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South African whites come in two basic flavours...Dutch and British. The Dutch are the ones with the Medieval ties to the sacred land as they term it. High religious component.

Canada forgot that the military is a business. A BIG business that drives the development of nearly every civilian technology we all hold dear. We treat it as a pure liability. We can spend billions on everything but veterans who we hold in a bizarre contempt as a nation.

A lot less Natives in Canada to subjugate, as well. I watched some reports by Lauren Southern out of SA and it does look grim. A genocide in the making. Perhaps Nick Nolte can still play the part of dedicated UN man in the upcoming movie.

It's worse than that...Canada lacks sufficient domestic capital to invest in and capture such markets. As a matter of national policy, Canada has begged for more foreign direct investment to offset this reality. Americans own about 50% of Canada's manufacturing base, and U.S. and other foreigners own 70% of oil/bitumen production. Some Canadians want it both ways....access to the largest economy in the world while hating the country/government at the same time. If Trump goes through with steel and aluminum tariffs, specifically not excluding Canada, it will be another test for Trudeau to "stand up for Canadians" even though dependence on the U.S. has never been greater.

The Arrow project was under capitalized to survive into production, and was doomed without a foreign export market. The same is true today...Canada cannot afford (economically or politically) to invest in the design, development, and production of major defence system platforms. Canada lacks both the means and the will to do so. But Canada still wants a piece of the action (sub contracts), and that is why it has paid hundreds of millions in membership dues for programs like the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Jobs = Votes

Sid Meier's is smarter than you think... It is a game...with winners and losers. Only sore losers don't get to flip over the game board anymore...

Hah...James Bond, I'll say. James Michener wrote one of his sprawling familial novels about both types of families (UK & Dutch) as well as the Zulu. The Covenant...great read and well researched as usual. The Dutch connection goes back to the Dutch East India Trading Company and earlier random voyages around the Cape of Hope. Twilight of the Middle Ages... The Cape was a cursed region to the tribes of the region, apparently. But, I'd need to read-up more as to why exactly. Where the Hudson Bay Company built their fort in this city was considered cursed land by the local tribes...flooding...BIG flooding. Kill you in your sleep flooding. Ascribe a myth to it...

Agreed....and certainly an element of anti-Americanism rolled in as well. As has been discussed before, Canada was ashamed to report U.S. awarding medals to Canadian Forces in Afghanistan, including a world record sniper kill using a McMillan TAC-50.

Zulu Dawn, too.

So what point are you making as it pertains to this situation? Are you saying that it's all hunky dory because of that past injustice? That the only way to right an injustice is to commit a further injustice? I'm not sure if the stat still holds true but South Africa was known as the murder capitol of the world. I'm thinking that what will happen will eclipse the situation that first earned it that title.

The South Africans imported the reserve system from Canada, but they still needed to exploit "black" labour. Canada could abuse and subjugate its "aboriginals" with impunity and without fear of backlash because it imported more like minded people from Europe....and imported Asian slaves to help fill in the gaps.

The U.S. is very much a threat (economically, politically, militarily, etc.) to Canada, and what Canada has done about it is to increase dependence on the Americans. Some "leaders" in Canada considered the election of an isolationist, protectionist President Trump as an existential threat to Canada, but it was true before that. This is one of the reasons that some Canadians watch America so intently ("elephant...mouse")

Eagles are the stupidest bird there is. I had one in my yard that was afraid to fly and another who had a branch break under him and never thought to let go until I yelled at him just before he hit the water. Dumb. and noisy to boot.

No religion gives you the licence to revile others. Isn't that a sin up there with adultery? I don't even have to change the word from the original text to make it say what I want.

Is Trudeau trying to give Trump a run for the money as the West's dumbest, most ignorant, most idiotic leader, a waif abroad who can't be trusted to even dress himself? Can anyone recall a bigger international flub by a Canadian PM than this in the last twenty or thirty years? It's being commented on by the BBC, CNN and Washington Post, as well as other international media. He's becoming an international joke. Prime Minister Wardrobe Malfunction's awful parade of idiocy continues Imagine how India's leader must have reacted upon being apprised of headlines such as 'Trudeau stands by official who suggested Indian factions sabotaged trip' On Tuesday, Trudeau got up in the House of Commons and responded to an Opposition question in such a way as to leave the unavoidable impression that he himself subscribed to the conspiracy theory that Daniel Jean had been cirulating — the one involving elaborately covert black-ops shenanigans orchestrated somewhere down in the dark deep-state catacombs of India’s intelligence agencies. The one that fell apart even before Sarai’s admission, when it was determined that Jaspal Atwal was not suddenly lifted from India’s blacklist and quietly provided with travel documents last summer, as Jean had claimed, but had in fact travelled to India several times since serving a jail term for his part in the attempted assassination of Punjab cabinet minister Malkiat Singh Sidhu on Vancouver Island in 1986. A brief digression: to appreciate just how disastrous all this has been, you’ll want to keep in mind that the only significant purpose of Trudeau’s trip to India in the first place was to cement a healthy working relationship between the law enforcement and intelligence agencies of the two countries. The hope was that Team Trudeau would convince Modi and Amarinder Singh’s state government in Punjab that Canada is a country run by adults who take the threat of Khalistani terrorism seriously. http://nationalpost.com/opinion/terry-glavin-prime-minister-wardrobe-malfunctions-awful-parade-of-idiocy-continues

Jerusalem was sacked by the Romans, then the Muslims, then the Crusaders and then the Muslims. Every prayer book, and the Bible, refers incessantly to Jerusalem. Jerusalem defines Israel the same was Mecca defines Islam and the Vatican defines Roman Catholicism. But the Jews are the ones whose claims are deemed questionable. Go figure

Which ones? I'll hang up and listen. Seems corporate America is standing in where Congress won't with Dicks and Walmart raising the age of buying guns and business cutting ties with the NRA. And Trump accused Congress of being afraid of the NRA yesterday.

Yes you do, remember....like all good blue herons...you don't question how the eagles operate, even if it costs you a few eggs.

I'll help you out there. There are about 10 countries that are ahead of the US. Let;s see we've got El Salvador, Venezuela, Guatemala, Columbia, Honduras, Brazil, Oh yes the US Virgin Islands, Jamaica, Bahamas and lastly Trinidad and Tobago. Well at least they are warm countries. I wonder where they get their guns from.

That's exactly what it is. First we had a week of him playing Mr. Dressup and looking like a freak in all those weird outfits, and then when they get caught with their buddy the terrorist they decide the best excuse is to blame the Indian government for letting him into the country! Almost unbelievable! Now the Indians join the Chinese, Japanese, Australians, and Filipinos in being pissed off at us.

Why didn't Trudeau appoint an "aboriginal" instead ? Surely that identity politics group has suffered far more at the hands of Canadian governments (including scooped babies, torture, sexual assault, and murder). Alas, they never get $10.5 million in settlements...more like $25,000.

Canada already had security certificates and unlimited detention centers....years before the U.S. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/security-certificates-and-secret-evidence-1.777624

The thread started as an attempt to question the right of Jews to call Jerusalem their capital. The people who question this would not question the same claim by Muslims to Mecca or Catholics to Vatican City just Jews. I see no one questioning Siekhs, Hindus, the Bahaiis and others as to where they have set up their central sites of prayer. In fact the argument Jerusalem should be the capital of Palestine is not based on Islam. Islam does not define Jerusalem as it does Mecca or other cities. Its a political issue for Palestinians who don't recognize not just Jerusalem but all of Israel as belonging to Jews. This thread has the intent of questioningIsrael's right to exist as a Jewish state not just in Jerusalem but all of Israel.

I have requisitioned Justin's used, unwashed socks to distribute to his staunchest supporters here on MLW to sniff between their posts. Gotta keep them feeling at home.

No, he really is embarrassing himself - and Canada. It's sad when the country he's visiting is embarrassed to be seem with him, not to mention getting ripped by European press. What started out as cute and fun, seems now to recognized as an illness, a desperate cry for celebrity.

Already discussed in the U.S. Politics "Trump" thread, complete with a map of Israel depicting Jerusalem as its capital. Trump is just executing U.S. policy that has existed for decades, supported by federal law (1995).

Shouldn't Canadians be pledging allegiance to the Crown?