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If the government wants phone information from the people, then it should ask people individually for consent, and financially compensate them. If a government were to explain well their reasons for wanting this information, then most people would gladly consent, especially if they get free money out of it. An authoritarian approach to obtaining such tracking information is not necessary.

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The pipeline IS indeed in the national interest. We need to make money so the Left can continue to spend it. There is no national interest in banning firearms or SOME firearms. It will not improve life in Canada, enrich us, or make us safer.

..and you see no legal, privacy, civil liberties, freedom issues with your suggestion?

https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/08/supreme-court-ruth-bader-ginsburg-encouraging-immigration/ And "Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a liberal stalwart of the bench, wrote the high court’s opinion." She pretty much wagged her finger at the left-flavored 9th circuit and chastised them hard like a 90 year old dominatrix. That was odd...I think. I wonder how this affects the idea of sanctuary cities. Having a law like this in Canada might be something to think about. Have to wait for the next administration though.

One of my offices is in WY, and we have assets scattered all over the place in remote areas. They simply don't get bothered by criminals. When someone first gets there, they are given the instruction to call out to an invader - so they will look at you. You are advised to put a round right between their eyes. You can legally kill someone in self defense, but there needs to be evidence that they are coming towards you rather than away. The placement of the shot is so you don't have to waste any time with cops and lawyers. Since nearly every adult male is carrying (and a significant number of females), seldom does anyone provoke a response by trying a criminal act. The remote areas? I assume even the bad guys know that if you do a nasty, someone, somewhere in the state is going to catch up with you and the consequences will be severe. Here is SK, we have an area around the Battlefords that is the highest crime rate in Canada. A few years back, someone people came into the farm yard of the Stanley farm, armed and inebriated and began stealing vehicles and accosting family members. The driver (who had a loaded rifle) was approached by Mr. Stanley with a handgun and in the ensuing scuffle, the gun accidentally discharged and killed the driver. After an armed conflict, it took the police well over a quarter hour to respond. SO, what was he to do? Watch his property and family suffer at the hands of the armed, drunken criminals or try to do SOMETHING to stop the attacks and theft. The law is AT LEAST 15 minutes away. Ask the criminals to wait??????? (BTW: spare me the violins from the Liberal talking sheets - you weren't in the interview room or courtroom to hear the whole story). In a rare instance of judicial clarity, he was found not guilty of second degree murder. I don't like the idea of a bunch of weapons in every household, but I like even less the idea that the virtue signalling politicians will take away the rights and privileges of millions of law-abiding Canadians to buy the votes of the politically correct set while doing NOTHING to protect the citizens from actual criminals. When the consequences of getting caught are essentially nothing at worst and getting sent to a rest home to get a good education in how to commit more and better crimes while furthering your criminal network we are going in the wrong direction. BTW: I caught a guy who had broken into one of my trucks a few years ago, and held him physically (until his accomplice arrived and helped him get free, grabbed him again and once more he managed to slip out of his jacket and with help of second guy got away. I was sorely, sorely tempted to pound the living crap out of him when he was alone and even more when his backup arrived, but a little voice in my head said: "you are in Canada and can NOT afford a charge of any kind that would screw up passport, etc.". We are in a small city, I live three blocks from the cop shop and it was almost a half hour before they got here. The only thing that saved the day was that when I was holding the thief down against the seat of my truck, his wallet slipped out of his back pocket and the RCMP found it burried in the snow. The little bastard snowed the courts and some kind of feel-good group who seemed to think that all he had to do was apologize to me and I would show up at his sentencing and put in a good word. When I pointed out that the little bastard was a career criminal in an organized crime spree who did NOT give up his accomplice, her response was that "there was no accomplice". She was so frigging stupid as not to realize she was speaking to the one of two people who knew with absolute certainty there was a second and critically important person (his handler - kid was a juvie, other was not). RCMP told me in no uncertain terms they would have charged me with a crime if I had tuned up either one of the pricks. We will move out to our farm in the future, and you can believe I will keep a really mean dog or two and any threat will be met with canine violence that the perpetrator will NEVER forget.

I can guarantee you that not only will a significant number of dissidents not comply, they will develop networks and methods to undermine the gubmint's attempt to confiscate all banned firearms. Hell, the gubmint couldn't even confiscate all the banned firearms before the latest mass shooting. The fun and games has already started for modification kits, parts changes, records obfuscation, sales & transfers, "collectors", etc. Last time I checked...heroin was illegal in Canada too.

If an app like this becomes mandatory and people will not want to install it If I may advise the government: there is a few people on this forum that will love a job as the enforcers. I propose @eyeballas the general and @Right To Left as the colonel. The uniform has to be red with a hammer and sickle as the emblem Joking, not sure if socialists and communists have a sense of humor.

You again miss the point. American culture detests individual rights being curtailed by the state. The very essence of American collective identity expressed through its laws and behaviour is a distrust of government and that is what you in fact see being expressed. People are defying the quarantine to express the underlying belief that individual rights and freedom should not be endangered by the state taking those rights and freedoms away. While you demand the state have more control over you, Americans demand the exact opposite. Americans are saying they wou li d prefer to die than lose their freedom. That is why Trump has never been more popular. He openly challenges his own government. He plays the role of the rebel who distrusts government. Our leader on the other hand reads fluff scripts. In fact the closest thing we have to Trump is Forf in Ontario who has been frank, open, candid about the failures of government over Covid 19 and appeals to individuals to make the right choice not have it forced on him and he had won over everyone balancing government and individual rights and initiatives. He turned himself into a polite kind Trump. I think the longer we Canadians stay locked up the more likely we will defy the lock downs as well which is why our governments are trying to reopen but carefully.

Liberate....Educate....Mitigate...and Cremate. Any questions ?

In normal times I value my privacy, but not above life itself. While this global crisis lasts, I’d be willing to divulge my less than exciting activities at places like the Trap and Gill, now gone, alas. https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/maritimes-themed-trap-and-gill-pub-closing-its-calgary-doors/

No I didn't...and it is not paper.

No conservative in their right mind would ever condone this BS.

You clearly do not as evidenced by the above utterly ignorant statement above. In fact the surveillance of Jews and Romax or other visible minorities as history shows started based on people making subjective accusations to their police about minorities often fueled by other government organizations or religious institutions. Citizens vigilante groups and often children were used to surveille targeted citizens obtaining evidence no differently then an app does today, by gaining unknown access to the movement and day to day routines of the people surveilled. I can not possibly believe you are oblivious to such fact.

Yes we are...Saddam is quite dead. I don't own a commercial fishing vessel with cameras like you did/do. Smile for the cameras !

The safety lies with the governed, not the constitution....except for the sheep who don't know the difference.

They were tracked....right up until we were done with them. We track Canadians too, but that doesn't mean they must comply. Google....Facebook....Twitter....Instagram...YouTube.....all voluntary.

There comes a point when you have to have faith in the people you elect. Life is full of risks and we could mistakenly elect a sneaky bastard who could wreck it all but if we go too far the otherway and lose that trust in each other and in government, it would be almost impossible to function as a society. It is all a trade off.

Buy one for them. Everyone should have one in any case. In any case we're working on a nano-chip that will be inserted during your mandatory vaccination so...

Not good enough....make the case in legislative process and constitutional frameworks.

Well spoken like a true Canadian trained deep state globalist seal. You obviously listen way too much to CNN, MSNBC, CTV, and the CBC for all of your daily brainwashing plandemic exercise hoax of a virus training, comrade. You truly will make a fine comrade if you are not one already. Sadly for you, our dear comrade leaders and the bought off Canadian media just love people like you whom they could easily manipulate and brainwash into believing anything they say. They know that if they repeat it enough times, people like you will start to believe it, and has we can see so far, they have you by the knockers. What I find very interesting about people like you is that you seem to like to make it appear as though you are some kind of an expert on this China virus. As far as I am concerned, you know dyk all about this virus. You are only going by what your dear comrade leaders and the lying media are telling you. But I do know a lot about this virus though? It is just one of the many seasonal flu bugs that come around every year to try and make our lives miserable. Millions get sick and thousands of people die every year around the world from the many seasonal viruses that come around every year. This one virus has come nowhere close to the many other viruses that have come along over the centuries that have caused even more sickness and death. Actually, viruses are good because they get to make the immune system do it's job. Our immune system will kill off any viruses as long as one stays healthy, eats properly, gets plenty of fresh air and sunshine and exercise, and all should be well. A weak immune system can make anyone sick from any viruses out there, and it is said that there are plenty of viruses out there that would like to make us all sick. Unless this virus is a bio weapon virus released on the world by accident or on purpose, we will never be told. For now, I am going with this virus as being nothing more than your regular seasonal flu virus. I have known a couple who did live under communism and who were able to escape from Hungary. They have told me all I need to know about communism, comrade. You appear to be quite ready and able to accept communism in Canada because you are doing exactly what our dear comrade leaders want you to do these days. Allow your freedom of speech and freedom of assembly to be trampled on and taken away all in the name of this China virus. You pretty much have lost a lot of your freedom today. Trudeau wanted to even try and make it a law that no one would be allowed to question the official narrative of this virus. Now that is communism, comrade. So, you go ahead and get your globalist vaccination with whatever they will put in it. Have you ever heard of the mark of the beast or an RFID chip? It is believed that this vaccine for this virus will have something in it that can track your every move. And so, like you said, if I took the vaccine there will be no place for me to hide. I can be tracked living in a cave deep in the Amazon jungle where no man has gone before. The information is out there, but then again it would appear to me as though you are not all that much interested in trying to get the other side of the story, right? Just saying, comrade.

Without a doubt the most moronic thread on the board in a while. Please continue. Not one of you state totalitarians have provided anything but your subjective desire to control all of us because you believe a virus justifies it. You show a complete ignorance of history and how easy it us for some of you to turn into dickhead fascists without a damn thought given to the implications of your trite comments.

That' s an extremely authoritarian attitude which shows a total lack of empathy for human beings where their happiness conflicts with your own personal preferences. You don't care if millions of people are harmed or that the government wastes billions of dollars on that harming as long as it doesn't impact you personally. And all to accomplish nothing but giving you a little sense of smug contentment that people who have hobbies you disapprove of are harmed.

I like the convenience of my phone. I decided some time ago that asking it where the nearest whatever was mattered to me more than the possibility they could do something with my tracking data which would cause me any harm (given the unlikelihood of the latter) so I didn't turn it's tracking ability off. I bet most people have made the same decision. This app would not only tell me where to find a restaurant but warn me if I had been close to someone with a virus which could kill me or those I care about. Which makes it somewhat more important than the convenience of the map/google apps.

You're talking about island states which can more easily isolate themselves from travel. Also, Jonathan Kay did a thing on this where he points out that even those countries which are spoken of as having not imposed mandatory lockdowns actually have lockdowns which are self-imposed by the people themselves. Sweden's government didn't impose a mandatory lockdown, but Swedes themselves stopped going out anyway. Oh, and Taiwan DOES have a contact tracking app. So does Australia, though they haven't made it mandatory yet. I’ve spent a lot of time looking at this kind of data in recent weeks, and trying to tease out the policy ramifications. One of the trends that’s jumped out is that lockdown orders have tended to ratify public behaviour as much as prescribe or circumscribe it. Seattle residents essentially began imposing a lockdown on themselves before their government did, because the city had become one of the country’s leading early COVID-19 hotspots. Likewise, most Swedes didn’t need their government to tell them to stay home. Like everyone else, they get their news from the globalized data dump and anxiety mill known as social media. They all saw what was happening in Italy and elsewhere. https://quillette.com/2020/05/08/enough-with-the-phoney-lockdown-debate/

The constitution is not a suicide pact is a phrase mostly attributed to Lincoln. But I also defer to that great intellect Sherlock Holmes, who said that once you eliminate the impossible, what remains, however improbable, must be the truth. We cannot stay locked down indefinitely. Yet the moment we start opening up and trying to go back to our old lifestyle the virus will manifest once again and spread rapidly through the population. Germany is already discovering this. And what exactly is the worry? That the government will turn into a tyranny once they know where we are? As the article points out the government can already track us through our phones if it has the desire to do so, and private companies like Google and Apple and others already know where we are 24/7 (and if you think govenrment intelligence agencies don't have these companies penetrated six ways from sunday you're naive). Besides, you can always delete the app.

Raw case rates and totals are complicated by testing rates and population size, so I look at deaths per million population for comparisons across jurisdictions. The US has about double the death rate (per million) of Canada, not the same. As of Yesterday, May 9 2020 ... USA 242 deaths per million Canada 124 Calif 68 (well below US overall) https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries And if you're comparing US to Canada by taking out NYC (2300 deaths per million), we're taking out Montreal (660 deaths per million). Deaths easier to identify than cases, and COVID deaths are relatively easy to distinguish from other deaths, whether by 1) lab test, 2) CT lung scan, and/or 3) Doctors' diagnosis.* Bungling the numbers is less of a factor in these comparisons. * Note that the uninformed conspiracy video simpletons claiming over-identification of COVID deaths are wrong in saying that a lab test is the only reliable way to diagnose COVID: A lung scan and doctor's diagnosis is much more reliable than test results. Why? Anecdotally, in Montreal, for example, cases of peoples' swabs sat in Public Health Nurses' trunks too long, before they could deliver them to labs, and all were negative - ie, the virus degraded and disappeared in the samples before it could be identified. That's just one of the vulnerabilities of "lab tests". Doctors' diagnoses are preferable, and Covid deaths can be confirmed after death as well.* So you're promoting a falsehood here, bush_cheney. USA private health care is not doing as well as Canadian public health care. Montreal was overwhelmed, but mostly by long term care cases. Elsewhere, hospitals were able to clear enough beds to address hospitalized cases very well. No country has done well in Long Term Care. That is the common failing of all systems. Elders dying excruciating deaths with no family support, elders still living in fear in locked down Covid-ridden facilities ... with no oversight, and no family support. All are dying at rates higher than normal due to neglect or just loss of will to live, without family contact. In Ontario ... questions have to be asked about privatized for-profit long term care facilities, some of which gutted all medical systems and staffing for pandemic plans/preparations to increase profits and shareholder dividends. A public inquiry is being demanded. It appears to be the same in Quebec, and across the country: 80% of Canada's deaths are from Long Term Care homes, the part of our system that has been most heavily privatized. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/no-easy-fix-for-long-term-care-home-problems-highlighted-by-covid-19-1.4932175

According to Canadians, China is leading the world. They plan to build that great Silk Road.

Nooooo! This has only been a very temporary uplift if anything, if we take a look back at the full expanse of the history of species on this planet. An 'uplift' that can only be temporary because it is constructed on unleashing a massive oil industry producing carbon fuels, chemical fertilizers and pesticides/while mining the last large stores of essential components - phosphates for making those fertilizers. So, the sudden huge increase in food/mostly grain production around the world is already bumping up to the limits of production at a time when the Earth's population approaches 8 billion. For a relatively short time, larger numbers of people were able to get enough to eat, But this system of growing has destroyed most of the topsoil in most of the grain belts (including in the US) and used up supplies of groundwater being used for irrigation. Crunch time is on the horizon, and there's nothing to fix or replace this 'green revolution' of 50 years ago. Aside from that, economic measurements like GDP are illusory and do not measure real wealth in poor countries. So, in the Bangladeshi example, millions have been forced off of public lands where they lived for generations by simple but sustainable farming practices. According to GDP numbers, they had almost no income, since they were growing their own food on their own land and selling a small amount of produce at a local market. After being kicked off the land to make way for multinational Big Ag producers....just like throughout Africa and Asia, they migrate to already overcrowded cities, where they are stuck taking lousy sweatshop jobs in dirty and dangerous textile mills making clothes for Walmart and other western buyers. On paper, it looks like they've taken a big leap forward from their rural past, so why don't the majority who made the move to the cities see it that way? Largely because their lives are miserable! They have to spend long hours doing lousy work for low pay, that barely provides a man and a woman enough money to buy poor quality foods at a local market, and pay the rent for some hovel that's barely enough room for a family to turn around in. And now, it's coming to an end in this decade, and even we will see higher food prices this decade because of bad effects from climate change and over-reliance on factory farming.

Yep...you know it is bad when even RGB bitch slaps the 9th circuit.

I can only speak for myself and the specific category I spoke of was titled "Implementing travel restrictions." A restriction is not necessarily an outright ban. Restrictions most certainly did happen. Canada lagged behind the US on them and they were not the only response to the virus where that was the case. As told to you 3 times now without being given any truthful, coherent or relevant reason to doubt the veracity of the specific information, there are more here: https://tnc.news/2020/04/01/trudeau-trailed-behind-trump-by-days-and-even-weeks-in-coronavirus-response/ I'll tell you what though, if you're having problems with that one let's try the Edmonton Journal: They tell us that on March 13 Justin said this: Then on March 16 this happened: https://edmontonjournal.com/news/national/the-road-to-canadas-covid-19-outbreak-pt-3-timeline-of-federal-government-failure-at-border-to-slow-the-virus/ So were there "travel restrictions?" Yes there were. Did Canada's lag behind America's? Yes they did.

Everything China has exhibited to the world shows it as being far more vicious and brutal to its own people than the US has ever dreamed of doing. Further, while the US once threw its weight around more freely throughout the world, particularly in the third world, they were restrained by a free press and democratic values. Their actions abroad were subject to being reported back home, making the voters unhappy and giving ammunition to the other party. China faces no such restraint. It has total control over its media and no opposition politicians. It can threaten, bully and overthrow local governments all its wants without hesitation. Which is probably part of the reason why they're building a bunch of aircraft carriers, to project their military strength abroad. It is already bribing government leaders into signing on for government loans which can't be paid back, then seizing ports and airports in those countries as recompense. And a government willing to roll tanks over its own students is not going to be the least bit restrained in doing it to other nations and their people.

Never had a black person immigrate here and complain about being 'subjugated' so no. You mean their homelands are under the control of corrupt Jamaican bosses.

North American and South American tribes took and kept slaves. African tribes took and kept and sold slaves. The Arabs of north Africa and the middle east did too, so did various Asian nations. Trying to equate it with imperialism is silly.

We live in a world where the sociopaths who have a single-minded, insatiable lust for money and power, are praised and rewarded for their efforts...rather than being shunned...as they would be in more primitive societies where greed and selfishness are considered vices/not virtues.