Michael Hardner Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 WIVB Buffalo ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - Same-sex marriage is now legal in New York after Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed a bill that was narrowly passed by state lawmakers Friday, handing activists a breakthrough victory in the state where the gay rights movement was born.New York becomes the sixth state where gay couples can wed and the biggest by far. A watershed moment here. I think it will be interesting to see what pushback, if any, comes of this. Where is the new neutral position for a politician ? Is it "I'm personally against it, but the courts have to follow process" ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Sir Bandelot Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 Where is the new neutral position for a politician ? On their knees. Quote
August1991 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) A watershed moment here. I think it will be interesting to see what pushback, if any, comes of this.Where is the new neutral position for a politician ? Is it "I'm personally against it, but the courts have to follow process" ? Both Connecticut and Massachusetts permit same sex marriage so this is hardly a watershed. I frankly think that in Canada we should have done the same as American states are now doing and left each province to legislate this question in their own way. IMHO, the Canadian Supreme Court erred in extending its interpretation of the Charter in this way. Edited June 25, 2011 by August1991 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted June 25, 2011 Author Report Posted June 25, 2011 Both Connecticut and Massachusetts permit same sex marriage so this is hardly a watershed. I frankly think that in Canada we should have done the same as American states are now doing and left each province to legislate this question in their own way. IMHO, the Canadian Supreme Court erred in extending its interpretation of the Charter in this way. New York state, Auguste. It's a bigger deal. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 New York state, Auguste. It's a bigger deal. Why is it a "bigger deal" ? Is California a "smaller deal" because it has gone the other way? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted June 25, 2011 Author Report Posted June 25, 2011 Why is it a "bigger deal" ? Is California a "smaller deal" because it has gone the other way? When California changes, that will be a big deal. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 When California changes, that will be a big deal. No...it will be a "big deal" when Texas "changes". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted June 25, 2011 Author Report Posted June 25, 2011 No...it will be a "big deal" when Texas "changes". Texas would be a bigger deal, when they change in... oh... 2025 or so. BUT New York is a big deal. I'm glad to see the way this is going in any case. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 Texas would be a bigger deal, when they change in... oh... 2025 or so. BUT New York is a big deal. Nah...New York is not a big deal because it should have already happened there. What took it so long? I'm glad to see the way this is going in any case. It's going the way it has gone for over 15 years....in accordance with law. DOMA still remains as a significant federal impediment. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 WIVB Buffalo A watershed moment here. I think it will be interesting to see what pushback, if any, comes of this. *Yawn* Personally, I couldn't care less. And personally, I don't think there will be much of a pushback at all. It's just not a priority amoung people anymore. Especially these days. Quote
bloodyminded Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 *Yawn* Personally, I couldn't care less. And personally, I don't think there will be much of a pushback at all. It's just not a priority amoung people anymore. Especially these days. I agree. I could be wrong, but my feeling is that resistance to it is on its way out. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
ToadBrother Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) No...it will be a "big deal" when Texas "changes". I'm more wondering what happens when a gay NY couple moves to Texas... Is there are 21st century version of Dredd Scott on the way? Perhaps you're going to have gay states and straight states, and it will boil over into civil war, but the new Abraham Lincoln will have a sense of fashion and a love for showtunes. Edited June 25, 2011 by ToadBrother Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 I'm more wondering what happens when a gay NY couple moves to Texas... Is there are 21st century version of Dredd Scott on the way? DOMA is already facing a dozen court challenges to force the issue to a Supreme Court showdown. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ToadBrother Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 DOMA is already facing a dozen court challenges to force the issue to a Supreme Court showdown. I'll bet the court can't wait for that one... States rights rears its ugly head again. Quote
Shady Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 I'm more wondering what happens when a gay NY couple moves to Texas... Is there are 21st century version of Dredd Scott on the way? Perhaps you're going to have gay states and straight states, and it will boil over into civil war, but the new Abraham Lincoln will have a sense of fashion and a love for showtunes. Please don't try to compare slavery with gay marriage. That type of comparison is completely disingenuious, and kind of disgusting. Quote
Wilber Posted June 26, 2011 Report Posted June 26, 2011 Please don't try to compare slavery with gay marriage. That type of comparison is completely disingenuious, and kind of disgusting. Lighten up Shady, I thought that was quite good. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Guest American Woman Posted June 26, 2011 Report Posted June 26, 2011 Both Connecticut and Massachusetts permit same sex marriage.... As do Iowa, New Hampshire, Vermont and Washington, DC. Quote
jbg Posted June 26, 2011 Report Posted June 26, 2011 New York state, Auguste. It's a bigger deal. What I cannot fathom,for the life of me, is the relationship that the left sees between gay pride and core issues. The problem is that the everyday voter is motivated by his or her bread-and-butter concerns. I am very upset, for example, that the New York legislature, when the financial and employment situation here is dreadful, just wasted months on legalizing gay marriage. Only a small fraction of gays want to marry. This is not the same as their having equal employment rights. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
msj Posted June 26, 2011 Report Posted June 26, 2011 What I cannot fathom,for the life of me, is the relationship that the left sees between gay pride and core issues. The problem is that the everyday voter is motivated by his or her bread-and-butter concerns. I am very upset, for example, that the New York legislature, when the financial and employment situation here is dreadful, just wasted months on legalizing gay marriage. Only a small fraction of gays want to marry. This is not the same as their having equal employment rights. Sometimes the best thing a government can do for an economy is to ignore it. Although I doubt very much that any kind of ignoring has gone on. Of course, the cause of the economy being so poor in the first place is due to idiots on Wall Street (not to mention Greenspan et al in the Fed). But no, let's blame those politicians who are too busy trying to provide equal rights for some "faggots" (I'm sure that's the word you would prefer). Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
sharkman Posted June 26, 2011 Report Posted June 26, 2011 But no, let's blame those politicians who are too busy trying to provide equal rights for some "faggots" (I'm sure that's the word you would prefer). Typical knee-jerk response, throw around some slurs and claim it's coming from the other side. jbg, good point, I hope that New Yorkers vote with their pocket books in 2012. The economy will be a lot worse by then. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted June 26, 2011 Author Report Posted June 26, 2011 What I cannot fathom,for the life of me, is the relationship that the left sees between gay pride and core issues. The problem is that the everyday voter is motivated by his or her bread-and-butter concerns. The cynical view might be that Republicans can't count on making advances with this issue, so they've thrown their ostensible principles away on the excuse that the economy is 'priority'. I am very upset, for example, that the New York legislature, when the financial and employment situation here is dreadful, just wasted months on legalizing gay marriage. Only a small fraction of gays want to marry. This is not the same as their having equal employment rights. Again, there are plenty of examples of people 'wasting time' on useless legislation - even this issue - thanks to Republicans as well as Democrats. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bloodyminded Posted June 26, 2011 Report Posted June 26, 2011 And if the economy never improves to some sufficient level--a level to remain unstated, so a forever malleable benchmark--no rights issues should ever be resolved. The tautology is perfect. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Shady Posted June 26, 2011 Report Posted June 26, 2011 I think the most significant aspect of the issue is that it was passed through the legislature. The way it should be. And not forced down on people by unelected judges, writing their own law. Quote
msj Posted June 26, 2011 Report Posted June 26, 2011 (edited) And if the economy never improves to some sufficient level--a level to remain unstated, so a forever malleable benchmark--no rights issues should ever be resolved. The tautology is perfect. Yep. Let's just hope that "we" never fall into one of "those" groups: homosexuals, blacks, hispanics, gypsies, jews etc.... But then, we all know that it's a choice to be a homosexual or jewish! Edited June 26, 2011 by msj Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Shady Posted June 26, 2011 Report Posted June 26, 2011 Yep. Let's just hope that "we" never fall into one of "those" groups: homosexuals, blacks, hispanics, gypsies, jews etc.... Or an unborn baby. Quote
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