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They were so kind that millions of Chinese, South American, Central American, and Cuban nationals have legally and illegally emigrated to the United States to escape their kindness. Dictator Castro was good for the Trudeau family, not many Cubans.

I have been given a warning point for the above post. I think it's time for me to take a sabbatical from this forum. Good luck dealing with the nutbars that have taken over this place.

Altai is not here for facts scribblet. Altai is here to show us the way to Utopia.

Hmm, I could have sworn that it was little nonsense only. Big nonsense would be reserved for the style of governments that allow them to kill their people at will or lock them up for speaking out against said government.

Right now we enjoy a military...the US military. Without the USA and its military we would not be able to defend our homeland ourselves.

The thread title is a shrieking platitude.

Perhaps the US should send the Clinton over to NK to tell them that when they helped them with nuke reactors, they didn't think NK would send in back in form of a bomb!

My response is for decades we have been poaching the best and brightest from these poor countries. So how in hell are these countries going to get better when all the smart ones are leaving. Time for some tough love and end it .

It's not racist in intent. It is racist primarily because the governing parties prefer newcomers from third world countries. Such people are grateful to the party which brought them in and tend to vote for them. By contrast, people from Europe, who are generally much more politically sophisticated in terms of democracy, are not likely to think the party in power when they arrived is in any way responsible for them getting here, and will vote as they decide, in no predictable order. If you read the OP about "Open" vs "Closed" personality types you will see that Trudeau is a texbook Open type. He has little respect for traditions or sense of patriotism, puts little thought into the future, and loves novelty and change. He doesn't really care much about dull, soulless things like budgets, and will delight in being around as wide a variety of cultures and peoples as possible, so literally does not care how many immigrants or refugees come in. He certainly spares not a thought as to how that might change Canada for the worse. Change is good, if you're an open type. Lorrie Goldstein described Trudeau's feeling in a column not long ago. The federal Liberals always used to talk about Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s “hidden agenda” to remake Canada in his image. So today, let’s discuss Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s open agenda to remake Canada in his. The first hint came when Trudeau told The New York Times Magazine in December, 2015, that, “there is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada,” which makes us “the first postnational state.” Trudeau did add that Canadians have “shared values” such as “openness, respect, compassion, willingness to work hard, to be there for each other, to search for equality and justice.” But in Trudeau’s “postnational” Canada, none of these “shared values” are important enough, apparently, for us to screen potential immigrants and refugees for, to see if they share them as well. Remember the Liberal (and Red Tory) hysteria when Conservative leadership candidate Kellie Leitch suggested we do that? Once you understand this about Trudeau, everything he says and does with regard to his concept of Canada becomes understandable. http://www.torontosun.com/2017/08/05/trudeaus-unhidden-agenda

An Islamic state, of course, where all must follow the laws of Islam.

A lot of that invading was to save people being raped and brutalized by thier own people. Why does everyone want to come here? Because Islam has not YET destroyed our country ,like every other country, that they are involved in. If you were right and they are fighting because of america, then they would be killing westerners, not slaughtering thier own people, raping thier women and children. Did you see the story on the little boy 2-3 yr old being used as a human shield by the same cowards you support, being saved by iraqi special forces and how they look after him. Why do you support people that do such horrendous stuff to children. America has made mistakes, but the good they have brought people all around the world outweighs the bad. So either you are a idiot loser looking for some cause to hold on to, or you are one of them and hate women and is a coward on the largest scale. And another point the one thing we do wrong is immigration, where we poached the best and brightest from these countries that they will never get better. Time to shut down all immigration from muslim and african countries.

The noisiest do not necessarily speak for the majority. The desire for reform is more widespread than you think, though I have no doubt it will be an uphill battle.

I am not that optimistic. I expect Climate Change to decimate us before Islam can reform, and we'll all revert to the same tribal, superstitious and barbaric behavior that has pervaded our history.

Oh ye of little faith! How many women, blacks and gays have been threatened, harassed, beaten and even killed on their way to reforming the society in which they lived? Yet we now live in a very different society than we did 50 or 100 years ago.

Indeed and that is part of the process of reform. Taking the attitude that its not working or doesn't count because there is resistance is short-sighted. No progressive movement has ever been welcomed with open arms by the conservatives or those who believe in the status quo.

I agree with this except very few Muslims want or think Islam is in need of reform. Look at all the death threats reformers get from fellow Muslims. Hirsi is just one example.

Impeachment leading to obstruction of justice indictment. I know that's a little above your legal comprehension but yes. BIGLY.

No I wouldn't call it that. I call it a child trying to survive so he can go back to Toronto and his playstation3.

Dust that was at least 6 years old without any record of custody. Can you say in consequential? But you still completely shy away from my question. Put up or STFU.

OK. I left the UN compound one evening in Lubango, a city in the mountains of southern Angola and headed in the direction of the lights of what I suspected must be a small local community up the hill to the south. I was advised not not do so, but sometimes I prefer interest over advice. So I set off on foot and found a path that led me up to that place. In anticipation of what I thought I might find, and since I had cooking facilities at the house in the compound, I strapped on an empty back pack and sure enough there were a myriad of ladies tending tables of every kind of vegetable and fruit you could think of. And so I shopped, and I did so in a way anyone would at home, but with more fun. I would pick up an onion, have a look, and I would hear one of the ladies close by telling me she had much better onions over here, but it wasn't in a way to fight for sales, but rather to please the customer. And this customer was the only white face in the place. I picked up an onion here, a green pepper there, mangoes, tomatoes, cucumber. During the process one of the men appeared from the back room and asked me where was I from. You could see the lights from the compound from the perch we were on and so I pointed and said well at the moment I am coming from there, but I am a Canadian, and I'm here trying to help the UN figure out who actually won that election. Well with that announcement I was invited into the back rooms to sit and talk with the men and the women at table because they said they had a lot of respect for Canadians. Of all things, a bottle of Scotch whiskey was produced, one of my favorites, and we chatted at length. I finally did head back down that path as I did have to work the next day, and besides having a back pack filled with some lovely organic things to eat, I have some organic thoughts and memories I would not have had I stayed in the compound and watched TV.

You're the one threatening to kill Omar Khadr.

Doesn't matter whether you agree or not.

It's just basic geography....Haitians come from Haiti, not Iraq.

Revolutionizing Islam.

This thread is for grownups, not you, hot enough.

So you say while you enjoy the good life and prosperity the U.S. and allies have brought you. You enjoy the freedom to spout your nonsense because the U.S. and allies fought for your freedom.

This crisis is cause for concern regardless of your political stripe. The unprecedented number of asylum seekers crossing over into Quebec cannot be screened as per the normal procedure and are let loose in Montreal and asked to come back for screening in some two months. No screening for criminal records, terrorist ties, serious communicable disease, nada. http://www.torontosun.com/2017/08/07/trudeaus-lost-all-control-of-our-border-crisis https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/globe-editorial-why-canadas-border-problems-will-only-get-worse-under-donald-trump/article35896530/ So where has Trudeau been while all this has been percolating? Touring Canada hosting fundraisers to enrich the Liberal Party, kayaking and taking selfies with newlyweds in BC, attending Highland Games in a "Sinclair Tartan" kilt,etc. etc.. All very quaint if your country isn't facing a crisis. Why is Trudeau not in Ottawa with his team working on behalf of Canada and Canadians to resolve this debacle?

Because the lawyers determined his case was strong, he'd win, and we would just waste tax dollars/court time by proceeding.

It has come to the point it's almost impossible for rational MLW members to have logical exchanges with the likes of some of those posters. Every thread is being hijacked.

It certainly is, and the "court" in Gitmo failed to declare him an illegal combatant. But that's only one of the many legal frailties that surround his case and convictions, so there are strong arguments to support them being overturned. As a side note though, I'll bet his lawyer/guardian Dennis Edney has had a frank discussion or two with Khadr telling him don't even get a bloody speeding ticket for the time being at least.

I suspect his plea bargained conviction will be tossed out by a REAL court, especially when what he was convicted of were not war crimes during the time they are alleged to have occurred. Andd yes, the evidence he threw the grenade is flimsy and contradictory.

His mother is the only other adult who could be considered responsible, but I doubt very much that there would be any evidence that she she forced Omar into AlQuaeda. That was his father's doing.

His father is dead. It's odd that seemingly intelligent people here don't grasp that in a modern civil society, we don't hold children responsible for the sins or crimes of their fathers or other family members. I'm glad we have laws, because without them I get the feeling we could easily have a rather uncivil lynch mob going after Omar Khadr. I had hoped we had evolved beyond that.

"Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded!"

Unless of course the topic is immigration.

When you are civilized enough to enter a debate then I will debate you. If Canada is so bad then get the hell out. What are you doing here? Enjoying all the benefits that come with it and then attacking the very foundation that brought you all those benefits?

Are there any who are war criminals/terrorists of the Bush, Cheney, Bush, Clinton, ... variety?

Why are you surprised? If you professed a love of Hitler, and espoused Nazi ideological beliefs, even those a little removed from Nazis, you'd have zero hope of election here and no party would touch you. But the same anathema does not apply to extreme left beliefs. You can profess a love of Castro and speak admiringly of Mao, and can spout much the same sort of ideological beliefs as Castro and Mao and Stalin did, and nobody will think you're evil. They might think you're stupid, or quaint, but nobody is going to get angry at you. Even the anti-Zionist thing doesn't bother anyone, even though we all know those who are most zealously anti-Zionist are mostly antisemitic too.

Brexit has also been dubbed as a vote of xenophobia and little-Englanders, perhaps for a good reason, but many people voted for Brexit for exactly opposite reason; why get shackled with the EU when there is the whole wide world out there for you to do business with without the EU getting its share in between.

Oh Christ don't get them started or we'll have another 9/11 thread. Just recognize some people are not stable and ignore them.

Yup. Tell you what: YOU get forced into violence as a child, injured, jailed, 'interrogated', betrayed by the country that has a constitutional duty to ensure 'due process' for you ... I'll bet you'd sue for damages too.

Clue us in once again about those "great things" he has done again. So far he's decided to f**up health care, kissed Putin's arse, and played a lot more golf at taxpayers expense at a rate that far exceeds his predecessor. So let us know what good he is doing.

Imagining for a moment that the Libs and Cons came together and decided to send money out instead of bringing refugees in, how long would it be until Conservatives starting biatching about that money going to foreigners? Not long, I'm thinking. Conservatives already don't like spending on FA, as any perusal of news stories demonstrate. They also don't like to spend on poorer people in country, instead saying things like "get a job, get a better job" and characterizing social assistance recipients as lazy and fraudulent, even when studies demonstrate that fraud is very low. The only "charity" that Conservatives appear to wholeheartedly support is the kind that provides benefits to rich people and corporations. And spending money to keep undesirables out as the support for Kellie Leitch's plan to add more cost to immigration and Harper's plan for a 'tip' line. As Haidt pointed out, Conservatives are fine if poor people and minorities suffer. From my perspective it looks like Conservatives are loyal to financial wealth more than anything else.

To give Argus credit, I think he's tried but it always comes back to religion, specifically Islam. Its an important part of my Canada that we include humanitarian outreach and help those who are suffering. The right-wing focus on only economics and dismissing my values and beliefs about the importance of national commitment to refugees certainly does not endear me to their cause. I can agree that immigrants should be primarily selected based on economic criteria (and 60% are); I can't agree that should be the only criteria or that refugees should not be accepted.

Not universally true. But saying spreads the agenda of hatred and conflict.

Some think so, but that didn't answer my question.

You are as nutty as our resident 9/11 Evil American Empire poster(s).

There have been several motions passed in regards to anti-Semitism over the years, including an extensive document defining what constitutes anti-Semitism. JT (and presumably Harper when he was in power) acknowledges important Jewish dates. There have been two motions regarding anti-Muslim sentiment and JT also acknowledges important Islamic dates; do not know of Harper did or not. So where are Muslims being treated specially, exactly?

Not really. Jews get equally 'special' treatment, since they are also subject to religiously motivated harassment and hate crimes.

Me too! But I like to keep such exclusions to my personal circle, not the entire country. Much as I might find conservatives frustrating and annoying, I also believe they must bring something of value to the country, else why would we have them?