Africa: Bush Approves U.S. Army for Africa

[myata]

“And Ethiopian is known to be a suppressive undemocratic regime”.

Does it mean - that it’s “repulsive” country ?

Your opinion - it's Black propaganda.

It means exactly what it says. There're numerous reports of human rights abuses in that country (here's one, US gosdep).

It is a strange proposition that associating themselves and supporting one kind of undemocratic regimes (Ethiopia, Uzbekistan and probably a hundred of other similar examples) against another kind of undemocratic regimes (Taleban, Hussein's regime in Iraq), is somehow going to bring better democracy into this world. Unless, of course, that (ie. advancing democracy in the world) is not the real objective. Which could be, for example, advancing the global domination of the US by all means possible. At least, from that perspective, their activities make perfect sense.

[Jerry Galinda]

[(Ethiopia, Uzbekistan and probably a hundred of other similar examples) - HUNDRED OF OTHER !

Socialist regime of Mengistu Hajle Mariam in Ethiopia – supported by Soviet Union – killed in 70s and 80s about 500.000 people.

Nowadays - Ethiopian “regime” is a lesser evil in comparison with “your” regimes in Sudan and Somalia.

Are you naive or ..................... ?

[myata]

Nowadays - Ethiopian “regime” is a lesser evil in comparison with “your” regimes in Sudan and Somalia.

Can this, perhaps, be substantiated? Or just your word should suffice?

And who gets to decide what is a "lesser" evil? Who knows what is a lesser evil?

In any case, someone who's supporting these regimes for any reasons, loses all grounds to preach about morality and democracy.

Are you naive or ..................... ?

No, but what about you - if you believe that it's OK to support one undemocratic government that tortures and kills people to get rid of another that does the same?

[Jerry Galinda]

Almost every African government is undemocratic !

[Jerry Galinda]

Sudan - Darfour - it's enough.

Somalia - don't be " naive" - democracy and authoritarian religion - ha ha .

[PolyNewbie]

The US is on every continent in the world, mostly at the invitation of the host country. It's not a big plot by the Bushistas.

Its only the countries that are not already under IMF control that the USA has a problem with.

It is a big plot by the international bankers to own the planet. You may figure it out before they stick you on a train to one of those camps. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that those who print the money run things.

[ScottSA]

The US is on every continent in the world, mostly at the invitation of the host country. It's not a big plot by the Bushistas.

Its only the countries that are not already under IMF control that the USA has a problem with.

It is a big plot by the international bankers to own the planet. You may figure it out before they stick you on a train to one of those camps. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that those who print the money run things.

Right. Big plot. Own planet. Bad bankers, hiss, evil. Thanks for the update there Polly. I think it might be unhelpful to mention that the IMF has an interest in every country in Africa, often forgives interest and even debt, and is highly sought after by the rulers of those countries since it's the only organization foolish enough to actually invest in the failed protostates "developing nations" of Africa. Clever bankers those IMF folks. Imagine being clever enough to loan money to African countries who have little hope of ever paying it back for about the same interest rate they would lend it to a stable industrial nation! Positively hienous in its deviousness.

Perhaps you'd better take that particular "big plot" back to the drawing board and tinker with it a bit. You DO know that the IMF doesn't print money, right?

[Jerry Galinda]

"It is a big plot by the international bankers to own the planet. "

It reminds idea's of Adolf Hitler and .............................

[Drea]

I repeat: THERE ARE NO NATIONS AT WAR (as in WWI,WWII) at this time. NONE OF OUR ALLIES (OR US) HAVE BEEN ATTACKED. Don't parade out 911 - hardly anyone believes the "official" version.

Actually, everyone sane believes the official version, with a few minor quibbles. It's only the shrill, tinfoil hat types who dismiss it and speak of some vast, dark conspiracy.

Hulllloooooooo?

84% of Americans DO NOT believe the official version of 911.

EIGHTY FOUR PERCENT.

That means only 16% of the American populace is sane (according to you) -- Hey I thought you loved Americans -- now you are calling the majority of them insane?

But this thread is about the fact that the world is not at war. No matter how you try to make it look like GW Bush is saving the world from wanton terror.

Geeeeee -- without America the whole world would get suicided!

[ScottSA]

Drea, I don't know where you got that statistic or how you've manipulated it to say that 84% think GWB is behind 911, but I suspect it's because you've created a false dichotomy in your mind that either 911 happened exactly as explained by hegemonic opinion, or it is a great big plot by [insert favorite bogeyman]. If indeed 84% of Americans don't believe exactly this or that, it doesn't mean they all think what you think. You are a member of a select few savants who know things no one else wants to waste time knowing.

[DogOnPorch]

If you Google some key words re: 'support for the official version of 9-11' you'll get many different numbers between 1% and 100%. Pick your 'truth'...

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This whole creation is essentially subjective, and the dream is the theater where the dreamer is at once: scene, actor, prompter, stage manager, author, audience, and critic.

---Carl Jung

[Drea]

I said 84% don't believe the official version.

The opinions vary from "The government did it!" to "They let it happen" and everything in between. Does not necessarily mean 84% believe little green men did it -- just that 84% don't fall for the clap trap.

Good on 'em for asking questions IMO.

[M.Dancer]

I would guess that 84% of what the official vesion is, is accurate and 16% educated conjecture......

The only area where I might differ from an official response would be in the area of, "did the gov't do everything it could have done to prevent 9.11"

I say no it didn't and I also say that it was not a deliberate sin of omission.

[Jerry Galinda]

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No, but what about you - if you believe that it's OK to support one undemocratic government that tortures and kills people to get rid of another that does the same?

Typical situation – e.g. during WWII – Soviet Union – undemocratic regime – was an ally of U.S and western democracy – and so on an so on.

[kuzadd]

This is a consolidation of three existing commands for God's sake, in an effort to streamline operations. Good grief. Did anyone notice the "host country" terminology? Kuzzad announced this as if it is an armada lying off the shore of Africa to go install satraps throughout Africa. Any more big news? Like "US troops cross Canadian border!!!!11!!!!!!" (on their way, by train, to Alaska)

I didn't notice any announcement, other then the posting of an article.

watch your interpretations.

oh and BTW scotty, I read the article I posted, nowheredoes it say anything about a consolidation??

[kuzadd]

So where else does the US want to set up shop next?? Hmm ?? Hmmm??

The US is on every continent in the world, mostly at the invitation of the host country. It's not a big plot by the Bushistas. What IS a big plot, and an active war, is Muslim terrorism. You can deny that to your heart's content, but it is there, and it is being fought by both sides. Denying that the War on Muslim extremism exists is rather like denying that the cold war took place.

LOL, mostly at the invitation of host countries.

Yah like iraq and Afghanistan?

bah!

[kuzadd]

I said 84% don't believe the official version.

The opinions vary from "The government did it!" to "They let it happen" and everything in between. Does not necessarily mean 84% believe little green men did it -- just that 84% don't fall for the clap trap.

Good on 'em for asking questions IMO.

drea, do you notice scotty, reads things, like words, that aren't there????

[buffycat]

More sad news from Africa:

More than 1,000 killed in attack on Mogadishu, report says

Mogadishu/Nairobi- More than 1,000 civilians were feared to

have been killed in the latest fighting between Ethiopian-backed

government troops and Islamic insurgents in Mogadishu, according to a

report published by a Somali clan Tuesday.

The report said 1,086 civilians including women and children have

been killed and more than 4,000 injured in the fighting which saw

tens of thousands flee the city.

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Ah the smell of American interference! How refreshing!

/sarcasm

[bush_cheney2004]

More sad news from Africa:

....Ah the smell of American interference! How refreshing!

/sarcasm

That smell is more Canadian than American:

...Even the transitional government president, Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, often jokes publicly that he is an honorary Canadian. While he doesn't hold citizenship, his wife, children and grandchildren all do, and only recently moved back to the region after living in Kitchener. His staff and advisers are also predominantly Canadian.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/108719

[Jerry Galinda]

Don't forget about Darfour and

e.g. Algerie - more than 100.000 victims of islamic extremists !

Ah the smell of Islamic interference! How refreshing!