U.S. Presidential Elections 2008

[BubberMiley]

By crossing out I was emphasizing that he is not the same.

That is a very weaselly believable defence for your racist interesting comment.

[Guest American Woman]

QUOTE=jbg: By crossing out I was emphasizing that he is not the same.

That is a very weaselly believable defence for your racist interesting comment.

Excellent post. Couldn't have been put any better.

[sharkman]

Wow. Because he has Muslim roots? Oh wow. And you are the one throwing the racism spitball all over this forum. Dude, you are caught out.

Oh come on people, jbg was not being racist. The left is so hyper sensitive to any reference to Obama's Muslim heritage it's pathetic. They are also hyper sensitive to Obama's church of 20 years, also laughable.

His middle name is Hussien. He has a Muslim heritage. He went to a church for 20 years with a pastor who thinks Jesus taught that Muslims were part of his flock as well(Neither religion teaches this), and AIDS was inflicted on blacks by their own government. Democrats dug like miners through Bush's past to dig up drug use and National guard history, yet this stuff is off limits? Get real.

[BubberMiley]

Get real.

No one expected you to be offended by comparing him to bin Laden. That's fair ball in the conservative playbook.

[sharkman]

No one expected you to be offended by comparing him to bin Laden. That's fair ball in the conservative playbook.

Among those who don't support Obama, sometimes a joke about the man is used. Among leftwingers such as yourself, sometimes they compare Bush with Hitler. Since both are so obviously not accurate portraits, it's obviously just a dig.

Democrats dug like miners through Bush's past and came up with all kinds of things. It's fair comment to reference Obama's Muslim heritage. Get over it.

Edited May 11, 2008 by sharkman

[bush_cheney2004]

Among those who don't support Obama, sometimes a joke about the man is used. Among leftwingers such as yourself, sometimes they compare Bush with Hitler. Since both are so obviously not accurate portraits, it's obvious just a dig.

Extending your point....President Bush was actually compared to a chimpanzee in lefty circles, the most popular of this sort being a site called "The Smirking Chimp". If this were done for the candidate or president Obama, it would be uniformly condemned as "racist".

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/

[Guest American Woman]

Among those who don't support Obama, sometimes a joke about the man is used. Among leftwingers such as yourself, sometimes they compare Bush with Hitler. Since both are so obviously not accurate portraits, it's obviously just a dig.

Democrats dug like miners through Bush's past and came up with all kinds of things. It's fair comment to reference Obama's Muslim heritage. Get over it.

It's fair to call Obama "Osama," it's ok to refer to him as a terrorist, because he has Muslim roots? You can't be serious.

Personally, I can't believe how stupid people make themseves look with the totally unoriginal, over-used Osama thing. BubberMiley's response was perfect.

[BubberMiley]

His grandson is one of the biggest supporters Israel has ever had.

Do you mean by how he made Iran the most powerful and influential power in the region or by how his policies helped Hamas gain power?

[bush_cheney2004]

Barack Obama wishes to be president of all 57 states:

"It is wonderful to be back in Oregon," Obama said. "Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington...k-obama-wa.html

Maybe he waas thinking of Heinz 57 Sauce....Mrs. Kerry would like that.

[BubberMiley]

I'm not quite sure I understand. At the time the Democratic Party was fully patriotic. The front-runner and presumptive nominee now is not a patriot.

I find this line of attack from the Republicans rather interesting, as it has no basis in reality whatsoever. They seem to think, however, that by saying it over and over, it will generate a certain "truthiness." I mean, if it's repeated enough, it must have some basis in fact, even though they have absolutely no evidence to support the theory and a lot of evidence that goes against it.

It's a sign of their contempt for the electorate, that they can spread lies in the hopes that people aren't paying close enough attention to find out the truth. I guess it worked with the swift-boating.

I wonder, though, by repeating it yourself, are you playing along with the Republican strategy or are you not paying close enough attention to know that it's total BS?

[bush_cheney2004]

I find this line of attack from the Republicans rather interesting, as it has no basis in reality whatsoever....

Completely irrelevant....if you don't define yourself as a candidate, then one's opposition will do it for you in a negative way....and do it often. This is the big leagues of American politics.

If it works....do it.

[BubberMiley]

If it works....do it.

Sure, and if it works to show how these tactics are deceitful and contemptuous of the voter's intelligence, do that too. Failing that and windsurfing were Kerry's greatest mistakes.

[bush_cheney2004]

Sure, and if it works to show how these tactics are deceitful and contemptuous of the voter's intelligence, do that too. Failing that and windsurfing were Kerry's greatest mistakes.

You ain't seen nothing yet...wait until the attack proxies set to work on Obama in the general. Negative campaigning wouldn't exist if it didn't work so well. Every vulnerability, real or imagined, will be exploited (by both parties).

This is how we roll 'Bro.

[BubberMiley]

This is how we roll 'Bro.

Yeah, that's how you role. But however-many hundred million other voters will also be deciding whether it's how they roll. I think Obama is a much better communicator than Kerry ever was, and those smears based on innuendo and lies ultimately won't stick so well. Today in WV, he gave a heart-felt description of his love for his country that demonstrated once again how well equipped he is to respond to and neutralize those attacks as they happen.

And he even wore a flag pin.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yeah, that's how you role. But however-many hundred million other voters will also be deciding whether it's how they roll. I think Obama is a much better communicator than Kerry ever was, and those smears based on innuendo and lies ultimately won't stick so well. Today in WV, he gave a heart-felt description of his love for his country that demonstrated once again how well equipped he is to respond to and neutralize those attacks as they happen.

And he even wore a flag pin.

Great...that just means he is playing the game, just as he must. By the time November "rolls" around, he will be crapping red-white-blue apple pie!

McCain is already getting his share in the way of proxy accusations for "wet-starting" his A-4 Skyhawk and initiating the horrific USS Forrestal fire, which killed 167 men.

Edited May 13, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[August1991]

I tend to agree with BC. In politics, if it works, go with it. Negative ads sometimes but not always work. In any case, did you think that Obama was going to get through this having complete control over the message?

The guy has a beautiful voice and speaks with a wonderful cadence. But that's about it. He is wide open to many attacks ranging from his scant but very left voting record all the way to his lack of a lapel flag.

I find this line of attack from the Republicans rather interesting, as it has no basis in reality whatsoever. They seem to think, however, that by saying it over and over, it will generate a certain "truthiness." I mean, if it's repeated enough, it must have some basis in fact, even though they have absolutely no evidence to support the theory and a lot of evidence that goes against it.

It's a sign of their contempt for the electorate, that they can spread lies in the hopes that people aren't paying close enough attention to find out the truth. I guess it worked with the swift-boating.

I wonder, though, by repeating it yourself, are you playing along with the Republican strategy or are you not paying close enough attention to know that it's total BS?

The left has a long habit of blaming the US government and the US itself for many of the ills in the world. Pick up any book by Chomsky and you'll see quickly what I mean. "America is an imperialist state causing havoc and mayhem in otherwise peaceful places around the world" or some such.

Is it any wonder then that many voters look at a Democratic candidate for a clear sign that he/she believes in America? Heck, Obama's wife said that she wasn't proud of America until her husband entered the race.

This leftist mindset comes back to haunt every Democratic candidate for the President.

Edited May 13, 2008 by August1991

[bush_cheney2004]

bump

Edited May 13, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[jbg]

I find this line of attack from the Republicans rather interesting, as it has no basis in reality whatsoever. They seem to think, however, that by saying it over and over, it will generate a certain "truthiness."

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I wonder, though, by repeating it yourself, are you playing along with the Republican strategy or are you not paying close enough attention to know that it's total BS?

Would you please stop referring to me as a Republican?

[jbg]

Is it any wonder then that many voters look at a Democratic candidate for a clear sign that he/she believes in America? Heck, Obama's wife said that she wasn't proud of America until her husband entered the race.

This leftist mindset comes back to haunt every Democratic candidate for the President.

You're quite right. This has an ugly history, starting with the McCarthy era, in which JFK was able to become electable largely on the strength of not totally rejecting McCarthyism and thus appearing more patriotic than others. It is a blot on our history.

Also unfortunately, the Democrats perpetuated this scrutiny by their actions in the 1968 and 1972 campaigns. They never rallied behind Humphrey who, while quite liberal was a true patriot. In 1972 the hard leftists took over the party. Their nominating convention in 1972 ran one night till 4 AM, after an evening session where they put into nomination a pig, Mao Tse Tung, etc. The Democrats need to clean up their act and fast. I am still clinging to the hope that my party, which has played a beautiful part in US history, can return to playing a progressive and constructive role.

[GostHacked]

Linked from another forum.... this shows how nasty things can get .... mostly how the visuals show another story altogether.

http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=169454...anchor_16945471

This kind of crap may work in the US..... and people are idiots to even think that this is acceptable at all. Lies, deceit. Shameful. Have more integrity than that, or at least have SOME to begin with.

[bush_cheney2004]

This kind of crap may work in the US..... and people are idiots to even think that this is acceptable at all. Lies, deceit. Shameful. Have more integrity than that, or at least have SOME to begin with.

We have a name for those people with all the sanctimony come election time.....losers.

[BubberMiley]

Would you please stop referring to me as a Republican?

Very well. How about "person who voted Republican in recent elections and plans to in November?" But why won't you answer the question?

Edited May 13, 2008 by BubberMiley

[BubberMiley]

I tend to agree with BC. In politics, if it works, go with it. Negative ads sometimes but not always work. In any case, did you think that Obama was going to get through this having complete control over the message?

No, in fact I encourage the Republicans to continue this line of attack because, like I said, I think it won't work this time. You can see from this thread how the attacks have no depth. Ask someone to clarify why they would say Obama is not a patriot and they shrink like wilting violets.

[bush_cheney2004]

No, in fact I encourage the Republicans to continue this line of attack because, like I said, I think it won't work this time. You can see from this thread how the attacks have no depth. Ask someone to clarify why they would say Obama is not a patriot and they shrink like wilting violets.

It doesn't matter whether Obama is a patriot or not....focusing voters on this issue may convince fence-sitters that, at least in this case, McCain has had far more skin in the game than Obama when "patriot" attributes are compared. John Kerry is a patriot too...but look what happened to him.

[jbg]

Very well. How about "person who voted Republican in recent elections and plans to in November?" But why won't you answer the question?

I traced this all the way back and I have not a clue as to what you'd want to know.