Why Doesn't the US Respect Canada More?

Kitch · November 5, 2008

The topic is a very good question. It's hard to believe that the USA wouldn't respect Canada isn't it? I don't think any politicians have ever said anything non flattering about the Americans have they?

I don't know bud, you seem to like to over generalize when you refer to 'Canadians', 'Americans', 'Liberals', etc. I sure hope that people living in the U.S. don't see this thread and assume that you are the standard of a 'Canadian'... or else I wouldn't blame anyone for not taking us seriously.

I don't enjoy putting people down but MAN, you whine a WHOLE lot. You accuse people of the same illogical discussion tactics that you've steadily employed. You're uncompromising, except in jest, and your views are so narrow... it's like you're not capable of even entertaining an idea that you don't already hold.

Suck it up bud!! From the other thread, you said that you thought it made us... 'Canada'... look like wimps because some people want to change a school logo. Well, you're not helping to stave off that perception.

White Doors · November 5, 2008

That is still completely beside the point that I was actually making. Canadians don't hate Americans. We aren't always fond of what you do, but we don't hate you. Canadians though, do not like George Bush.

Maybe you should stop with the generalizations? I am Canadian too so don't pretend to speak for me.

Peter F · November 5, 2008

The topic is a very good question. It's hard to believe that the USA wouldn't respect Canada isn't it? I don't think any politicians have ever said anything non flattering about the Americans have they?

But the topic is "Why Doesn't the US Respect Canada More?"

Which seems to me to be a question that can only be answered by Americans. So far we have a bunch of Canadians going on about wether Canada respects the USofA enough...

Oleg Bach · November 5, 2008

But the topic is "Why Doesn't the US Respect Canada More?"
Which seems to me to be a question that can only be answered by Americans. So far we have a bunch of Canadians going on about wether Canada respects the USofA enough...

America is to stupid to respect anyone or anything - "Respect is the transfere of power based in mutual co-operation" - and the retransferance back and forth - when was the last time you saw America empower anybody or thing - they are vampires so don't expect respect . Be a realist - it's the largest crimminal and terrorist enterprise on earth - so underdeveloped and immature - you would think our big brother would have learned how to be good by now - but what do you expect of a nation built on slavery - and NOW re-dependent on slavery once more - China.. I don't want their respect as a Canadian - I don't need it - I respect myself and my fellow family members called Canadians! :rolleyes:

bush_cheney2004 · November 5, 2008

.... Be a realist - it's the largest crimminal and terrorist enterprise on earth - so underdeveloped and immature - you would think our big brother would have learned how to be good by now - but what do you expect of a nation built on slavery - and NOW re-dependent on slavery once more - China..

The US is not Canada's "big brother" or "cousin"....it is a nation state that pursues its own interests, just like Canada (which also had slavery and despicable conditions for "visible minorities"...LOL). If you need a friend...get a dog.

I don't want their respect as a Canadian - I don't need it - I respect myself and my fellow family members called Canadians!

Want fries with that?

GostHacked · November 5, 2008

Yet 75-80% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the U.S. border. Why would you all choose to do that, considering you have 3.8 million square miles to spread out in?
Now if you were using all that land equally, and not mostly living close to the American border, you'd have a point. I'd be curious to know what the land mass is just taking into account that hundred mile area and what the person per square mile would be using that area and 75-80% of Canada's population.

Kind of late to this thread .. wow over 20 pages now.

This has more to do with weather and cycle of planting and harvesting than anything else. This is why most of us live in that 100 mile range. The other thing is that most of these places were settled before Canada was even a country.

Drea

I do not believe you. I do not believe you live in an area where you can be surrounded by pure wilderness (no cell phone service OMG!).

Technology today allows you to be anywhere on the planet and get cell service. Satellite communications.

Rue

Its a distinctly Canadian characteristic to worry what other nations think of us. Its as Canadian as Tim Horton's and Toronto Maple Leaf fans each year flocking to the Air Canada Centre like the zombies from Night of the Living Dead. That is who George Romero based those zombies on.

Your Romero referencfe does not work. His first movie was in the 60s. Or was it before that. So he could not base it on that

I found out a week too late. I could have been a zombie extra on Romero's new movie. He is the filming in Ontario. Actually I think the last remake of a Romero movie was based in a mall. It was in Toronto or Montreal. On the table was a bucket of PFK

White Doors

Terrorism, on the other hand, is by definition - a means of swaying public opinion by killing, maiming and creating a sense of fear to further a political goal.

Who do you hear more about terrorism from? Al-queda, or your current administration?

Moderate American

the factual picture is that we give more aid then anyone else. But some people feel that because of our wealth that our generosity is not enough.

Is that not socialism??

American Woman

Not if they blindly support their leaders.
I have a button that says "proud to be American, ashamed of my government."

BC-2004

Again....I don't care about "better". Nation states have interests...my constant references to such things when it comes to Canada has nothing to do with guilt and everything to do with reality. Yet it is often perceived as "there BC goes slamming Canada again". Individual Americans have no more control over their government than you do yours, but apparently they are fair game for all manner of such criticism. In the end, America is not disliked for pursuing her interests, but for doing it better than anybody else.

I am speechless for once. I will say BC, that this is the best post you have done to explain your actions and posts without comming across as a total ass. I had to look twice to make sure it was your post. You may change my view on you yet!!

This thread shows disrespect on both sides of the border. Maybe the question is, "why can't we all just get along?"

Smallc · November 6, 2008

Maybe you should stop with the generalizations? I am Canadian too so don't pretend to speak for me.

You hate America? or maybe you like everything they do? I though those were pretty much givens.

Smallc · November 6, 2008

But if you do hate America or agree with every single decision the government or citizens there make, then I apologize.

jbg · November 6, 2008

This thread shows disrespect on both sides of the border. Maybe the question is, "why can't we all just get along?"

We do; better than any other ocuntry with as long a border and similar heritages.

White Doors · November 6, 2008

But if you do hate America or agree with every single decision the government or citizens there make, then I apologize.

Wrong again. I like W.

Smallc · November 6, 2008

Wrong again. I like W.

Well, I'm sorry for speaking for you then. But I think in this case that I can safely say, your in the extreme minority.

bush_cheney2004 · November 6, 2008

Well, I'm sorry for speaking for you then. But I think in this case that I can safely say, your in the extreme minority.

Hmmmm...I wonder if a majority of Canadians "hated" Harry S. Truman too?

Smallc · November 6, 2008

Hmmmm...I wonder if a majority of Canadians "hated" Harry S. Truman too?

Your trying to deflect again. The majority of Canadians do not like George Bush. Heck the majority of the worlds population doesn't

Smallc · November 6, 2008

Well, I'm sorry for speaking for you then. But I think in this case that I can safely say, your in the extreme minority.

I neglected to mention that, surprisingly, I'm also in that minority.

jbg · November 8, 2008

Well, I'm sorry for speaking for you then. But I think in this case that I can safely say, your in the extreme minority.

Your trying to deflect again. The majority of Canadians do not like George Bush. Heck the majority of the worlds population doesn't

William Jefferson Clinton's President was a happy-go-lucky "perpetual campaign". He always had a wet finger to the political wind. GWB was a decision maker. He made decisions on his view of right and wrong (which largely speaking wasn't bad, by the way). History will be far kinder to him than current, mass media-filtered public opinion.

bush_cheney2004 · November 8, 2008

Your trying to deflect again. The majority of Canadians do not like George Bush. Heck the majority of the worlds population doesn't

No, I am emphasizing that what the majority of Canadian's like or dislike is irrelevant to American presidents and American policies.

In fact, Canadian preferences are a strong negative indicator, since many define themselves using America as a foil.

Oleg Bach · November 8, 2008

No, I am emphasizing that what the majority of Canadian's like or dislike is irrelevant to American presidents and American policies.
In fact, Canadian preferences are a strong negative indicator, since many define themselves using America as a foil.

That is a very simple and totally true statement. Still my American friend - there are Canadians at the highest level that fear you. Perhaps it's time to really make friends - maybe we can be your patron for a while - there is a lot of honor and good will on this side of the boarder...it's a resourse that you will soon need.

bush_cheney2004 · November 8, 2008

That is a very simple and totally true statement. Still my American friend - there are Canadians at the highest level that fear you. Perhaps it's time to really make friends - maybe we can be your patron for a while - there is a lot of honor and good will on this side of the boarder...it's a resourse that you will soon need.

No, I prefer mutual distrust and loathing. The last thing in the world America wants is to take any crap from Canada! :lol:

Oleg Bach · November 9, 2008

No, I prefer mutual distrust and loathing. The last thing in the world America wants is to take any crap from Canada!

Hey our banking system is in tact yours is not - why is that?

bush_cheney2004 · November 9, 2008

Hey our banking system is in tact yours is not - why is that?

Because Americans take more risk...always have. There is a thread about concerns for GM, Ford, and Chrysler.....yet these are not great Canadian makes. Canada has always struggled for dometic capital.

No pain...no gain.

Oleg Bach · November 9, 2008

To much gain - creates spectacular pain as we now see. Capitalism peaks - with no where to go - Americans want to flaunt their finacial prowess - Canadian bankers like to manage their institutions like a private estate - which it is - and if you own the place you do not greed it to death - Americans were more savage and more disloyal - you guys are just a bit meaner, that's all. In the end it did not pay off did it - you must know your limitations.

bush_cheney2004 · November 9, 2008

To much gain - creates spectacular pain as we now see. Capitalism peaks - with no where to go - Americans want to flaunt their finacial prowess - Canadian bankers like to manage their institutions like a private estate - which it is - and if you own the place you do not greed it to death - Americans were more savage and more disloyal - you guys are just a bit meaner, that's all. In the end it did not pay off did it - you must know your limitations.

I don't have a problem with that.....America's success is based on winners and losers, not kissing your sister. Higher highs and lower lows are a good thing for engines that need to produce a lot of power. What has gone missing in all of this is the understanding that false wealth never existed in the first place, so it is not lost at all. Anyone who wants to consider these the darkest days is either too young or too stupid to know any better.

Donaill · November 17, 2008

Canada is a land of risk takers. We just prefer to really examine the risks which we are taking part in. As for the autoindustry, there is a bit of history there. Back in the early days Canada had a booming home grown auto sector. We manufactured some of the best atos in North America. However, when the line came along, thanks to Fordx, we failed to keep with that new idea and most of our companies went under or were bought out. GM is actually the result of the amalgamation of an American and a Canadian company.

Canadian risk takers have led to many breakthroughs in science, engineering, medicine and social well being. It was a near sighted Canadian that shut down the AVRO aircraft, only to have many of those engineering breakthroughs set the path for the American space program. Our issue isn't our fellow Canadians, as much as it is goverments that want to win US favour. Take for instance the energy agreement that was recently signed with the US. It gaurentees energy and water to the US regardless of our own needs. That is why many of us hope that Obama will open the Nafta agreement. Put those two on the table and then we will see who relies on whom. Personally I think it is a mutual thing. It is often forgotten by some Americans. Canadian contributions quite often get over looked. I believe that this is the reason for many Canadians anger to the US. Here is an example, when New Orleans was flooded out, Canada sent the navy down to help. The ships had highly trained personell that were ready, eager and willing to help. However they were restricted from doing so in many cases. Eventually they came home. They would have been able to help faster than the US teams because we were fast and prepared.

M.Dancer · November 17, 2008

Here is an example, when New Orleans was flooded out, Canada sent the navy down to help. The ships had highly trained personell that were ready, eager and willing to help. However they were restricted from doing so in many cases. Eventually they came home. They would have been able to help faster than the US teams because we were fast and prepared.

Not a good example or at least your opinion of it is over inflated. I doubt they could have helped faster than US teams for a number of reasons. mainly cause they were there till days after the event.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_resp...rricane_Katrina

Donaill · November 17, 2008

Not a good example or at least your opinion of it is over inflated. I doubt they could have helped faster than US teams for a number of reasons. mainly cause they were there till days after the event.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_resp...rricane_Katrina

Yes, the Americans were there days after the emergency. However I also know that the US told the Navy to leave because the help wasn't needed and in some cases was turned away in areas that really needed help. The reason being that their goverment was busy preparing to help but were still really weeks away from really aiding the people.