Temagami Scourge

Yes...but are you a multicultural breast man. That is the pertinent question...

Led: My brother! Wow...you must be a breast man. Damned lucky Germo-Ruso-Franco-Hungariano-Iro-Metis bastard! (N.B. Oh...I mean a nice bastard -like the kind brothers use to describe one another, not the "questioning your ancestry type of bastard" -author) Now I'm envious....

Bleu: Yes, but as a form of evening enjoyment, not as part of a state-planned policy. That is the key difference.

Frere Bleu: You can do whatever you want. Treaty payments come from the Crown, so they can use whatever money they see fit to maintain their obligation for the original land exchange. I just don't want you to feel that you are giving Natives anything. Your parents were..and they ran up the debt you currently are paying for, so don't give me this crap about "history" when we are all still paying for your ancestor's mistakes. Which explains why you lack any reality base concerning Canadian history. If asked, I would have thought you were born yesterday. Nope, which is why I don't promote it. no, but your American cousins certainly are on their border with Mexico. Then don't come crying to me when you see the Yankees building a fence between our countries. I never once considered you representative of all white males, but if you feel that way, then crown yourself as such. I just think you think like Geoff and a few others here, who create topics like: "We pay while Indians live in luxury", then give us a link to a news story that explains that the people affected are not all Aboriginal, but the Natives are the ones focussed on, and then the whining starts when a few of us point out that the topic heading is spun to focus specifically on Native people. You don't seem to mind that fact. In fact, you've been a pillar of support for people like Geoff. coming from you....a long, long time ago. Really? Where? They are already in the framework. What would make you think otherwise? listening to Geoff? He's a separatist who is caught lying repeatedly. Do you actually believe that Native people aren't Paramedics, Firemen and Police? Are you for friggin' real? You are consistently proving my point about your screwed-up reasoning. You actually think that white Canadians hold these jobs? Buddy...Native people are firemen and police in Calgary and Edmonton, not just on reserve. you sound as retarded as White Mens Jobs (aka Who's doing who) No, I want the government to live up to it's treaty obligations and roll back it's racist laws, like the Indian Act, so we can be self-determining and live under our own laws and regulations.

I invite you to check the thread Negotiating Separation on the Federal forum. Very generally, I have three main issues c. separatism: -the grievances that drive it are exaggerated or even fictional; -destruction of Canada would be a terrible shame; -separatists' agendas implicitly deny the valid interests of other Canadians outside their clique. If no one else says so, those are three solid points Mr. (or Ms.) Leaf. I am especially attuned to the first point in particular. That is the kind of thing that makes people try to say that they are "just as oppressed" as Native people in this country. Thank you for your insight.

Hydra: Imitation is the sincerest for of flattery. As I said, you people can't even make a proper gibe without copying what I said in an earlier post in order to do it. Your natural "follower" abilities betray you, my fine prairie friend. That is part of the reason why you need Eastern leadership and guidance. Left to your own devices, you'll use up your resources in no time and will be back with hat in hand, begging for more scraps from Canada's table. fear not, though Hydro. I'm not like you. I would gladly extend a helping hand and care for you and yours. I mean heck, I've done it for years already...why stop now?

Heffie: Perks? You mean like butt-rape at the hands of priests? Wow some perk. keep it coming lads....

Heffie: What a load of bull-pucky. This does indeed happen, regardless of race. The key is that there is a response to a defined need. You are the one who wrote "We pay while indians live in luxury", only to say that it's not all native people actually living in the old buildings, but they are the main ones! Who argues like that and then turns around and gets upset when people point out that it's racist. Look...a "normal" person could have easily entitled this thread "Impoverished put up in hotel at taxpayers expense"....but no, It's Indians. Yes...you single out the Natives and then whine when you are called on it. Here in Toronto, we talk about "Homeless", or the "addicted", but we don't say "Homeless Natives oh and others too "

Bleu: Seeing as how your Crown's ideas of "helping" natives included residential schools, purposefully taking children away from families in the 60's, and in extreme cases, enforced sterilization, I'd say there was a very strong argument for segregation. However, I'd prefer to let the Aboriginal people deal with these issues themselves...and it would help more if your government bothered to live up to their treaty obligations and stopped considering us for grand social experiments. In other words, let's work as equals, and not as wards of the State. Why don't you pressure your government to live up to it's obligations? We traded the land for certain rights, and the government has eroded those rights unilaterally without any consultation with Natives. Do you prefer that we remain wards? Don't you think it would help if the Natives took control over their lives and began enforcing our laws?

Bleu: Sorry, I missed this earlier: You mean they already haven't? Where is a federal poverty reduction strategy? Why don't they lead the fight? The Feds committed to eradiicating child poverty by the year 2000 in 1989...and yet the number of kids living in poverty has increased by over one percent -representing a further 500,000 kids. so, you tell me. Has Canada done anything to halt poverty? No. Drugs? We have Crystal Meth running through the country now, and it's increasing. What have you done to halt any of these ills Bleu? Go to school to learn about them? You mean they don't already? That has been the preferred course of action in this country since, say, 1867. Oooh...I'm sorry. The Indian Act was changed in the late 50's to make Indians unilateral Canadian citizens, and it was amended in the early 1960's to give us the vote we have been missing since 1867...oh, and it was changed in the 80's to allow women to retain their status. What progress, Bleu! Keep it coming!!! You're doing such a great job!!!

Geoffie: No...I simply call'em as I sees 'em. And to back myself up, Bleu ranted on another thread about Natives being "given" education, like they never paid for it by exchanging the land. Hmmmm. I think I have you two figured out....and i think that bugs you. Sorry.

Heffie: Although you aren't directing this query at me, I firmly believe that you need appropriate, Eastern-based leadership. Even you exemplify the typical Alberta trait of flying off the handle without thinking ahead. You need good, steady leadership, and if you want I'll offer my services to be your leader or "guru". I can provide the foresight you, and nearly everyone else in your province, lacks. You can thank me later.

Tsi: I knew one named Canadian Blue who thinks that all Aboriginal people need help to overcome their social ills because they can't seem to do it themselves.

My sig is similar, for similar reasons. My sig is meant for guys like the three of you. I guess were even.

I'm supposed to be in Edmonton in the spring, at the hotel in the Mall. Date and time pending. I didn't know we (Easterners) allowed you people to have Tim Horton's. It's good to see that you're taking another step towards civilization. We can discuss your surrender terms over an Ice Cap. Actually, you don't let us have Tim Horton's. I was referring to Tim Polanski who own'e the NAPA in town. Makes great muffins. And, sorry, we ain't got no Ice Cap. But the Esso makes coffee fresh on odd-numbered days. Hell, we caint even spel serrender!!! Does Tim have a sister? I've always been partial to females of Polish extraction....with their healthy chests and all. I can say "thank you" in their language. I'm working on the surrender bit, though....it's easier in German (Thank You, Sargeant Rock!)