Why Doesn't the US Respect Canada More?

[JerrySeinfeld]

Its drea..why bother?

India was first.

India, USA, Japan and Australia formed a coaltion to co-ordinate relief efforts but turned it over the the UN on January 6th.

In straight dollars or GDP? In dollars, the USA. They are the 2nd largest economy on earth and numbers 3-10 arent on par collectively.

In GDP? Id rather not thanks. Very generous? Americans, yes they are.

This guy dosnt agree...."the Boston Globe's Charles Senott (12/31/04), who wrote in his second sentence that "both on a per capita basis and as a percentage of the nation's wealth, America's emergency relief in Asia and development aid to poor countries actually ranks at the bottom of the list of developed nations."

That said, the Americans are generous and I have no arguement on what they do. But I think some factual content is relevant here.

Hmm. I'd be interested to see how that was measured. Is that counting private sources (of which the US has an abundance), or only government aid (of which the US would have comparitively less than many socialist countries).

Edited September 18, 2008 by JerrySeinfeld

[White Doors]

No Shit?

Bullies are "confident"?

So that bully who beats his peers for fun is "confident"? Yah think?

Confidence is when you can be a big enough nation to help others instead of forcing yourself down their throats and lying to the citizenry as to why you're doing it.

I'm CONFIDENT! If you don't like or respect me, I will just kill you!

That is called "fear" not "respect".

Actually, Bullies are usually lacking in self esteem which is why they are bullies to compensate.

But nevermid that, I'm sure it won't change your 'hypothesis'

[Rue]

That's so very true, but this particular dumbass happens to be an American.

I agree, but you're talking about respect on a personal level, whereas the thread is about respecting the nation. As such, I would like my nation to have respect. I don't think it has had a lot under Bush, but I think respect is a good thing for a nation. I think we got the help we did after 9-11 because we were respected as a nation.

"Fretting" about what other countries think of it is one thing, but hoping that one's government's actions begets respect from other nations is another thing entirely, I think.

If individuals don't respect Canada, I think that's different from the world as a whole not respecting Canada. Maybe I'm reading what this thread is about wrong, but that's the way I'm taking it. And in that light, of course it's just the opinion of the poster who started the thread that the US doesn't respect Canada as much as it should.

Nothing wrong with a wee bit of cynicism. But not liking beavers is a stupid, unfounded reason for not respecting Canada. On the other hand, there can be legitimate reasons why a country isn't respected, and if that's the case, I don't think the lack of respect is something that can just be dismissed as unimportant.

I defer to thine eloquence and affection for our beaver.

[Rue]

Is this topic still going on? Why does Canada care if the US respects it? And just so were clear most Americans don't give a shit whether ANYONE respects the US.

Its a distinctly Canadian characteristic to worry what other nations think of us. Its as Canadian as Tim Horton's and Toronto Maple Leaf fans each year flocking to the Air Canada Centre like the zombies from Night of the Living Dead. That is who George Romero based those zombies on.

[Drea]

Actually, Bullies are usually lacking in self esteem which is why they are bullies to compensate.

Yes and we know a number of them right here on MLW!

Sad isn't it? That people, and indeed nations, would rather instill fear than real respect. One does not respect the guy with the gun, one fears him. One does not respect the kid that steals lunch money from smaller kids, one fears him. Respect and fear are not the same thing.

Of course I understand that conservatives have a difficult time with analogies but still I try!

Cheers!

Hi Guyser! Thanks for being my greatest fan!

[White Doors]

I don't think the USA is instilling fear, they are following that they deam to be their national interests.

Fear and bullying aren't the objective.

Terrorism, on the other hand, is by definition - a means of swaying public opinion by killing, maiming and creating a sense of fear to further a political goal.

edit: What conservatives are you referring to that have a difficult time with analogies?

thanks

Edited September 19, 2008 by White Doors

[AngusThermopyle]

I defer to thine eloquence and affection for our beaver.

When it comes to Beaver I'm very affectionate, in fact I just can't get enough Beaver. I'd be getting beaver day and night 24/7 if I could, that's how much I like Beaver.

[jbg]

Typical American. You think that you can make freinds and influence people by being liberal.

I'm an American and AW cannot stand me.

[Oleg Bach]

I'm an American and AW cannot stand me.

Individually I adore Americans - incorporated they are like frenzied and hungry fire ants...with nukes

[jbg]

What the heck are you talking about? Where to begin.

Well, first let's discuss your comment about being a "big enough nation to help others".

OK, the ASIAN TSUNAMI. WHo was there FIRST, UNILATERALLY with aricraft carriers full of food, water and supplies, while the UN clusterfuck dillydallied around with bureaucrats pissing about who should do what and where for DAYS? That's right, the USA.

Who gives more money than any other nation in the world to starving nations in need? That's right, the USA.

Who's citizens give more to charity per capita than any other nation in the world? That's right, the USA.

You and Gordon Sinclair both have that nailed.

[guyser]

You and Gordon Sinclair both have that nailed.

With the minor exception that Gordon was right and Jerry was wrong.....but apart fromthat ...

[Guest American Woman]

QUOTE: Who's citizens give more to charity per capita than any other nation in the world? That's right, the USA.

This guy dosnt agree...."the Boston Globe's Charles Senott (12/31/04), who wrote in his second sentence that "both on a per capita basis and as a percentage of the nation's wealth, America's emergency relief in Asia and development aid to poor countries actually ranks at the bottom of the list of developed nations."

That said, the Americans are generous and I have no arguement on what they do. But I think some factual content is relevant here.

I know that dollar wise per capita our government doesn't give as much as a lot of nations, but Americans as individuals give a lot and our government gives tax breaks for charitable donations, so technically, by giving back tax dollars for that purpose, it is tax dollars indirectly going to charity. I think we just do things a little differently than some nations in that respect. And what about volunteer time? That's not included, is it? Just curious, since I would like to know the factual content of the total picture.

Edited September 21, 2008 by American Woman

[moderateamericain]

I know that dollar wise per capita our government doesn't give as much as a lot of nations, but Americans as individuals give a lot and our government gives tax breaks for charitable donations, so technically, by giving back tax dollars for that purpose, it is tax dollars indirectly going to charity. I think we just do things a little differently than some nations in that respect. And what about volunteer time? That's not included, is it? Just curious, since I would like to know the factual content of the total picture.

the factual picture is that we give more aid then anyone else. But some people feel that because of our wealth that our generosity is not enough. I find that funny since it's like a beggar throwing a fit when I give a single instead of a twenty. Looters want to take what isn't there's and scoff at what they do get. Personally I think it's the worst thing that humanity has come up with.

Edited September 22, 2008 by moderateamericain

[jbg]

With the minor exception that Gordon was right and Jerry was wrong.....but apart fromthat ...

Their message is darn near the same.

[the janitor]

Why doesn't the US respect Canada More?

Three words: Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

[the janitor]

Why doesn't the US respect Canada More?

Three words: Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

Edited September 25, 2008 by the janitor

[guyser]

Their message is darn near the same.

Different times. Different circumstances. Jerry is still wrong.

[guyser]

Why doesn't the US respect Canada More?

Three words: Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

The Friendly Giant scares them? Chez Helene ?

[the janitor]

The Friendly Giant scares them? Chez Helene ?

Chez Helene! I'd forgotten about that show.

Damn straight the Friendly Giant scares them. It's that talking rooster with the squeaky voice. It's just not normal. And I'd swear that Giraffe was on drugs.

Edited September 26, 2008 by the janitor

[guyser]

Chez Helene! I'd forgotten about that show.

Damn straight the Friendly Giant scares them. It's that talking rooster with the squeaky voice. It's just not normal. And I'd swear that Giraffe was on drugs.

Jerome was a cokehead....Chez Helene was a pepsi...head...

rimshot.

[blueblood]

Jerome was a cokehead....Chez Helene was a pepsi...head...

rimshot.

ha ha Look up Look waaaaaaaaaayy up.

[Murray B.]

Greetings from an Edmontonian, born and raised. A better question is why hasn't the U.S. annexed Canada by now? They could have done this after WWII with impunity.

Our relationship has always been 60/40 with the U.S. which ain't bad considering that we have less than 10% of the population on the continent. It has something to do with the U.S. ideas of minority, and even individual, rights. They believe in representative democracy but not in a dictatorship of the majority.

Soon after the attack on the Word Trade Center a few lunatics in Canada began spewing evil anti-American propaganda. The criticisms were unfounded but even if they were true that was certainly not the time to air them.

The lunacy flourished, until finally in Feb. 2004, the Canadian magazine Macleans ran an impressive cover:

It showed President Bush and had the caption, "Canadian’s to Bush: Hope you lose, Eh?" and the bizarre claim that "Only 15% of us support the President’s re-election" This was a major embarassment for the President of a country that has always been our best customer. Strange way to treat a friend, Eh?

Anyway, why does that fellow in central Canada think that anyone should respect us after acting like that?

P.S. Apparently the CBC has broadcast a piece claiming that V.P. Candidate Pallin looks like a porn star. Our tax dollars paid for that and what possible good can come of it?

[jbg]

It showed President Bush and had the caption, "Canadian’s to Bush: Hope you lose, Eh?" and the bizarre claim that "Only 15% of us support the President’s re-election" This was a major embarassment for the President of a country that has always been our best customer. Strange way to treat a friend, Eh?

Anyway, why does that fellow in central Canada think that anyone should respect us after acting like that?

P.S. Apparently the CBC has broadcast a piece claiming that V.P. Candidate Pallin looks like a porn star. Our tax dollars paid for that and what possible good can come of it?

Read my opening post. Your post has merit but the problem, as I see it, is not "sibling rivalry" attacks but Canada's own lack of self-respect and patriotism.

[Peter F]

Soon after the attack on the Word Trade Center a few lunatics in Canada began spewing evil anti-American propaganda. The criticisms were unfounded but even if they were true that was certainly not the time to air them.

The lunacy flourished, until finally in Feb. 2004, the Canadian magazine Macleans ran an impressive cover:

It showed President Bush and had the caption, "Canadian’s to Bush: Hope you lose, Eh?" and the bizarre claim that "Only 15% of us support the President’s re-election" This was a major embarassment for the President of a country that has always been our best customer. Strange way to treat a friend, Eh?

Anyway, why does that fellow in central Canada think that anyone should respect us after acting like that?

Americans probably consider the source then turn back to the job at hand

P.S. Apparently the CBC has broadcast a piece claiming that V.P. Candidate Pallin looks like a porn star. Our tax dollars paid for that and what possible good can come of it?

Wendy Mesley?

[Kitch]

Read my opening post. Your post has merit but the problem, as I see it, is not "sibling rivalry" attacks but Canada's own lack of self-respect and patriotism.

I'm jumping in here late and may be misunderstanding what was said... but are you implying that a country's citizens must be patriotic in order to be respected?

What does it mean, exactly, to be patriotic anyhow?