Smallc Posted April 29, 2009 Report Posted April 29, 2009 You can practice your own religion & be proud of your original culture, but they are Americans and proud to be American & feel a part of the country. Huh, you've just described the way we do multiculturalism. Quote
Leafless Posted April 29, 2009 Author Report Posted April 29, 2009 IMO, the U.S. does it right in this case. You can practice your own religion & be proud of your original culture, but they are Americans and proud to be American & feel a part of the country. Canada is different. We demand little loyalty, produce little Canadian culture or pride. A quote from Harry S. Truman: Harry S. Truman"The fundamental basis of this nation's laws was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and Saint Matthew, from Isaiah and Saint Paul. I don't think we emphasize that enough these days. If we don't have a proper fundamental moral background, we will finally end up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the State!" Thats what we pretty much have here in Canada, a totalitarian type government where the State dictates rights and interprets and decides who will get them. Old Harry was right. Quote
jbg Posted April 29, 2009 Report Posted April 29, 2009 A quote from Harry S. Truman:Thats what we pretty much have here in Canada, a totalitarian type government where the State dictates rights and interprets and decides who will get them. Old Harry was right. I'm pleasantly surprised to see you quoting a liberal Democrat (which I am as well). Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Leafless Posted April 29, 2009 Author Report Posted April 29, 2009 I'm pleasantly surprised to see you quoting a liberal Democrat (which I am as well). GWB has a strong Christian attachment also. Here is a 'Thankgiving Day' quote: "In want or in plenty, in times of challenge or times of calm, we always have reasons to be thankful. America is a land of abundance, prosperity, and hope. ...This Thanksgiving, we again give thanks for all of our blessings and for the freedoms we enjoy every day. Our Founders thanked the Almighty and humbly sought His wisdom and blessing. May we always live by that same trust, and may God continue to watch over and bless the United States of America." --President George W. Bush Good stuff for the country and is nice to hear. Quote
Radsickle Posted April 30, 2009 Report Posted April 30, 2009 GWB has a strong Christian attachment also.Here is a 'Thankgiving Day' quote: Good stuff for the country and is nice to hear. Patriarchal, manipulatively Christian crap is good stuff for the country, eh? GWB was good for his country?! Glad it's not Canada, man. Quote
Radsickle Posted April 30, 2009 Report Posted April 30, 2009 back to the point though... the show trial must go on!!! Khadr's trial to resume in June Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted April 30, 2009 Report Posted April 30, 2009 Huh, you've just described the way we do multiculturalism. No, you just took a snippet from my comments and forgot to include the comparison point i made afterward. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
benny Posted April 30, 2009 Report Posted April 30, 2009 Don't agree with Leafless often, but he has a point here. The way we do multiculturalism in Canada isn't healthy for a country. Its gone a bit too far. Not assimilating is not healthy for anyone. The way it is now, many immigrant Canadians are more loyal to their former country than to Canada. We've seen in Canada how much a simple thing like language/culture can be such a problem for a country. Many Quebecers feel more french than Canadian. Multiply that but dozens of more sub-cultures.IMO, the U.S. does it right in this case. You can practice your own religion & be proud of your original culture, but they are Americans and proud to be American & feel a part of the country. Canada is different. We demand little loyalty, produce little Canadian culture or pride. The problem is that terrorists are ready to fake or simulate loyalty to come to Canada. Quote
Leafless Posted April 30, 2009 Author Report Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) Patriarchal, manipulatively Christian crap is good stuff for the country, eh? GWB was good for his country?!Glad it's not Canada, man. I suppose manipulative, perpetually promoted, federally worshipped, problamatic culture crap is good stuff for the country. If this is supposed replace Christianity I'll take God anytime. Canada is a majority Christian country despite the failure of Canadian politicians to recognize and respect this FACT. Edited April 30, 2009 by Leafless Quote
benny Posted April 30, 2009 Report Posted April 30, 2009 I suppose manipulative, perpetual culture crap is good stuff for the country. If this is supposed replace Christianity I'll take God anytime. Canada is a majority Christian country. Christ, I think, would be more patient with the terrorists than with those waging war on them. Quote
Molly Posted April 30, 2009 Report Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) I don't really think that it IS fair to say that Canada is a 'majority Christian country'. Fewer than a third of Canadians attend ANY religious services even as often as once a month. (Of those who actually practice any religion, the majority are seniours who are rapidly dying off, and/or immigrants, who aren't all that likely to be Christian.) It would therefore be more accurate to say that Canada is a majority agnostic nation, or a majority secular nation. Edited April 30, 2009 by Molly Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
benny Posted April 30, 2009 Report Posted April 30, 2009 I don't really think that it IS fair to say that Canada is a 'majority Christian country'. Fewer than a third of Canadians attend ANY religious services even as often as once a month. (Of those who actually practice any religion, the majority are seniours who are rapidly dying off, and/or immigrants, who aren't all that likely to be Christian.) It would therefore be more accurate to say that Canada is a majority agnostic nation, or a majority secular nation. A lot of Canadians, confronted to terrorist actions, are rediscovering Christianity. Quote
Leafless Posted April 30, 2009 Author Report Posted April 30, 2009 Christ, I think, would be more patient with the terrorists than with those waging war on them. I really don't think Christ (son of God) would have any sympathy for terrorist (murders of innocent men, women and children). God and his son, Jesus Christ are one. Jesus Christ was God who came to Earth in the form of man. In this form, a living man as Jesus Christ, God walked, lived, and died amongst us. http://www.pcjrproductions.com/ccjrmain.html Quote
benny Posted April 30, 2009 Report Posted April 30, 2009 I really don't think Christ (son of God) would have any sympathy for terrorist (murders of innocent men, women and children). I think that suicide bombers are a lot like Jesus; they hope and know that their deaths would trigger violent events worldwide. Quote
jbg Posted April 30, 2009 Report Posted April 30, 2009 I think that suicide bombers are a lot like Jesus; they hope and know that their deaths would trigger violent events worldwide. I am not Christian, but I am horrified to think that Jesus would have wanted senseless, random, purposeless events anywhere. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Leafless Posted April 30, 2009 Author Report Posted April 30, 2009 I don't really think that it IS fair to say that Canada is a 'majority Christian country'. Canada is a majority Christian country. Overview: Canada still predominantly Roman Catholic and ProtestantSeven out of every 10 Canadians identify themselves as either Roman Catholic or Protestant, according to new data from the 2001 Census Roman Catholic 12,793,125 43.2 12,203,625 45.2 4.8 Protestant 8,654,845 29.2 9,427,675 34.9 -8.2 Christian Orthodox 479,620 1.6 387,395 1.4 23.8 Christian, not included elsewhere2 780,450 2.6 353,040 1.3 121.1 Muslim 579,640 2.0 253,265 0.9 128.9 Jewish 329,995 1.1 318,185 1.2 3.7 Buddhist 300,345 1.0 163,415 0.6 83.8 Hindu 297,200 1.0 157,015 0.6 89.3 Sikh 278,415 0.9 147,440 0.5 88.8 No religion 4,796,325 16.2 3,333,245 12.3 43.9 1. For comparability purposes, 1991 data are presented according to 2001 boundaries. 2. Includes persons who report "Christian", as well as those who report "Apostolic", "Born-again Christian" and "Evangelical". http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/P.../rel/canada.cfm Fewer than a third of Canadians attend ANY religious services even as often as once a month. (Of those who actually practice any religion, the majority are seniours who are rapidly dying off, and/or immigrants, who aren't all that likely to be Christian.) This is secularist propaganda. How many times one attends Christian services is totally inconsequential as compared to identifing himself/herself as a Christian. It would therefore be more accurate to say that Canada is a majority agnostic nation, or a majority secular nation. This is nothing more than secularist propaganda and is NOT more accurate as statistics do not indicate this. Quote
benny Posted April 30, 2009 Report Posted April 30, 2009 I am not Christian, but I am horrified to think that Jesus would have wanted senseless, random, purposeless events anywhere. Bin Laden is basically insisting for justice. Quote
jbg Posted April 30, 2009 Report Posted April 30, 2009 Bin Laden is basically insisting for justice. Benny, I'm sure I'd like your sense of humor. Mine's a bit ironic also. Unless you're totally off the deep end, rather than joking, of course. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
benny Posted April 30, 2009 Report Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) Benny, I'm sure I'd like your sense of humor. Mine's a bit ironic also.Unless you're totally off the deep end, rather than joking, of course. On tapes, bin Laden insists that all Arabs own the Middle Eastern oil. Edited April 30, 2009 by benny Quote
Leafless Posted April 30, 2009 Author Report Posted April 30, 2009 On tapes, bin Laden insists that all Arabs own the Middle Eastern oil. Is Bin Laden an Arab? So what Arabs is Bin Laden talking about that own Middle Eastern oil? And what exactly are you talking about? What is your point? Quote
benny Posted April 30, 2009 Report Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) Osama bin Laden is a member of the prominent Saudi bin Laden family. Bin Laden has consistently dwelt on the need for violent jihad to right what he believes are injustices against Muslims perpetrated by the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden Edited April 30, 2009 by benny Quote
Oleg Bach Posted April 30, 2009 Report Posted April 30, 2009 The Khadrs should understand - they are on Canadian soil - they have joined our family...disloyalty will not be tolerated...much like a wife or husband - you either weaken the faimily (nation) or you make it stronger - they had better do this quick - they had better make themselves members or be completely destroyed = you can not tolerate a cancer in the system..It is up to them - You are Canadian or you are not - if you are NOT ----------------------------------------------get out! Quote
Radsickle Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 The Khadrs should understand - they are on Canadian soil - they have joined our family...disloyalty will not be tolerated...much like a wife or husband - you either weaken the faimily (nation) or you make it stronger - they had better do this quick - they had better make themselves members or be completely destroyed = you can not tolerate a cancer in the system..It is up to them - You are Canadian or you are not - if you are NOT ----------------------------------------------get out! Oleg, you know it was Omar's Dad who was Canada's problem. Let's not blame the child for his Dad's mistakes. (Thanks for trying to get back on topic though) Quote
benny Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 Oleg, you know it was Omar's Dad who was Canada's problem. Let's not blame the child for his Dad's mistakes.(Thanks for trying to get back on topic though) Breaking the intimate link between abusive fathers and their sons is a basic task that any good society should be eager to bring about. Quote
Radsickle Posted May 1, 2009 Report Posted May 1, 2009 ohh, Benny wants to be a psychoanalyst.... but he's right; Canada should jump at this chance. Quote
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