OftenWrong
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Looks like a relatively minor incident involving some far-right white supremacists, but ok. From what I can see in the video there was a scuffle between 4-5 people involving the Canadian flag. Berkeley riots was on a completely scale. Even that sniggering liberal Bill Maher agrees, leftists have a problem- Outspoken liberal comedian Bill Maher says the left needs to rethink its hostility to freedom of speech in the wake of the riot at the University of California, Berkeley this week. “Believe me, I’ve been a longtime critic of colleges shutting people up,” Mr. Maher said Friday on HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher.” “That is a problem on the left that we need to deal with, very much so. Free speech should be something we own.” Students at the prestigious public university assaulted people in the streets, lit fires and looted stores on Wednesday night in order to prevent conservative pundit Milo Yiannopoulos from speaking on campus. Mr. Maher called the Breitbart editor a “provocateur,” but said students had no right to resort to violence and vandalism because they disagree with his views. Link What's more of a concern is the reaction by people in the media to violent outbursts like this. Sometimes even prominent leaders are encouraging naive students to carrying out more attacks. I don't follow Twitter but there are reports of a lot of "tweets" by people like the Mayor expressing their support. Don't know if that's true but this one looks legit. US Democratic congresswoman- https://news.grabien.com/story-dem-rep-val-demings-thinks-berkeley-riots-are-beautiful-site
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I don't think so. I think a very particular kind of person goes to a forum to express themselves and argue with others. The vast majority of Canadians I know do not trouble themselves with this let alone keep up with the news or politics. Most people are quiet and prefer to mind their own business. The attitude generally is "you go ahead and do your thing and I will do my thing." It's only when people feel they are being unfairly singled out or given less chance than others, then they feel offended. An example is this thread- the issue at hand is that there are laws to protect secularism, which suppressed some people's freedom of expression. Before this it was normal to have a prayer at school in the morning. The state took action to eliminate these references. The problem today is people feel Islam is being given preferential treatment. If you listen to the video you will hear one man keeps saying "No special treatment for anyone." That is the issue.
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Should Canadian citizenship be revoked?
OftenWrong replied to blackbird's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
I don't see how deporting citizens is possible, whether born in Canada or emigrated. Once they've renounced the citizenship of their homeland, they are no longer entitled to re-enter their old country any more so than a visitor or immigrant would be. Assuming they are a criminal which Canada wants to deport, their native country has no obligation to let them in. Landed immigrants in Canada is a different story and deportation law already exists for those who commit certain crimes. -
Schools went further than that, when they banned extra-curricular activities like Christmas concerts. Muslim students in the province of Ontario are entitled to hold weekly prayer meetings, held on Friday. These “Jumm’ah” prayer and sermon sessions have been the focus of intense criticism as the provincial public school system is not supposed to be promoting any religion or hosting any religious instruction. Many schools will not even host Christmas music concerts in deference to non-Christian faiths who may be offended by the observance. Board To Allow Muslim Sermons In Schools, And Protesters Aren’t Happy It appears they are allowing the prayer meetings on regular school hours, in the school and provide a member of staff to supervise. That's more than simply letting them pray if they wish.
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America under President Trump
OftenWrong replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
When the Health Care thing started I wondered how it was possible for Donald Trump to come up with a new plan in such a short time after he was elected, considering how complicated such a plan is. It turns out that this is not actually his plan. The media has made references to "Trumpcare" but in recent days I see references to "Ryancare". It turns out that the Republican party has been calling for a repeal of Obamacare for 7 years. The revised plan was developed some time ago and put forward by the GOP/ Ryan for Donald Trump to present to Congress. I think this makes sense and shows a little about the inner workings of US politics... Trump is not necessarily an expert in health care policy, let alone legislation and the GOP has had plenty of time to develop their health care plan, long before the election. Donald Trump supported repealing Obamacare and when he became the president, stepped in to become the spokesman for the GOP plan, under advisement from Paul Ryan. Trump believed that the GOP knew what they were doing, as a CEO does he presented a plan that the party has been working for a long time. Certainly he would be upset that he followed advice of people he must regard as experts, and yet their failure made him look bad. Now the comment, "Nobody knew healthcare would be so complicated." makes sense. It might have even been a veiled sarcastic comment, as Trump and Ryan had serious disagreements during the campaign when Ryan heavily criticized and would not support Trump, and now after giving Ryan the benefit of the doubt this happens. Link Link This further demonstrates that "alt-facts" given in media can still be facts, but are easily misinterpreted by omission of important information. It is easy for most people to react emotionally to a headline and splashy picture, but not easy to dig deeper and get all the facts in and think rationally. -
What are you hiding?
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United States Terrorism aka Christian Terrorism
OftenWrong replied to H10's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
The OP is confused when he tries to connect the dots between US foreign policy and religion. Whatever military assistance the US has provided to other countries, they never say they're doing it in the name of Jesus. -
Our soldiers suffer while caught in the middle.
OftenWrong replied to Army Guy's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
Don't let simpering leftists get to you. I think the majority of Canadians who are aware of this issue do care, and want to see more done for the people in our military. Seems like the government is trying to suppress information about problems the veterans are having, and do not want to provide necessary resources to help the folks who deserve it most. There's a military base in my town, and everyone I know has the utmost respect and love for you army boys and girls. Truly fine people and I want to see them get the proper care they deserve. -
Justin Trudeau: Madonna or Spice Girl?
OftenWrong replied to August1991's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
I see. Strategic left is not all the ones, of course. Most of what we hear from the media is about things like the anti-Islamophobia motion. That's what sells, I guess. Emotional stuff. Seems that Mr. Trudeau has his own PR campaign well under control, just like another country's leader. -
Why Trump was Elected
OftenWrong replied to Cum Laude's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
Doesn't seem all that responsible then. Much of the problems that lead to the rise of extremism is due to a complete refusal to compromise. -
Justin Trudeau: Madonna or Spice Girl?
OftenWrong replied to August1991's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
Shedding? I would think the lefties are thrilled with him. -
Why Trump was Elected
OftenWrong replied to Cum Laude's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
From what I understand they didn't have enough support from the more conservative element in the party, because the proposed changes were not drastic enough. I don't know what they were holding out for. -
They need to check out this place, hahaha
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Our soldiers suffer while caught in the middle.
OftenWrong replied to Army Guy's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
It's true they do that, and in other M.E. and African nations too. Really when you think of it, no nation outside of western civilization has a good record on human rights, or comparable standards of living and education, and laws that protect liberty. Our culture while imperfect is the only hope for the world, and we are in the minority. We need to them to become like us, not the other way around. If we fail, it will be the Dark Ages all over again. -
The area is also full of tourists. I have no idea why you are going on about this though. Clearly he wanted to get lots of media attention and attack Parliament, and by driving over (about 40) people on the sidewalk, he would have known that all sorts of random people would be injured/ killed. The purpose of this was terrorism.
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Political indoctrination in public schools?
OftenWrong replied to Alex Cheng's topic in Provincial Politics in Canada
It's even more complicated than that, imo. Alternative facts can also be "true" when taken in a certain context, especially within the realm of politics. Mainstream facts can be lies, when they are presented as half-truths. It's not so much a problem with the information itself as what it means.
