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Yeah, who cares whose inconvenienced/gets sick/dies as long as you don't have to lift a finger to help out. Good on ya, standing up for your right to be a selfish pr*ck.

Pretty heartless, dismissing the stress for the patients, their families and the medical staff who have to deal with this.

Sweden lost far more people than they should have; if Canada had followed their example, we'd have had 3 times as many illnesses and twice as many deaths. Sweden is at 2012 deaths per million; Canada, 728. Sweden's neighbors, who did implement lockdowns and restrictions, had far fewer illnesses and deaths than Sweden. As of August 18, 2021, Sweden had the highest number of confirmed COVID-19 cases among the Nordic countries, with over 1.1 million. This was followed with over 334 thousand cases in Denmark, and 146 thousand cases in Norway. The region experienced a ‘second wave’ during winter 2020/21, in which cases were significantly higher than recorded in the initial wave in spring 2021. For example, in December 2020 daily cases in Sweden peaked at 11.4 thousand cases, and daily cases in Denmark peaked at 4.4 thousand in the same month. To this day, the pandemic has cost the lives of over 19 thousand people in the Nordics. Sweden registered by far the largest death toll with over 14.6 thousand deaths, although it has the largest population in the Nordics. Indeed they do.

Too bad the 95,000 health care workers in Canada who've gotten sick and the 43 who died didn't know that! If only OW had been there to advise them how to wear masks properly (or not wear them at all), how to wash their hands properly, how far to distance themselves to avoid getting sick!

They shut down gyms, imposed restrictions on how many people could be in restaurants and bars, limited gatherings, among other things. The trade-off for not entirely shutting down businesses was a much higher per Capita death rate than it's nearest neighbors. Their per Capita death rate was higher than Canada's and even the UK. I get that you're ok trading lives so you don't have to wear a mask or get a vaccine, but most people feel differently.

You should come out from under your bed, you'd see much better.

"THIS ONE THING WILL MAKE YOU LIVE FOREVER/GET RICH/FIND LOVE" ... seen on any number of clickbait headlines on social media, all selling some version of snake oil. I never click on them, and ain't gonna click on yours either.

Your info about Sweden is wrong. Eventually, after Sweden's daily COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and death skyrocketed from October to December, the country closed non-essential public spaces, such as gyms, pools and libraries, and recommend masks during rush hour on public transport. It closed high schools and universities in the spring of 2020, required social distancing in bars and restaurants, and asked the sick and elderly to stay home. Public gatherings were also limited in size to varying degrees over the course of the pandemic. That all sounds very much like what I experienced in BC. Sweden has recorded more COVID-19 cases per capita than most countries so far: Since the start of the pandemic, roughly 11 out of every 100 people in Sweden have been diagnosed with COVID-19, compared with 9.4 out of every 100 in the UK and 7.4 per 100 in Italy. Sweden has also recorded around 145 COVID-19 deaths for every 100,000 people — around three times more than Denmark, eight times more than Finland, and nearly 10 times more than Norway. Sweden has a population of ~10 million and has had 1,143,973 cases and 14,753 deaths. Canada, with 3 times the population, has had 1.56 million cases and 27,325 deaths. If lockdowns/masks/vaccinations didn't work, why wouldn't Canada have had over 3 million cases and 45,000 deaths - to put them on par with Sweden's "success"? The Public Health Agency of Sweden has this to say: The stricter national regulations and general guidelines include both individuals and businesses. The regulation aimed at individuals emphasises the personal responsibility. Everyone is responsible for taking precautionary measures to protect themselves and others against the spread of COVID-19. You have to consider how to avoid getting infected or infecting others. It is particularly important to be considerate towards people in at-risk groups. You can do your part by following the general guidelines. Sweden has a vaccine passport and are leaving it open as to whether they'll use it to limit access: But aside from travel into the country, the pass is not used at all for access to things like events, museums, restaurants or bars. The government hasn’t ruled it out entirely, but has said the Swedish preference is to open up for everyone at the same time instead. Perhaps you should consider that lack of response isn't because you've presented such great "evidence". Could be that people have lives, or something, and anyway nobody is obligated to respond to you at all, let alone on your schedule. I myself will not have time to counter your misinformation/lies, as I'm off to visit my kids this weekend.

That case was in America.

Oh yeah, the unvaccinated are not being ostracized; they're being prevented from certain indoor elective activities to reduce the risk of spreading disease. They can get takeout, get booze, go grocery shopping, play baseball outside, go swimming, stay at a hotel, visit the doctor or the hospital. Claiming ostracization because people can't dine in, go to concerts/bars and gyms is simply hyperbole engaged in by people who don't have a logical argument.

Such a liar. I've said multiple times that I think people who are at risk from the vaccine shouldn't get it; I've even specifically included you. Go back a few pages to September 10, where I posted this: "So, if your doc has said that your heart condition makes you especially prone to myocarditis or pericarditis, than maybe not taking the vaccine is the right choice for you; I don't know. " Frightened people lie so they can believe they're right. And you've admitted you're afraid the vaccine might have side effects later; projecting your fear isn't an effective coping strategy either.

Fear and terror of what, exactly? I'm vaccinated and unlikely to get sick at all. If I do get sick, I'm far less likely to end up in hospital or to die, than an unvaccinated person. And I'm able to do everything I could do prior to Covid, even if a mask is required. What you think is terror is actually a desire to reduce illness and death of others, as much as possible. In the meantime you are too scared to get a vaccine that is far less dangerous than Covid because it might sometime in the future, have side effects. So who is really living in terror?

Not actually living in terror. I dine in at restaurants, visit friends and family, go to the gym, walk my dog. I feel pretty comfortable, actually, . You know who's living in terror? People who deny the seriousness of Covid, deny the effectiveness of social distancing, masks and vaccines. Denial is how people deal with things they're too scared to face head on.

From a 1905 case, in which an individual refuted the government's right to mandate vaccines: "The court ruled that the requirement didn’t violate Jacobsen’s right to liberty or “the inherent right of every freeman to care for his own body and health in such way as to him seems best.” The court added that “[t]here are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good. On any other basis, organized society could not exist with safety to its members.” " The entire article is here.

No shirt, no shoes, no service; no shirt, no shoes, no vaccine, no service. No difference. When I worked in food service, it was mandated that a certain level of cleanliness was maintained to prevent illness; preventing illness is a primary function of public health authorities. People who oppose public health orders or guidelines are hyper-emotional reactionaries with no sense of logic.

If "growing a neuron" means believing in conspiracies involving thousands of experts around the world and simultaneously ignoring what's going on in the real world, I'll pass, thanks. @Goddess- how's it going over there in Alberta, where they're thinking they might have to ship sick Covid patients out of Province because of a lack of beds? Just more lies, right? Why was Kenney apologizing for removing restrictions too early and trying to go for endemic management, if Covid poses such a negligible risk?

Can't be all that boring; you keep reading and responding.

Consequences. People who drink too much lose their jobs when it starts to affect their work. People who are obese lose their jobs when they can't perform. People who are too sick to work because of lung cancer or heart disease lose their jobs. Healthcare workers who refuse to vaccinate are affecting their ability to do their job because they're putting their patients and colleagues at risk.

The unvaccinated aren't being forced to take the vaccine, any more than an obese person is being forced to eat or a smoker is forced to smoke. However choices have consequences; an obese person has their quality of life reduced in many ways. The unvaccinated can choose not to take the vaccine, but there are consequences to that choice that will reduce their quality of life. Consequences are a natural part of life. Unvax say their willing to accept the risk of dying as a consequence of their choice, but balk at being refused entry to a restaurant, ballgame or concert. Weird.

Because people can't be vaccinated against smoking, diabetes, heart disease etc. A vaccination is a low-risk, easy and effective way of staying out of the hospital. In addition, people with lifestyle illnesses use hospital beds at a predictable and steady rate. A disease like Covid happens fast to a lot of people all at once; it is not predictable - as has been demonstrated more than once in the last 18 months. So our medical system get overwhelmed.

Article 7 of the constitution: 7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice. The government has a duty to implement policies that will protect thelife and security of everyone in the society. Just as a drunk driver can drink if he chooses, but can't drive because it impacts the life and security of others, so the unvaccinated are limited from some activities because their choice impacts the life and security of others. Choices and consequences. Suck it up.

Maybe, at some point, you'll figure out that we're dealing with a pandemic, TODAY, not 20 years ago. Nobody is denying the gov't was completely stupid in not doing more in these 20 years, but your repetition of this, over and over, as if it makes any difference to what we do now to protect as many people as possible from getting sick, does not make for an intelligent, grown up discussion. If you want to discuss what we should have learned in the past 20 years, and what we should do in the next 20 years, start a specific thread about it, instead of littering every other thread with your pet peeve.

But who is more likely to spread it - those who get sick from it, or those who don't? Please tell us, oh wise one. /s So the people who aren't getting surgeries because the hospital is full of Covid patients in the ICU are lying about that? Along with doctors, nurses and other health professionals who are saying they're overwhelmed with patients - they're lying too? And what about the nurses and other health care workers who are leaving because they can't handle the unending stream of Covid patients filling up ICU beds, dying slow/painful deaths? Everyone is lying about this? Everybody is a liar - except you?

Why this need to deny that unvaccinated people risk other's health and well-being, as they spread the disease and backlog hospitals so that other sick people who are vaccinated but sick, or can't be vaccinated and are sick, can't get treatment or have to have treatment compromised?

Really? What do you suppose happens when there isn't compliance with public health recommendations? Just take a look at some Southern states for your answer. Or even at small towns in the interior of BC where, as my brother put it, "We're too rednecked to wear masks". Those places are among the hardest-hit for this wave of Covid.