moron" applies to those who have the idea that .00017% is the same or better odds than .17%. Is that you?
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It is the point. If obesity, smoking, drinking etc could be solved by a simple shot, and people refused because "my body, my choice", how irresponsible would you consider those people? Is there some reason the rest of us should pay for their healthcare? Now, I personally don't think we should refuse healthcare to people who are sick due to their life choices. But I certainly understand the frustration of seeing that irresponsible behavior and knowing it's outcome for so many.
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Why are liberals leaving Justins side in droves...
dialamah replied to Army Guy's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
Rabid ideologue. Here I am - not voting Liberal because they've screwed up so many things I'm even considering O'Toole because of his consideration of the environment and his realism in the plan to reduce the deficit over ten years. I voted for Harper, too, in the past. Doesn't seem like the actions of a "rabid ideologue". Anyway, if you are a half-hearted Conservative, why should my opinion of partisans bother you? Why must you be so ridiculous. -
I happen to think they're wrong about that, because of what's happened in England. Nonetheless, vaccines will ensure this surge sputters instead of roaring. It is the lunatic fringe ; less than 20% of the population (going by your claim of 80% vaccination), given that many people can't be vaccinated due to health issues. I do care: about the unvaccinated taking up hospital beds that might go to the heart and cancer patients you pretend to be so concerned about; about the depressed and lonely who are at risk of suicide as restrictions continue or increase - another group you've pretended to care about in the past; about the seniors the unvaccinated would confine to homes and care facilities to keep them "safe". Safe from whom, you may ask? The unvaccinated.
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Amazing to me still how you were previously insisting that the "vulnerable" should stay home while everyone else didn't. Now that the "vulnerable" are the unvaccinated, you have a problem with your own solution. 1. Canada, as a whole, is at 75% vaccinated. That's not 80%, so herd immunity has not been reached. 2. The vaccination is doing its job: it's reducing cases, reducing the seriousness of the illness among the vaccinated, reducing hospitalizations, reducing death. The vaccination clearly works. The unvaccinated are driving the current surge in cases, causing governments to continue or renew restrictions and mandates. Have you gotten vaccinated yet? Or are you going to rely on horse dewormer?
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Why are liberals leaving Justins side in droves...
dialamah replied to Army Guy's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
If you disagree at all with what a conservative here posts, you are, by default, a hardcore Liberal who would never vote anything but Liberal. Doesn't matter if you explain repeatedly that you have voted Conservative or if you criticize JT, you've been shoved into a box and you'll never escape. That has been my experience here. Partisans can't seem to believe it's possible not to attach to a party till death detaches them. -
Because currently Covid can overwhelm hospitals and medical staff to the detriment of everybody. The flu doesn't because it's relatively stable year to year. Once enough people get vaccinated against Covid, this will be much less of a concern and our health care system will be able to accommodate Covid patients the way it does flu patients. No doubt at that point the vaccine passport will fall by the wayside.
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Why are liberals leaving Justins side in droves...
dialamah replied to Army Guy's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
Maybe there are no Liberal voters here; maybe that's an assumption made by conservatives whenever someone disagrees with them. I, personally, am not voting Liberal. Since O'Toole has come out with a plan for the environment, he may get my vote - despite my dislike of the values of many CPC core supporters. Also, the comments by most of the conservatives on this forum are so predictable, they've become too boring to respond to most of the time. They're just too partisan, driven by emotion rather than thought. -
Florida hits records for hospitalizations and deaths.
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Vaccinated people are much LESS likely to get sick, therefore much LESS likely to be shedding any viruses.
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After a year and half of Covid, nurses are walking off the job. Anti-maskers, anti-vaxers "Covid is a hoax" fake news spreaders are doing their part to ensure our health care system is broken. Do your part, you f'n morons, so we can keep our hospitals operating, get rid of mask mandates, get rid of limits on gatherings and travel, and get back to normal.
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It's COVID patients that caused all this. And with Anti-Vaxxers poised to fill ICUs up again this fall, we'll see more strain.
The big problem with COVID patients and nurses is that untrained nurses are moved to help in ICUs because that's all they can do. It's not what they trained for.
There's a massive Nursing shortage all over right now.
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Now the trend is upward again, but the numbers are not.
As more people get infected, more will end up in hospital. Over 90% of the people who end up in hospital due to Covid are unvaccinated.
How about a huge backlog of non-covid patients, cancer and heart disease who are waiting on hold for their diagnostics and treatment.
As more people sick with Covid take up hospital beds and staff resources, the fewer beds/resources are available to people with heart disease, cancer etc. Unless you are suggesting that critically ill Covid patients be refused hospital care, so that less critically ill patients can receive care?
There is no serious discussion about providing better resources to hospitals so that we can accommodate both the covid patients and the other serious health issues people face at large. Many of which typically kill more each year than covid.
Over 90% of the people who end up in hospital due to Covid are unvaccinated. Rather than expecting government (and taxpayers) to subsidize the irresponsibility of anti-vaxers, anti-maskers and misinformation spreaders, do your part and get vaccinated, practice and support mask-wearing and stop spreading misinformation.
And, there are only so many nurses and other medical professionals available. Many have already quit due to the stress of dealing with extremely ill and dying patients, with no end in sight (thank you anti-vaxers, anti-maskers, misinformation spreaders for ensuring there will continue to be lots of sick people). It takes years to train up new medical personnel; they won't be ready in time for this crisis. The best we could hope for is more help for the next one.
Many of which typically kill more each year than covid.
Over 90% of the people who end up in hospital due to Covid are unvaccinated. Are you suggesting that these critically ill patients be refused beds in favor of less critically ill patients? I'm sure if someone with heart disease/cancer/etc. is as sick or sicker than a Covid patient, they'll be triaged in. But those who are not so critically sick, won't be. If you are worried about these people not having their diseases even diagnosed, then get vaccinated, wear a mask, support those who do, and stop spreading misinformation.
If anti-vaxers/etc. were really concerned about cancer patients/heart patients/drug addicts/old folks/etc., the way they claim to be, they'd get vaccinated, wear a mask and stop spreading misinformation while bleating about their "right" to put others at risk.
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All of the problems you highlighted are real. The difference is I’m saying this does not need to be a zero sum game. We must be more pragmatic in our thinking. Like this;
Problem, solution.
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Obesity isn't the only comorbidity and sometimes people don't even know if they're susceptible to dying from Covid. And sometimes it kills people with no health issues. It's kinda like being hit by lightning - probably won't happen to you no matter how big the storm, but you still do things that'll lessen that small chance. Getting vaccinated is something people can do to virtually eliminate the risk of dying from Covid.
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Conservatives make another bonehead move: they won't say if their candidates have had the vaccine. Clearly a significant number haven't, even though most Canadians support vaccines. Conservatives continue to move themselves farther and farther from the mainstream of what Canadians want and believe.
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Getting the vaccine or not is only "private" information to an anti-vax lunatic who knows they're view is outside the norm. Therfore, someone I don't want to vote for.
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I vote for people based on policy. Not the eroding of rights and freedoms based on virtue signalling.
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Seems the CPC would be a party of Anti-Vaxxers.
I'm unsure what good policies they have, right now actually. At least JT has some proposals like Universal Childcare.
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Right wing radio host who encouraged people not to get vaccinated dies of Covid.
Seems he regretted not getting vaccinated at the end.
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If I were an old guy who’s lived a great life, hunting, fishing, chasing skirts would I want to deny that to some young lads just getting started in their life? No. And I are one.
He gained lots of attention and was probably targeted.
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In other news, ten million guys who weren't vaccinated,, lived...
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Again with OW and his Pro-Death stance.
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CBC Radio . . . . anyone listen anymore?
dialamah replied to Nefarious Banana's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
Yabbut, these are the ones who'll change our culture - they aren't like our conservatives --- they'll want to put women back in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant; dress them "modestly" when allowed out. What you guys gonna admire when summer comes? So, you sure you wanna do that?
