Khadr should make us ashamed to be Canadian

[Leafless]

Some on the right might want to bring back the lynch mob. That was frontier justice.

And exactly what crime will Khadr be charged with in 'land of the free' Canada?

[jbg]

I suppose we could be more like our neighbour to the south, the one with the highest documented incarceration rate in the entire world-- three times the rate of the next in line. Compared to that, ANYONES justice system would be considered limp-wristed!

It's really very simple. Most crimes are committed by people between the ages of 15 and 30. Once they've taken that path they need to be off the street until they've "outgrown" criminality. Our crime rates match closely the ups and downs of that age group. I will say, though, that concentrating on busts for minor crimes and computerized allocation of police resources has been a big help in reducing our crime rate measurably.

Unfortunately, Canada has a legal system.

I think you meant to say "only a legal system".

[jdobbin]

And exactly what crime will Khadr be charged with in 'land of the free' Canada?

What crime do you think he should be charged with? Or do you really need one?

[Leafless]

I think you meant to say "only a legal system".

That is for certain.

That is what we need down here, meaningful prison terms.

This is why the U.S. incarceration appears so high is that criminals are behind bars longer.

One of the criticisms of the United States system is that it has much longer sentences than any part of the world. Even though other countries have more prisoners annually, the fact that the United States keeps their prisoners longer causes the total rate to become higher. To give an example, the average burglary sentence in the United States is 16 months, compared to Canada's 5 month and England's 7 month average

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...arceration_rate

[Leafless]

What crime do you think he should be charged with? Or do you really need one?

The crime falls under U.S. jurisdiction and criminal prosecution lies with the U.S. justice system.

Further more, Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon accuses Omar Khadr, by way of television newscast footage linking his alleged bomb-making to the death of a young female soldier from Quebec on the day she was being buried.

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/624354

[jdobbin]

The crime falls under U.S. jurisdiction and criminal prosecution lies with the U.S. justice system.

And they have not gone had an easy time making a case of it and even if he is convicted, he will likely be released for a variety of reasons including being underage at the time, time served already in detention or problems in regards to legal representation and possible torture.

In other words, he is likely to be deported back to Canada and we have made little or no effort to address what will happen when that occurs.

Further more, Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon accuses Omar Khadr, by way of television newscast footage linking his alleged bomb-making to the death of a young female soldier from Quebec on the day she was being buried.

And he backed away from that outrageous statement just as fast.

[Topaz]

We can have our say and our opinions and the Feds can have their too BUT no one knows what the facts are and until he has some kind of trial to prove his guilt or innocence, Khadr should come back to Canada. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...fghanistan/home

[Oleg Bach]

When you start to get suicides and homocides within our armed forces it means that something is drastically wrong - we have no buisness being there..we are there because some of our rich buisness types are working in tandum with their American counter parts - adventure and profit..plus these bored rich people that control our governments get a kick out of killing people..It does not matter if it is "enemy" or our own people - as long as someone is dying they feel powerful - that is what this is about - so some jerks can say he is a total success on the planet earth - that he can kill indirectly and no one knows - I say stop the slaughter of our soldiers..who are mostly Christians - they say they hate Muslims ---but the powers that be hate CHRISTIANS EVEN MORE!

[Rue]

Decent Candians should roll that blog up and shove it in his rectoid. What a waste of time that was to read.

Not a thing in that blog pertains to Canadians as a whole. Do we have undesireables? Of course, every country has them. His answer is to throw the baby out with the bath water. Idiotic.

And third world ? Oh yeah, we are spiralling fast to that now arent we???

He needs to see anger management , and while he is at it, a psychiatrist too.

That as not very decent of you to say.

[Rue]

We can have our say and our opinions and the Feds can have their too BUT no one knows what the facts are and until he has some kind of trial to prove his guilt or innocence, Khadr should come back to Canada. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...fghanistan/home

I agree with you. There should be a trial in Canada or what I believe should have in fact actually happened in the first place myself and I know you probably may not agree with, Kadr should have been held as a prisoner of war.

I believe the U.S. frigged it up by trying to create a new domestic civilian law with military like qualities which violated the U.S. constitution and was rejected three times by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Based on the current domestic laws of Canada and absence of international laws to the contrary, Canada is legally obligated to take him back and try him. At best all the current political regime can do is stall that. The Supreme Court of Canada has already made what you said a fait accompli and tied the current government's hands and said keep their political beliefs and partisan agenda out of the legal system.

Can't say I give 2 sh..ts what happens to Kadr but I do care that the legal system is properly followed and adhered to because others who are innocent could suffer if we don't follow the law properly and violate basic fundamental legal precepts simply because Kadr is what he was and may still be.

That said the Canadian legal system needs no lecture from anyone or some poster confusing his own political partisan views with what the role and function of the judiciary is.

The judiciary's role is to assure legal procedures and doctrine are applied as per the rules and precepts set out in the Charter and they have to date on the Kadr matter.

I may not agree with Harper's approach on this one and consider him blinded by his ideology and distrust of the law and legal process but Harper has done nothing illegal and if we don't agree with what he did we can vote him out. We need not apologize to anyone for anything.

Some people have no idea what it is to live in a country where its actions are truly dispicable let alone in need of apology. Some of us run off at the mouth the moment we disagree with our politicians and disparage all of Canada and all Canadians.

To me such a blame game is needless melo dramatic prattle characteristic of someone who becomes so melodramatic precisely because they have it good thanks to the very system they criticize.

The G-Bay legal process and prison was flawed and legally unacceptable from the get go but the finger can be pointed at a lot of people, particularly those in the Bush regime not just Harper.

I personally believe Harper should have followed what the British did when they took their prisoners out of G-Bay. That to me was a serious political mistake but not something Canada need apologize for-it was a political call Harper made and he wishes to stand by it and continue to stand by it.

The Supreme Court has given him his marching orders. He is not stupid. He knows he can appeal or bring Kadr home. No one suggested Harper is going to break the law or flaunt it. The law may work slowly but it will work in this case to bring Kadr in front of the appropriate legal system and lest anyone pee their pants over Kadr he will be given legal credit for any day he served.

Edited April 27, 2009 by Rue

[noahbody]

Some on the right might want to bring back the lynch mob. That was frontier justice.

Some on the left might be pedophiles who believe instead of prison they should get to serve their sentences as mascots at Disneyland hugging children.

Edited April 27, 2009 by noahbody

[jdobbin]

Some on the left might be pedophiles who believe instead of prison they should get to serve their sentences as mascots at Disneyland hugging children.

Some on the right want to dispense with the courts and the police so they can kick down doors and root out crime in the bedrooms of the nation, go after immigrants for being the wrong colour and religion and to mete down the death penalty for anyone trying to make a left turn at an intersection.

[Leafless]

And he backed away from that outrageous statement just as fast.

That was relating to an appeal as the Conservatives are undecided.

Relating to Khadr building the bomb--"meant to make an indirect link to the "kind of bomb . . . the IED type of bomb that he is building".

[Leafless]

Some on the right want to dispense with the courts and the police so they can kick down doors and root out crime in the bedrooms of the nation, go after immigrants for being the wrong colour and religion and to mete down the death penalty for anyone trying to make a left turn at an intersection.

Having nightmares jdobbin, or perhaps a guilty conscience.

[jdobbin]

That was relating to an appeal as the Conservatives are undecided.

Relating to Khadr building the bomb--"meant to make an indirect link to the "kind of bomb . . . the IED type of bomb that he is building".

Actually, it was a statement he stopped repeating since it could lead to influencing his court case.

[jdobbin]

Having nightmares jdobbin, or perhaps a guilty conscience.

Are any of these things you might want to do?

[Leafless]

Are any of these things you might want to do?

I don't break the law.

But in saying this I must admit I am no fan of problamatic multiculturalism, especially the way it is played out in Canada.

Some people might complain about the high incarceration rate in the U.S., but I can see the same type of occurrence happening (for different reasons) in Canada due to unconditional tolerance.

Unconditional tolerance=intolerance=crime.

[Radsickle]

I don't break the law.

But in saying this I must admit I am no fan of problamatic multiculturalism, especially the way it is played out in Canada.

Some people might complain about the high incarceration rate in the U.S., but I can see the same type of occurrence happening (for different reasons) in Canada due to unconditional tolerance.

Unconditional tolerance=intolerance=crime.

Tolerance: the appreciation of diversity and the ability to live and let others live.

Intolerance: lack of tolerance; unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs, persons of different races or backgrounds, etc.

I can't tolerate your sophistic equation; 2 plus 2 does not equal five and tolerance isn't the cause of crime.

But intolerance might be why Canada's treated Omar like a 2nd class citizen.

Edited April 28, 2009 by Radsickle

[jdobbin]

But in saying this I must admit I am no fan of problamatic multiculturalism, especially the way it is played out in Canada.

What kind of culture are you a fan of?

[Radsickle]

... the blaming kind.

[Leafless]

Tolerance: the appreciation of diversity and the ability to live and let others live.

Intolerance: lack of tolerance; unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs, persons of different races or backgrounds, etc.

I can't tolerate your sophistic equation; 2 plus 2 does not equal five and tolerance isn't the cause of crime.

Obviously you are the other breed of Canadian incapable of understanding the basics of a country.

Edited April 28, 2009 by Leafless

[Leafless]

What kind of culture are you a fan of?

The culture the government now betrays.

[Radsickle]

Obviously you are the other breed of Canadian incapable of understanding the basics of a country.

Whatever, buddy. Seems you've got us all figured out. If only we could be so enlightened.

[Leafless]

Whatever, buddy. Seems you've got us all figured out. If only we could be so enlightened.

No, not ALL Candians just the arrogant ones like you who think you don't have to respect the majority culture of Canada, never assimilate and do your own little thing in your little foreign enclave with your other misfits.

[Moonlight Graham]

No, not ALL Candians just the arrogant ones like you who think you don't have to respect the majority culture of Canada, never assimilate and do your own little thing in your little foreign enclave with your other misfits.

Don't agree with Leafless often, but he has a point here. The way we do multiculturalism in Canada isn't healthy for a country. Its gone a bit too far. Not assimilating is not healthy for anyone. The way it is now, many immigrant Canadians are more loyal to their former country than to Canada. We've seen in Canada how much a simple thing like language/culture can be such a problem for a country. Many Quebecers feel more french than Canadian. Multiply that but dozens of more sub-cultures.

IMO, the U.S. does it right in this case. You can practice your own religion & be proud of your original culture, but they are Americans and proud to be American & feel a part of the country. Canada is different. We demand little loyalty, produce little Canadian culture or pride.