Willfully Blind to Terror's Source

[scribblet]

Good article here, and food for thought, but I'm guessing the politically correct will still insist it is only a smal lminority who cause the problems. While obviously not all Muslims are terrorists or radical, IMHO there are a lot more than we wish to believe who support terrorist actions.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/is...21-eacfda7c9fd9

Wilfully blind to terror's source

Lorne Gunter, National Post

Published: Monday, August 14, 2006

In light of Thursday's thwarted terror plot to explode Transatlantic airliners, outbound from Britain to the United States, can we all now please stop pretending that the problem isn't the present state of Islamic culture?

For there to be enough Muslims terrorists to feed the manpower needs of the London plots (last week's, and last summer's 7/7 attack on the Underground and buses), the Toronto 17, the Miami 7, the Mumbai train explosions last month, the Afghan insurgency, the Iraq insurgency, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Islamic Jihadi, Madrid, Bali, Mogadishu, Chechnya, LAX, the Danish cartoon riots and so on, there must be literally millions of Muslims vehemently hateful of Western culture and democracy. Not every fanatic is capable of martyrdom, nor do martyrs operate alone ---there must be a vast network to produce and feed them.

To produce the tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of Muslims fighters and terrorists that exist worldwide, there must be millions more funnelling support and money, hateful preaching, deadly training, poisonous school lessons and so on into the tip who are the actual plotters and bombers.

Yet even as they announced the arrests of 24 middle-class British Muslims late this week, representatives of the British government and Scotland Yard assiduously avoided saying that any of the arrestees were followers of Islam, even though all were. Officials steadfastly referred to them as "British Asians," as if either their British-ness or Asian-ness was the cause of their desire to sneak explosives aboard 10 aircraft filled with civilian travellers and detonate them mid-flight.

They were not prepared to blow themselves up and take 200 or 300 innocent flyers with them because they were fanatical devotees of cricket, nor because they were worshippers of Vishnu, the Hindu god of creation.

Being British and Asian had almost nothing to do with their being suspected conspirators in the largest terror plot since 9/11.

It was the same in June when Canadian security forces arrested 17 Muslims plotting to attack targets in this country using fertilizer bombs and perhaps even kidnap the Prime Minister and saw off his head.

When announcing those arrests, Mike McDonell, an assistant commissioner of the RCMP, insisted -- in what may be the most politically correct whitewash in the history of Canadian policing -- that those in custody represented "the broad strata of our society. Some are students, some are employed, some are unemployed."

Yeah, sure. But all of them were Muslims, right?

And it was not their scholastic careers nor their employment status that compelled them to scheme to bring down the Peace Tower and CSIS's offices in Toronto.

For his part, too, Bill Blair, Toronto's police chief, boasted that "there was not one single reference made by law enforcement to 'Muslim' or 'Muslim community.'"

As if it were a good thing; as if it would help end terror for police to be wilfully blind to the source of the threat.

A story on British Muslims in Sunday's New York Times reported that 81% identify themselves as Muslims first and British second, with similar levels among Muslims in other Western nations. Even among Muslims not radical enough to be either bombers or their supporters -- among moderate Muslims -- Muslim-ness was more important than British-ness. more

[betsy]

An expert on terrorism was interviewed on CTV over the week-end and he stated that the problem seem to be not only with some radicals....but with ISLAM itself.

[Leafless]

An expert on terrorism was interviewed on CTV over the week-end and he stated that the problem seem to be not only with some radicals....but with ISLAM itself.

Islam is political as well religious and is definitely is a source of initial problems.

But what about radicals or extremist as the 'few' or 'some' Muslims equates to what "tens of thousands" and millions more supporting their cause with money.

The rest of the world is the 'ostrich' with his head stuck in the sand pretending Muslim terrorist actions is the result of only a few.

How much longer will the world play 'ostrich'.

[margrace]

There are two terrorist groups in the world, the rich multinationalistic companies and countries that create money for their owners and stockholders and the people who round up the people left to starve by these companies and use them these people to their own end.

It all comes down to our greed . Religion is just a useful tool

[Hicksey]

I think it comes down to certain parts of the population that have a foolish, romantic view of this enemy. They hail the islamo-terrorists for fighting the evil Bush. I think their hate for Bush has completely consumed them.

I think that along with the above and that many naively believe that if we just remain 'neutral' and 'be nicer' to them, that they'll leave us alone.

[Rue]

I am not comfortable blaimg terrorism on Islam, never have been, never will be. I think it is far too simplistic to simply state Islam encourages terrorism or cultivates it. No I think we Jews, Christians and people of other religious also went through a time or times when we interprated our religions in very fundamentalist terms. It was not too long ago alleged witches were being burned and aboriginals raped and force converted by good Christians. all religions in all societies have at any given time promulgated hatred, murder, etc. I do not doubt at the present time the vast majority of Muslim society is illiterate and therefore has not developed critical thought but I think this is a social and evolutionary fact not a religious cause. They are now at where Jews and Christians were at one point and hopefully are now evolving from.

The point is it is humans, usually men, who interperate religion that cause the problem. It is their fundamentalist expression of religion into black and white rules, not the actual religion that causes the terror.

I wonder, if Jesus was around today..doyou think he could identify with one word of what is being advocated as Christian by Christians today? I doubt Mohammed would have much to do with today's terrorists claiming to be Muslim and no as a Jew I do not believe as it says in Leviticus of stoning gays or adulterers, etc. and I have evolved past certain fundamentalist precepts other Jews still strongly believe in. No people should not be lumped into simplistic categories.

I think there is a temptation to lump all of Islam and terrorism into one category particularly when we see Muslims in Canada at alleged peace rallies and then see young Muslims in head gear smiling as young men burn Israeli flags or cover their faces and wear Hezbolllah t-shirts.

Its tempting but I think black-balling an entire religion or all Islamic peoples because of a vocal minority or because humans use it as a tool to justify terrorism is not intellectually honest and we need to stay rational and calm...this coming from a Jew who is very well aware that in the Muslim world, it is the norm for its religous leaders to preach anti-semitism and anti-Christian or anti-Hindu or anti-Bahaii, etc., doctrine. Yes terrorists like to say it is their belief in Islam that fuels their terrorism, and yes there are no shortage of facist intolerant Muslim clerics, but they are not true Muslims and I say that having watched

someone yell out the name Allah and then ignite himmself in a crowd killing people. That man was a terrorist and an idiot not a Muslim and any Muslim cleric who preaches hatred is not a true Muslim. A true Muslim no matter how much he disagrees with me and as much as we have problems between us historically being Jewish and Muslim, etc., would consider himself my brother and Christians as brothers... and would not engage in terrorism. True Muslims do not use the Koran to engage in violence-the Koran is supposed to be a book of poetry extolling peace and tolerance. Yes its been hijacked by idiots but idiots come in all religions, colours, genders, sizes, etc.

All religions are misused equally.

I think if we are ever going to achieve peace with Muslims we are going to have to resist being afraid of them and trying to depict them all as violent killers. No I am not saying be naive...what I am saying is exercise tolerance, restraint and common sense.

[Black Dog]

Islam is political as well religious and is definitely is a source of initial problems.

But what about radicals or extremist as the 'few' or 'some' Muslims equates to what "tens of thousands" and millions more supporting their cause with money.

The rest of the world is the 'ostrich' with his head stuck in the sand pretending Muslim terrorist actions is the result of only a few.

How much longer will the world play 'ostrich'.

So what's the solution?

[Temagami Scourge]

Personally, I like the Arabs and the Jews.

They were the only ones who came here and didn't try to make the Aboriginal people to be like them or force their religion on them...nor did either religion build a residential school like the Christians were climbing over themselves to do.

Although people may decry Islamic suicide bombers or Israeli right-wing extremists, I can say with some conviction that neither the Jewish or Muslim religion used their faith to get at and rape Native children like the Christian religions did.

I hope things go well betweenthe two sects.

On another note, I couldn't help but notice Betsy's aversion to Muslims. Knowing that Betsy hails from the Phillipines, I can't help but think that she is bringing some of her "old world" garbage here to Canada. The Tagalog-speaking peoples have had a long-standing animosity towards the Moros and their ilk on islands like Mindanao and Palawan, so it would make sense for someone from Luzon or Leyte or thereabouts to ostracize Islam in any form.

Oh yeah, the Moros are Muslim, and everyone else in the Philipines are Christian, in case anyone is wondering.

[Michael Hardner]

Yes, it's obvious that the source of Islamist terrorist is Islamists, but if the source is obvious, then why do we need to point it out ?

The answer is - we need to point it out in order to make some people feel good about being right, to make people feel that they were correct that multiculturalism is wrong-headed and wasteful. And, apparently, we need to marginalize those Muslims to have integrated for some reason - we need to discourage them from blending into Canadian society.

[Temagami Scourge]

Mike:

The answer is - we need to point it out in order to make some people feel good about being right, to make people feel that they were correct that multiculturalism is wrong-headed and wasteful. And, apparently, we need to marginalize those Muslims to have integrated for some reason - we need to discourage them from blending into Canadian society.

Very well put Mike. I get the feeling from listening to the doomsayers that all won't be well until every last Jew and Muslim sits down in front of the T. V drinking beer to wash down his(or hers) hotdog.

[scribblet]

An expert on terrorism was interviewed on CTV over the week-end and he stated that the problem seem to be not only with some radicals....but with ISLAM itself.

Partly with Islam and its radical interpretation. Islam is not just a religion, its a way of life, an Islamist state where Sharia law is set up and interpreted by men, theological law as opposed to democratic law. Sharia also is in severe conflict with many of our basic rights e.g. equality before the law

Calls for Sharia law in countries where Muslim have large enough populations have to be opposed, fortunately Canada did that.

Just ask people in Holland about problems with radical Islamists.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/...in1893879.shtml

Many British Muslims Put Islam First

NRO: Survey Shows Many Are More Loyal To Fellow Muslims Outside U.K.

Aug. 14, 2006

(CBS)

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Thirty percent of British Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia (Islamic religious) law than under British law.

(National Review Online) This column was written by Patrick Basham.The recent homegrown plot in Britain to blow up transatlantic flights will intensify the fear that the country's 1.6 million Muslims are rejecting political tolerance and free speech for a violent, radicalized version of Islam. There is a real concern that British Muslims do pose a threat to that country and its traditional values. So how prevalent are such radical views among British Muslims?

Some answers are provided by the most comprehensive survey to date of Muslim opinion in Britain. The results from NOP Research, broadcast by Channel 4-TV on August 7, are startling.

Forty-five percent say 9/11 was a conspiracy by the American and Israeli governments. This figure is more than twice as high as those who say it was not a conspiracy. Tragically, almost one in four British Muslims believe that last year's 7/7 attacks on London were justified because of British support for the U.S.-led war on terror.

When asked, "Is Britain my country or their country?" only one in four say it is. Thirty percent of British Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia (Islamic religious) law than under British law. According to the report, "Half of those who express a preference for living under Sharia law say that, given the choice, they would move to a country governed by those laws."

Twenty-eight percent hope for the U.K. one day to become a fundamentalist Islamic state. This comports with last year's Daily Telegraph newspaper survey that found one-third of British Muslims believe that Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to end it.

The news is no less alarming on the question of freedom of speech. Seventy-eight percent support punishment for the people who earlier this year published cartoons featuring the Prophet Mohammed. Sixty-eight percent support the arrest and prosecution of those British people who "insult Islam." When asked if free speech should be protected, even if it offends religious groups, 62 percent of British Muslims say No, it should not.

[Riverwind]

Although people may decry Islamic suicide bombers or Israeli right-wing extremists, I can say with some conviction that neither the Jewish or Muslim religion used their faith to get at and rape Native children like the Christian religions did.

It is quite sickening how you take criminal acts by a few individuals and use that to condemn and entire religion. What makes it even more sickening is how you excuse Islamic suicide bombers in the same sentence. There is nothing in Christianity that condones child abuse directly or indirectly and no Christian has ever claimed that the abuse in Residential schools was justified in the name of their religion. This is not the case with Islamic suicide bombers where many Muslims support the murder of civilians in the name of God.

You have posted your opinion on historical events in some other therads but your comments make it clear that no one should take your versions of historical events seriously since you clearly have your own set of myths and deliberate distortions that you would like to have accepted as fact.

[Black Dog]

For there to be enough Muslims terrorists to feed the manpower needs of the London plots (last week's, and last summer's 7/7 attack on the Underground and buses), the Toronto 17, the Miami 7, the Mumbai train explosions last month, the Afghan insurgency, the Iraq insurgency, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Islamic Jihadi, Madrid, Bali, Mogadishu, Chechnya, LAX, the Danish cartoon riots and so on, there must be literally millions of Muslims vehemently hateful of Western culture and democracy.

Thing is, most Muslims around the world aren't "hateful of western culture and democracy". They want a piece of the action and have become frustrated that their own defeatism, the corruption of their leaders, and with the west's support of that corruption. So they are turning to the force that promises a return to the good old days when Islam was the dominant and civilizing force in the world. You want to beat that? Give them a better option and find a way to help them get there that doesn't involve invading or bombing them.

[Temagami Scourge]

River:

It is quite sickening how you take criminal acts by a few individuals and use that to condemn and entire religion.

Funny....I never see you say that about anyone condemning suicide bombing....

What makes it even more sickening is how you excuse Islamic suicide bombers in the same sentence.

Oh...sorry, when you mention suicide bombing, then everything is OK....wow, it must be nice on that medication, eh wot?

There is nothing in Christianity that condones child abuse directly or indirectly

I agree...and yet they still did it. So, does that make them honorary Muslims in your eyes?

...and no Christian has ever claimed that the abuse in Residential schools was justified in the name of their religion.

You're right River...they just wanted a piece of the fat government contract to teach the innocent waifs. The raping part was the gravy....

This is not the case with Islamic suicide bombers where many Muslims support the murder of civilians in the name of God.

Many? Wow...we've found something out about River that I've suspected all along! Yep Rive...do you even know a Muslim person? or maybe three? Even you'd bust my chops if I was to dare say that most "Whites" were evil or some crap like that.

So...in your opinion, the majority of Muslims support suicide bombings and the killing of children?

You have posted your opinion on historical events in some other therads but your comments make it clear that no one should take your versions of historical events seriously since you clearly have your own set of myths and deliberate distortions that you would like to have accepted as fact.

Wow...I would have said the same thing about you...but I would have used the word "threads". As far as I'm concerned, if people read our "to and fro-ing", I think that there might be a tad more concern about someone saying that "many" Muslims are suicide-bombing supporters, as compared to someone else who points out the fact that Christians raped Native children at residential school.

That was a mighty brave statement to make about Muslims, River.

[Army Guy]

Temagami Scourge:

They were the only ones who came here and didn't try to make the Aboriginal people to be like them or force their religion on them...nor did either religion build a residential school like the Christians were climbing over themselves to do.

One must admit all cultures have had there bad days in history, including the christians. But if you could what would you have done to correct the wrongs that yester years Canadians have done to the natives. No i'm not trolling but interested in what your opinon is.

Although people may decry Islamic suicide bombers or Israeli right-wing extremists, I can say with some conviction that neither the Jewish or Muslim religion used their faith to get at and rape Native children like the Christian religions did.

Are you saying that all christians rape native children ? Or for that matter are All christians hostile towards natives today.

I will agree with you that those responsable should have been castrated with a hot iron in the public square.for all to see.

[Riverwind]

It is quite sickening how you take criminal acts by a few individuals and use that to condemn and entire religion.

Funny....I never see you say that about anyone condemning suicide bombing....

Actually, I have many times in other threads. There is nothing in Qu'ran itself that justifies the sucide bombings - the religious justification comes from an interpretation of Islam that many Muslims reject. However, even though suicide bombings are not condoned by Islam and many Muslims reject the idea them there are also many Muslim that do support suicide bombings. There are no Christians that condone the abuse of children.

In other words, your statement that "muslims may run around killing innocent people but they are not so bad becuase at least they don't rape children like Christians" is simply rediculous and you would be denouced as a racist hate monger if you had made that statement about any other group.

[Black Dog]

There is nothing in Christianity that condones child abuse directly or indirectly and no Christian has ever claimed that the abuse in Residential schools was justified in the name of their religion. This is not the case with Islamic suicide bombers where many Muslims support the murder of civilians in the name of God.

I bet at the time of the residential school, the majority of white Christian people would have been strongly in favour of civilizing the heathens by any means necessary. And yeah, many Christians at the time would have said that residential schols (and many other practices of the church during the imperial age) were justified by their religion.

[Riverwind]

I bet at the time of the residential school, the majority of white Christian people would have been strongly in favour of civilizing the heathens by any means necessary. And yeah, many Christians at the time would have said that residential schols (and many other practices of the church during the imperial age) were justified by their religion.

You are mixing issues up. The concept of a residential school is not inherently bad - if you want to provide an education to children scattered across a large geographic area then it makes sense set up a single school and have the kids stay at the school during the school year. At the time, almost all of the British upper class attended and/or sent their kids to residential schools.

What turned the residential schools from a useful concept in theory into complete nightmare in practice was gov't underfunding, inadequate supervision and a cultural superiority complex. So if you asked Christians at the time if they supported the idea of residential schools then you would likely find that they did. If those same Christians were informed about what was really going on at some of the schools then you would have found that they would be appalled as everyone is today.

There is no separation between the concept of a suicide bombing in theory and the practice. So the minority of Muslims that rationalize and/or condone suicide bombings cannot claim that they don't know what really happens when someone blows up a plane.

[Black Dog]

You are mixing issues up. The concept of a residential school is not inherently bad - if you want to provide an education to children scattered across a large geographic area then it makes sense set up a single school and have the kids stay at the school during the school year. Almost all of the British upper class attended and/or sent their kids to residential schools at the time.

That was not the point of residential schools. They were specifically created to wipe out Aboriginal culture through forced assimilation. Nor was sending children to a residential school a choice for many families. It was not a well-intentioned idea executed badly. It was an explicit form of cultural genocide.

[Riverwind]

That was not the point of residential schools. They were specifically created to wipe out Aboriginal culture through forced assimilation. Nor was sending children to a residential school a choice for many families. It was not a well-intentioned idea executed badly. It was an explicit form of cultural genocide.

Forced assimilation is what every immigrant had to go through at the time. It is also something that happens today in 'civilized' countries like France where people are forced to attend schools that don't allow children to express their cultural identity. I have heard stories of students in Quebec being punished for not speaking French on the playground in school. Trying to slap a 'genocide' label on what happened with the residential schools is historical revisionism in its worst.

However, I agree that the residential school program was poorly thought out and that it was a disaster for most of the kids that were forced to attend.

[scribblet]

For there to be enough Muslims terrorists to feed the manpower needs of the London plots (last week's, and last summer's 7/7 attack on the Underground and buses), the Toronto 17, the Miami 7, the Mumbai train explosions last month, the Afghan insurgency, the Iraq insurgency, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Islamic Jihadi, Madrid, Bali, Mogadishu, Chechnya, LAX, the Danish cartoon riots and so on, there must be literally millions of Muslims vehemently hateful of Western culture and democracy.

Thing is, most Muslims around the world aren't "hateful of western culture and democracy". They want a piece of the action and have become frustrated that their own defeatism, the corruption of their leaders, and with the west's support of that corruption. So they are turning to the force that promises a return to the good old days when Islam was the dominant and civilizing force in the world. You want to beat that? Give them a better option and find a way to help them get there that doesn't involve invading or bombing them.

I'm not sure I agree with that, the decadence and social decay doesn't sit well with them. Look at Norway Norway: The Multiculturalist Paradise

"Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes" because their manner of dress would be regarded by Muslim men as inappropriate. "Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it."

Thus spaketh a Professor at the University of Oslo, where the problem of gang-rape has been growing in recent years. This is what modern day "liberalism" has sunk to in the name of tolerance. All on the grounds that we must "understand other cultures and not impose our values on them."

There is a clear pattern evolving here, something that creates the enemy within: young Muslim men who are generally from middle class families, not the poor. They are being radicalised after exposure to extreme Islamist elements in their communities or from trips to Pakistan or other M.E. countries.where are taught an evil brew of Islamic fundamentalism and anti-western propaganda

The modernized western countries they live in have allowed crime and social decay to run rampant, which alienates many Muslims who are taught that they are living in a disgusting society which obviously deserves to be attacked or bombed etc.

[Black Dog]

Forced assimilation is what every immigrant had to go through at the time.

Not even close. There was no "Ukranian Civilization Act". But there was a "Gradual Civilization Act" for Canada's Indians. Young Germans weren't pulled from ther ehomes and dragged off to schols wher ehey were kept almost year round and beaten if they spoke their own language. There's no parallels.

[Riverwind]

Not even close. There was no "Ukranian Civilization Act". But there was a "Gradual Civilization Act" for Canada's Indians. Young Germans weren't pulled from ther ehomes and dragged off to schols wher ehey were kept almost year round and beaten if they spoke their own language. There's no parallels.

Try again:

This afternoon, BC Ombudsman Dulcie McCallum will release a report on the Dukabor children who were taken from their families in the 1950s and put in a special school. The school was New Denver, and over the course of six years about 200 children lived within its walls. Last fall, This Morning producer Karin Wells spoke with a group of Dukabors who were at New Denver. We hear that documentary in our third hour.

http://www.cbc.ca/insite/THIS_MORNING_TORONTO/1999/4/8.html

Kids were punished at regular schools for not using English as well. At the time punishment could mean something that we would call a physical assault today. I agree things were much worse in the residential schools because they were so isolated and the teachers were accountable to no one but themselves.

[betsy]

Personally, I like the Arabs and the Jews.

They were the only ones who came here and didn't try to make the Aboriginal people to be like them or force their religion on them...nor did either religion build a residential school like the Christians were climbing over themselves to do.

Although people may decry Islamic suicide bombers or Israeli right-wing extremists, I can say with some conviction that neither the Jewish or Muslim religion used their faith to get at and rape Native children like the Christian religions did.

I hope things go well betweenthe two sects.

On another note, I couldn't help but notice Betsy's aversion to Muslims. Knowing that Betsy hails from the Phillipines, I can't help but think that she is bringing some of her "old world" garbage here to Canada. The Tagalog-speaking peoples have had a long-standing animosity towards the Moros and their ilk on islands like Mindanao and Palawan, so it would make sense for someone from Luzon or Leyte or thereabouts to ostracize Islam in any form.

Oh yeah, the Moros are Muslim, and everyone else in the Philipines are Christian, in case anyone is wondering.

There's always been a religious war going on in one of the islands of the Philippines (Mindanao)...between Christians and Muslims. The Muslims wants to kick the Christians out of Mindanao and to separate from the rest of the country. While I was still there, it was rumored that Libya was the financier behind them.

And no, don't single out the Tagalog-speaking people. The Philippines is comprised of differnt dialects. As I've said....it's Christians against Muslims in that island. The rest of the country were just appalled at the violence happening in that part of the land. But now, some of our Muslims had become your everyday terrorist...blowing up places in other parts of the country.

Excuse me, what do you mean by "ostracize?" One of my childhood playmate was a Muslim. They were the only Muslim family in our village, as far as I know...and they were accepted! Considering I come from a very small barrio.

Over the years, things had changed. The Muslims have now created their own villages outside of those troubled islands (trying to get away from the violence)....and are accepted and living among the other population. My town included.

[Yaro]

Actually, I have many times in other threads. There is nothing in Qu'ran itself that justifies the sucide bombings - the religious justification comes from an interpretation of Islam that many Muslims reject. However, even though suicide bombings are not condoned by Islam and many Muslims reject the idea them there are also many Muslim that do support suicide bombings. There are no Christians that condone the abuse of children.

Of course there is, theres justification for unspeakable violence in each of the holy texts. All of them in one part or another preach that non-believers are the enemy and should be put to the sword. That includes the Qu'ran, we should just accept that and start to deal with the realities that it creates including the fact that religion is in desperate need of severe marginalization.

In other words, your statement that "muslims may run around killing innocent people but they are not so bad becuase at least they don't rape children like Christians" is simply rediculous and you would be denouced as a racist hate monger if you had made that statement about any other group.

I agree, I am getting incredibly tired of native whining, I hate to point this out but bad things happen to good people all over the world. Its unfortunate and its the duty of every moral person to attempt to bring about change but this generations long bitch fest is only going to end up further marginalizing natives.

Thus spaketh a Professor at the University of Oslo, where the problem of gang-rape has been growing in recent years. This is what modern day "liberalism" has sunk to in the name of tolerance. All on the grounds that we must "understand other cultures and not impose our values on them."

While I agree that this point of view and indeed the notion that multiculturalism is a good thing are not very rational its clear you don't even understand the tenants of liberalism. This professor obviously deserves a good shit-kicking. As for not imposing our values, well I agree at home, I disagree abroad. If people in a foreign country live in such a way as to so badly offend your sense of morality then we as a society should make the decision not to deal with them. If they chose to come here then they should adapt to our social values and if they don't they should be exported, period. Don't try to change their home but don't change to accommodate them here.

Not even close. There was no "Ukranian Civilization Act". But there was a "Gradual Civilization Act" for Canada's Indians. Young Germans weren't pulled from ther ehomes and dragged off to schols wher ehey were kept almost year round and beaten if they spoke their own language. There's no parallels.

There most certainly are parallels, my father has dozens of stories of severe abuse from his childhood in an orphanage, beaten for using his left hand to right with, beaten for not speaking English, beaten for a hundred things. What happened to the natives in residential schools was bad but hardly without peer.