OftenWrong

Sadly, it is all they understand. Not tolerance, not cooperation. And without those things there can be no democracy, that's for sure. One should be careful not to project what we take for granted in the west to the remote areas of the world.

Please avoid ad hominem. After 9/11, Bush's hand was pretty much forced. Something had to be done to prevent more attacks and ensure US supremacy. It's easy for us to criticize things from a distance, after the fact. There are several reasons why these extremist idiots were able to find a cause and flourish. Many mistakes were made. Politics is another factor that's easily overlooked- as when political opponents block one another's efforts, despite the importance to achieving success. Another big problem is the internet is used as platform to catapult the propaganda. This is a very new phenomenon and plays a big role in radicalization, even in places where there is no direct connection. You brought up the power vacuum that's being filled by ISIS. My point is if the west wants to implement "regime change" the end game needs to be done properly. One cannot win in war by half-measures.

We were discussing how those countries were abandoned after the war so that the extremists could move in and take over. Stick to the discussion, hot enough.

Not sure where you went to school, but it's false. Stick to the discussion, not move the goal posts, otherwise the discussion becomes just a childish argument.

Try to stick to the conversation at hand. Your posts are all over the place. You conflate everything with everything else.

That is absolutely false.

Arabs killing each other is not actually their fault...

Wow, that's not very friendly. Are you attacking the poster now? Yes. Sorry if I don't echo your every concern. Iraq and Afghanistan pullout was overseen by President Obama, so blame him for the vacuum. Blame him for Syria too, and the rise of ISIS. Libya? Obama. If these things were handled by people with experience and forethought, instead of naive peace-at-any-cost ideology, the situation would now be different.

He was "inspired". The ISIS have a media campaign to attract people to their "cause". It's another aspect to the problem. -> Why are things getting worse? Not even sure if they really are. Terrorism has been around for a long time. In this recent case 4 people were killed. Sure, it's a tragedy. But certainly the media coverage when these things occur is extensive. It's not helping.

Me too but not if they don't mind their own business. They want to purge the whole world of infidels- that's us.

This is about stopping the spread of the Islamicists, who seek to bring the Islamic State to Europe. These people butcher their own kind daily right in the streets, right in front of their families.

They died by accident, while terrorist attacks on women and children is very intentional. And done in the name of their cause- Islam. Also note ISIS has killed many thousands of people in the Middle East, any of those who are not considered hardcore fundamentalist Muslims are infidels- they must be slain. US and western aligned military are there to try and stop the spread of ISIS. If they do accidentally kill people they try and make appropriate corrections. Sadly, the Islamic Terrorist leadership are cowards who like to hide themselves among the women and children, knowing full well the outrage it creates when they are killed off accidentally along with the co lateral.

" Do not post inflammatory remarks just to annoy people. If you are not bringing anything new to the argument, then do not say anything at all." - Your performance throughout this thread, despite efforts by several posters to engage you.

Intentional typos are like a weapon that disturbs the simpleminded.

It's cause I don't like Gnome's name.

Maybe Norm would have preferred the Germans won.

Reductio ad nauseum.

So get back on topic. Let's hear something useful. I pointed out your views on this are idealistic and naive, and I showed you why. Another leftists going off the rails, in his own thread even. Not surprising, given the reality of the times.

Or he simply wasn't getting any.

It is just political posturing, nothing more. It's pointless micro-aggressions like this that widen the divide.

At Greenwich

Of course I know they were, and as I said to you the US acquired their nuclear scientists and equipment from the program. The German scientists were on the verge of developing a working weapon when Germany surrendered. That is history. Maybe you can contribute something more than your lame personal sniping when confronted with facts? I guess you have nothing.

The reality of the times was that several countries were working on the atomic bomb at the same time. Germans were ahead of everyone. The US wisely acquired the German scientists before the Russians did. They all knew about the science behind the bomb and that their enemies were working on it. The US didn't know how far along the Russians were, but given the destructive potential of the weapon it wouldn't be wise to wait around and find out. That's what I meant by the reality of the times.

It's fine if you want to be an idealist, but one must also consider the reality of the times.