kuzadd Posted April 4, 2007 Report Posted April 4, 2007 no surprise here. http://allafrica.com/stories/200704030206.html "UNITED States President George Bush has approved the formation of a U.S. army to permanently operate in Africa, a move viewed by many as part of a wide plan to increase American hegemony on Africa.The army called the U.S. African Command, was approved by Mr Bush on February 2, 2007 and US$50 million was last week injected in the project that should see the army being fully operational by 2008. Navy Rear Admiral Robert Moellar, previously the special assistant to the commander of U.S. Central Command is heading the transitional team tasked to establish the army. In yesterday's report, The American Thinker said: "The goal is to have Africom fully operational by the end of fiscal 2008, and that establishing the command will not adversely affect operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Also, Africom will cost about $50 million in fiscal year 2007, and costs for 2008 are still being evaluated." and the empire marches on, and on and on. watch those costs grow, exponentially. Brzenszki: "In that context, how America 'manages' Eurasia is critical. Eurasia is the globe's largest continent and is geopolitically axial. A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world's three most advanced and economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail Africa's subordination, rendering the Western Hemisphere and Oceania geopolitically peripheral to the world's central continent. About 75 per cent of the world's people live in Eurasia, and most of the world's physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for 60 per cent of the world's GNP and about three-fourths of the world's known energy resources." the war for control,of all the world's resources , by the US marches steadily forward. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
M.Dancer Posted April 4, 2007 Report Posted April 4, 2007 $50 Million? So this army will be equipped with 1 M1 A1, a humvee and a Armoured latrine...? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
myata Posted April 4, 2007 Report Posted April 4, 2007 Yes, unlike other, more fortunate parts of the world (like Central and South America, South East Asia, Middle East), Africa has yet to experience full force of benevolent influence from this worlds' greatest champion of democracy. I'll leave it up to its people to decide whether it's something to celebrate, or be concerned about. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
M.Dancer Posted April 4, 2007 Report Posted April 4, 2007 This article might prove to be a little more insightful http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,...1328840,00.html Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
kuzadd Posted April 4, 2007 Author Report Posted April 4, 2007 I love that article, such nice spin "preventative" "Al Quaeda" hits all the buzz words so nice. blah, blah, blah. it's about the resources, the RESOURCES. The US wants first dibs. The african people will get the full force of America's 'benevolence' soon. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
ScottSA Posted April 4, 2007 Report Posted April 4, 2007 This is a consolidation of three existing commands for God's sake, in an effort to streamline operations. Good grief. Did anyone notice the "host country" terminology? Kuzzad announced this as if it is an armada lying off the shore of Africa to go install satraps throughout Africa. Any more big news? Like "US troops cross Canadian border!!!!11!!!!!!" (on their way, by train, to Alaska) Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 4, 2007 Report Posted April 4, 2007 ScottSA: This is a consolidation of three existing commands for God's sake, in an effort to streamline operations. Good grief. Did anyone notice the "host country" terminology? Kuzzad announced this as if it is an armada lying off the shore of Africa to go install satraps throughout Africa. Any more big news? Like "US troops cross Canadian border!!!!11!!!!!!" (on their way, by train, to Alaska) Reminds me of a Simpsons episode... ---------------------------------------------------------- Just miles from your doorstep, hundreds of men are given weapons and trained to kill. The government calls it the Army, but a more alarmist name would be...The Killbot Factory. ---Kent Brockman Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 5, 2007 Report Posted April 5, 2007 Yes, unlike other, more fortunate parts of the world (like Central and South America, South East Asia, Middle East), Africa has yet to experience full force of benevolent influence from this worlds' greatest champion of democracy.I'll leave it up to its people to decide whether it's something to celebrate, or be concerned about. Canada has already decided....ramping up investment for mining operations to help the poor Africans realize the benefits of development (while they rape the landscape). This phrase from Toronto's "Investing in African Mining Seminar" really made me laugh: beneficiation - a new awareness in economic development for sociopolitical stability and environmental protection. Is "beneficiation" even a word? http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSection...ticleId=3715710 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
myata Posted April 6, 2007 Report Posted April 6, 2007 Well times and places are different, but the policies are the same: US supports Ethiopean invasion in Somalia. And Ethiopian is known to be a suppressive undemocratic regime. Accused of torturing prisoners. And running secret prisons for the US war on terror. When and how is it going to blow back? Canada should officially state that it has nothing to do with this business (ie. the whole business of the "war on terror"). It's going to bring us trouble if we stick with it, even on a verbal level. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
ScottSA Posted April 6, 2007 Report Posted April 6, 2007 Well times and places are different, but the policies are the same: US supports Ethiopean invasion in Somalia.And Ethiopian is known to be a suppressive undemocratic regime. Accused of torturing prisoners. And running secret prisons for the US war on terror. When and how is it going to blow back? Canada should officially state that it has nothing to do with this business (ie. the whole business of the "war on terror"). It's going to bring us trouble if we stick with it, even on a verbal level. Right. Joining WW II brought us nothing but trouble too. WW I too for that matter. All those casualties we didn't have to have...my goodness, why don't we just close our eyes and pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist? Quote
Drea Posted April 6, 2007 Report Posted April 6, 2007 WW I and WWII involved our allies being attacked. Physically attacked and physically at war with other nations. We are NOT at war today. No nations have been invaded (except for the US invasion of Iraq but this is a different topic). We DO NOT need to stand on side with the warmongers. I repeat: THERE ARE NO NATIONS AT WAR (as in WWI,WWII) at this time. NONE OF OUR ALLIES (OR US) HAVE BEEN ATTACKED. Don't parade out 911 - hardly anyone believes the "official" version. The War on Terror is ficticious. Get it into your head. WE ARE NOT AT WAR WITH ANY NATION ON EARTH AT THIS TIME. Sorry, gotta yell -- those rightwing warmongers' don't understand sublety. LOL. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
DogOnPorch Posted April 6, 2007 Report Posted April 6, 2007 WW I and WWII involved our allies being attacked. Physically attacked and physically at war with other nations. We are NOT at war today. Actually, WW1 was started by a chain of events that once in motion were impossible to stop. The assassination of the Arch-Duke and his wife was almost like a starter's pistol going off. Every nation had a plan that had to run according to an exacting time-table. This included mobilization as well as trasportation to the front. Nobody wanted to be caught with their pants down, so preparations went forward no matter what any individual might want...almost automatically. Sorry, gotta yell -- those rightwing warmongers' don't understand sublety. LOL. I don't mean to lecture, but it seems that many leftwing peacenicks were too busy smoking dee ghanja to go to history class...lol. :D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ In 1866 and 1870, Austria and then France were overwhelmed at the outset by means of superior preparation. ---General Sir Douglas Haig Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted April 6, 2007 Report Posted April 6, 2007 I don't mean to lecture, but it seems that many leftwing peacenicks were too busy smoking dee ghanja to go to history class...lol. It's better than the crack that the right smokes, But anyways, I was wondering when this stuff would hit the airwaves. Terrorism must be rampant througout the entire world for the US to play policeman for the rest of us. Once you understand and realize the open endedness of this whole War on Terror, you can see how anything and evrything is considered a threat of some kind. So spin and twist is put on anything to make it seem much freakin worse than it actually is. We only need to go as far back as the phase leading up to the Iraq invasion. So where else does the US want to set up shop next?? Hmm ?? Hmmm?? Quote
ScottSA Posted April 6, 2007 Report Posted April 6, 2007 So where else does the US want to set up shop next?? Hmm ?? Hmmm?? The US is on every continent in the world, mostly at the invitation of the host country. It's not a big plot by the Bushistas. What IS a big plot, and an active war, is Muslim terrorism. You can deny that to your heart's content, but it is there, and it is being fought by both sides. Denying that the War on Muslim extremism exists is rather like denying that the cold war took place. Quote
Jerry Galinda Posted April 6, 2007 Report Posted April 6, 2007 Which country in Africa is democratic ? Which country in Africa is not suppressive ? Which country in Africa isn't a regime ? Quote
ScottSA Posted April 6, 2007 Report Posted April 6, 2007 Which country in Africa is democratic ?Which country in Africa is not suppressive ? Which country in Africa isn't a regime ? Which country in Africa is democratic ? A few, depending upon how one defines "democracy" Which country in Africa is not suppressive ? Depends on the definition of "suppressive". Which country in Africa isn't a regime ? Countries are not regimes. Forms of government are regimes. In the case of autocracies or cult totalitarianism, the term 'regime' can be properly applied, but generally the term 'regime' refers to the philosophy or governance in a country; eg "democracy" or "communism". Quote
Jerry Galinda Posted April 6, 2007 Report Posted April 6, 2007 A few, ? - it's problematic - I suspect that only Republic of South Africa may be accepted as a democratic country. Which country in Africa is not suppressive ? Depends on the definition of "suppressive". The same request – according european standards – almost every country in Africa is suppressive. “Countries are not regimes. Forms of government are regimes. In the case of autocracies or cult totalitarianism, the term 'regime' can be properly applied, but generally the term 'regime' refers to the philosophy or governance in a country; eg "democracy" or "communism".” That’s true – even in my language – it doesn’t “sound” . Request for correct – improving question – is the same - according european standards – almost every …….and so on ………………… Quote
myata Posted April 7, 2007 Report Posted April 7, 2007 Which country in Africa is democratic ?Which country in Africa is not suppressive ? Which country in Africa isn't a regime ? Why don't you read up (on political geography) and come back with more insightful comments? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Argus Posted April 7, 2007 Report Posted April 7, 2007 Yes, unlike other, more fortunate parts of the world (like Central and South America, South East Asia, Middle East), Africa has yet to experience full force of benevolent influence from this worlds' greatest champion of democracy. And so it's doing so well left all to itself, right? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 7, 2007 Report Posted April 7, 2007 I repeat: THERE ARE NO NATIONS AT WAR (as in WWI,WWII) at this time. NONE OF OUR ALLIES (OR US) HAVE BEEN ATTACKED. Don't parade out 911 - hardly anyone believes the "official" version. Actually, everyone sane believes the official version, with a few minor quibbles. It's only the shrill, tinfoil hat types who dismiss it and speak of some vast, dark conspiracy. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 7, 2007 Report Posted April 7, 2007 Which country in Africa is democratic ?Which country in Africa is not suppressive ? Which country in Africa isn't a regime ? Ah, but that's different. These people don't care what happens in brutal, repressive regimes as long as they're not in any way associated with the Americans or Israelis. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Jerry Galinda Posted April 7, 2007 Report Posted April 7, 2007 Bingo Special kind of morality "When XZ steals, that is good, but when XZ is robbed, that is bad." Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 7, 2007 Report Posted April 7, 2007 Drea: WW I and WWII involved our allies being attacked. Physically attacked and physically at war with other nations. We are NOT at war today. DogOnPorch: Actually, WW1 was started by a chain of events that once in motion were impossible to stop. The assassination of the Arch-Duke and his wife was almost like a starter's pistol going off. Every nation had a plan that had to run according to an exacting time-table. This included mobilization as well as trasportation to the front. Nobody wanted to be caught with their pants down, so preparations went forward no matter what any individual might want...almost automatically. Drea: Sorry, gotta yell -- those rightwing warmongers' don't understand sublety. LOL. DogOnPorch: I don't mean to lecture, but it seems that many leftwing peacenicks were too busy smoking dee ghanja to go to history class...lol. GostHacked: It's better than the crack that the right smokes. Depends if the weed is from British Columbia or not...lol. Anyways...Drea's statement re: Invasion and WW1 just shows an improper grasp of the events of that period. My statement above still stands as the general cause of WW1. Getting the facts straight is neither a right or a left thing. ------------------------------------------------------------ Whomever wishes to foresee the future must consult the past; for human events ever resemble those of preceding times. This arises from the fact that they are produced by men who ever have been, and ever shall be, animated by the same passions, and thus they necessarily have the same results. ---Niccolo Machiavelli Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Jerry Galinda Posted April 7, 2007 Report Posted April 7, 2007 “And Ethiopian is known to be a suppressive undemocratic regime”. Does it mean - that it’s “repulsive” country ? Your opinion - it's Black propaganda. Quote
Jerry Galinda Posted April 7, 2007 Report Posted April 7, 2007 "WW I and WWII involved our allies being attacked. " ???? Was it the reason of war ? War between USA and Germany and Japan . USA stopped being neutral after Pearl Harbor ! Quote
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