Personal and generalized attacks

[scribblet]

Not to question 9/11 and all it's anomolies and all it's cover-ups (especially when you have high level gov't officials pointing them out) is freaking delusional. And you, you and all your war-mongering humanity-hating friends, are supremely freaking delusional.

Excuse me, but you are over the top on this response which does not deserve a reply which would give it some credibility.

[sunsettommy]

LOL,

Just report the personal attacks and violations to the Moderators.

It is that simple.

[Frankie]

I didn't know who to point this out too, so I wrote it here for maybe everyone in the forum to read. I really enjoy reading the forums, and would like to post more often, but was wondering what kind of people are on this forum. I noticed many reply to controversial topics in an immature way. I was wondering if there was a way to enforce a more mature forum. I mean, I noticed people usually attack the person they're replying to, rather than attack the issue, and when people make statements, they demand proof, when in a proper debate if they don't believe in a statement, the accuser should be finding his/her own facts and information to disprove them. It's just proper debate etiquette. Also a person should be allowed to bring any issue to the table, whether you believe true or not, and whether they provide significant information or not. The reader can decide to reply, and if they do, it's their duty to disprove or agree with the poster. If they just say, "You're an idiot, where are your facts!" they shouldn't be posting that kind of response in the first place. Also aggressive questions should be kept to a minimum unless needed to clarify something. Again, it's proper debate etiquette.

I don't want to make it seem like I'm a master debater or anything, but certain type of conduct like I mentioned above, in this forum, is a turn off to guest readers and new members, which I've been made aware of.

I think it would be a better discussion and debate forum if people practiced better conduct.

Edited October 29, 2007 by Frankie

[buffycat]

Hello Frankie,

I agree with your heartfelt post 100%.

IMO this problem is due to an extreme double standard wrt certain members on this board. This contributes to an overall attitude which does not encourage true discussion and debate.

Sad eh?

[Michael Hardner]

There is no double standard from what I can see.

The moderators here are a politically neutral as the board itself, although some members (of both political coats) continually insist otherwise.

[margrace]

There is no double standard from what I can see.

The moderators here are a politically neutral as the board itself, although some members (of both political coats) continually insist otherwise.

Bullying in the schools in Ontario is a continual news item, zero tolerance is supposed to be the answer but you can never have that because is takes a bully (parent) to create a bully. Bullies are raised, it is how it has always been and will be because they do not believe others have the same rights as them. The freedom to present their beliefs as they see it. Its the way they were raised. It would be nice if we had a dabate but it seems that common sense discussion is beyond the understanding of some.

[shavluk]

***quote I don't want to make it seem like I'm a master debater or anything, but certain type of conduct like I mentioned above, in this forum, is a turn off to guest readers and new members, which I've been made aware of.****end quote

master debater ? haha well say it ,,, I would like to side on the more secure progressive side where we have to provide links for ridiculous statements here

[Moxie]

I read all the Canadian Forums and this is the only forum where the Liberals and the Cons are treated fairly, I realise that the left feel victimized when their view point isn't front and center but sadly they always abuse anyone who doesn't follow their line of thinking. I like the forum as it is, if one wants a boring sniviling and trite point of view go to a hard left forum or a hard right forum. They both ensure that an apposing view will be banned in mere seconds. If you want to discuss "Bread Makers" or "Sex" or "Porn" this is not the forum (thank god) for you. If you want validation get a parking ticket.

P.S. What makes a master debator? Well excluding the narcissist of course, they all believe we can't survive without them. Dah, we blossom without them.

[ScottSA]

when people make statements, they demand proof, when in a proper debate if they don't believe in a statement, the accuser should be finding his/her own facts and information to disprove them. It's just proper debate etiquette.

No it's not. If I claim pixies are in my underwear, the burden of proof lies with me to prove it, or else I'm simply flapping my gums. The burden of proof lies with the positive claimant. If, on the other hand, someone submits an opinion, and names it as such, then "proof" is irrelevant and not called for.

[Frankie]

No it's not. If I claim pixies are in my underwear, the burden of proof lies with me to prove it, or else I'm simply flapping my gums. The burden of proof lies with the positive claimant. If, on the other hand, someone submits an opinion, and names it as such, then "proof" is irrelevant and not called for.

Yah that is true, I understand what you mean. And you can of course ask for citations, but the person has freedom of speech and can say anything they want, without the need for proof at the instant. But I meant when people don't see proof, citations, or don't believe there is proof, and immediately attack the poster saying his statement is not true for not having such things, when they can politely ask, or do they're own research before bashing something they don't know anything about.

Edited October 30, 2007 by Frankie

[Mr.Canada]

I know it's hard for people to not attack people personally as that is largely what some do with some of these drive by smear campaigns. If someone has something to say to someone personally send them a pm. Lets leave the boards of the real topics.

The rules state that personal attacks are not allowed so c'mon guys let's stick to the issues and drive up the presence of this great forum MLW. Together we can do it, it's up to all of us.

[Sir Bandelot]

I know it's hard for people to not attack people personally as that is largely what some do with some of these drive by smear campaigns. If someone has something to say to someone personally send them a pm. Lets leave the boards of the real topics.

The rules state that personal attacks are not allowed so c'mon guys let's stick to the issues and drive up the presence of this great forum MLW. Together we can do it, it's up to all of us.

I agree but why are the rules not being enforced? People should receive warnings. i think the warnings should be public too, visible here to all in the forums, so others will know whats not to be tolerated. Making it public adds some humiliation to the offender, which will also help them to keep it down.

Not saying I have not made some offensive statements sometimes... hard not to when theres so much of it going on. I would be more than happy to stick closely to the rules, knowing I will not be frequently insulted.

Edited November 5, 2008 by Sir Bandelot

[Mr.Canada]

I agree but why are the rules not being enforced? People should receive warnings. i think the warnings should be public too, visible here to all in the forums, so others will know whats not to be tolerated. Making it public adds some humiliation to the offender, which will also help them to keep it down.

Not saying I have not made some offensive statements sometimes... hard not to when theres so much of it going on. I would be more than happy to stick closely to the rules, knowing I will not be frequently insulted.

I am personally attacked everyday and have done nothing until; this evening. Nothing ever happens to them so I guess they aren't enforced as strongly as they could be. Maybe the mods are busy.

[Sir Bandelot]

I am personally attacked everyday and have done nothing until; this evening. Nothing ever happens to them so I guess they aren't enforced as strongly as they could be. Maybe the mods are busy.

If you are reporting it, the mods (think theres only one guy) send them PM's after they review the message. Thats why you don't hear anything.

But I support public floggings. Then you and everyone else sees what happens to the transgressors.

maybe they should get some more mods. How about you, Mr. Canada. You seem to care enough to try and take action.

Edited November 5, 2008 by Sir Bandelot

[Charles Anthony]

If somebody "attacks" you or violates the forum rules, please just report the post and ignore that member. Let the moderators deal with it. From this point onward, the situation is handled as discretely as possible between the moderators and the offender.

Just follow the forum rules and you will be fine. The focus of the moderation is to encourage all members to follow the rules and foster civilized debate. Do not expect a public flogging or a disciplinary report. That is just the way it is around here.

The moderating team is made up of two guys: Greg and myself.

[Mr.Canada]

If somebody "attacks" you or violates the forum rules, please just report the post and ignore that member. Let the moderators deal with it. From this point onward, the situation is handled as discretely as possible between the moderators and the offender.

Just follow the forum rules and you will be fine. The focus of the moderation is to encourage all members to follow the rules and foster civilized debate. Do not expect a public flogging or a disciplinary report. That is just the way it is around here.

The moderating team is made up of two guys: Greg and myself.

OK great, thanks. Some users cannot grasp the rules of this forum and cannot resist the temptation of attacking me. It's like heroin to them.

[jefferiah]

Hollus I don't know what the answer is to that. There are some posters who think debate is attack and calling names.

Do you mean posters who accuse others of being paid by the Conservative Party to post here?

[Oleg Bach]

It does not matter if persons are paid or provide the service of debate and informed discussion. I spent a year on an American site - and there attempted to ban certain members for participating in personal attacks and for using foul language - because it was a "free speech" site - all sorts of nasty things were allowed and the disrupters were naturally weeded out over time - The system worked fine - either you have free speech or you do not! If you can not handle an aggressive and mindless idiot with your mind and speech then perhaps you are to weak to participate here - to electronically legislate and ban those that irritate you will debase Mapleleafweb...You have to hold your own here.

[Leafless]

It does not matter if persons are paid or provide the service of debate and informed discussion. I spent a year on an American site - and there attempted to ban certain members for participating in personal attacks and for using foul language - because it was a "free speech" site - all sorts of nasty things were allowed and the disrupters were naturally weeded out over time - The system worked fine - either you have free speech or you do not! If you can not handle an aggressive and mindless idiot with your mind and speech then perhaps you are to weak to participate here - to electronically legislate and ban those that irritate you will debase Mapleleafweb...You have to hold your own here.

Personal attacks is hate speech designed to degrade or intimidate.

Moderators have a direct duty to prevent these type of attacks and should take the appropriate action to prevent this type of abuse.

Hate speech in the way of personal attacks has little to do with free speech or the topic of discussion and in a civilized form should not be tolerated.

[kengs333]

There's definitely double standards here: now making a sarcastic remark about another poster's barbaric notions of murdering innocent civilians constitutes a "personal attack" and "trolling" is beyond me...

[kengs333]

Hate speech in the way of personal attacks has little to do with free speech or the topic of discussion and in a civilized form should not be tolerated.

Define "hate speech," though... the most caustic and hateful comments that I've seen here are directed towards whites and Christianity--and nothing is done about it.

[Charles Anthony]

A few posts have been deleted from this thread because they were divulging personal information about forum members without the consent of the members in question.

If anybody attempts to convey personal information of an other member, posting privileges will be suspended.

Moderators have a direct duty to prevent these type of attacks and should take the appropriate action to prevent this type of abuse.

Prevention is out of the question because your post is made public as soon as you reply. We do not hold posts in queue for moderation and approval before they are visible.

[Army Guy]

Sorry Charles but Mr, keng has either got a huge pair of brass nuts, or is metally challanged...claiming not to know the difference between attacks, or trolling.....calling them sarcastic remarks is a joke....insulting mine and your intelligence.

I've taken his attacks with a grain of salt, but for him to address you complaining about a double standard is the last straw....

[Oleg Bach]

To provoke means to call forth - once the enemy has caused you to move forward they control you - I thought you were a soldier - do not be moved and hold your ground. Emotion is your weakness. Call this a personal attack if you wish - and it is..but you will surive - now carry on.

[kengs333]

Sorry Charles but Mr, keng has either got a huge pair of brass nuts, or is metally challanged...claiming not to know the difference between attacks, or trolling.....calling them sarcastic remarks is a joke....insulting mine and your intelligence.

I've taken his attacks with a grain of salt, but for him to address you complaining about a double standard is the last straw....

I'm sure this won't contitute a "personal attack" either...

I've heard the trolling bit enough times in my years on message boards to know that the accusation is simply used by people who can't stand people having an opposing viewpoint. Also, the fact that members like M.Dancer, with 95% of his or her posts consisting of purely off-topic sarcastic remarks, never seems to be bequethed with the appelation "troll" seems odd. Looks to me like you got a bit of a double standard going there, Army Boy.