Diversity Stress

[I am Groot]

The Left has been beating society over the head with the phrase "Diversity is our strength" for decades now, with no evidence whatsoever to support the belief, but an abundance of curses and insults directed at anyone who challenges it. Of course, the people pushing it are rarely those who have to deal with it. It's the peasants who have to live, day to day, amid a growing throng of people who barely speak their language, don't care about or for their culture, and in many cases, resent them due to decades of cultural propaganda in their homelands which blamed whites for all manner of social ills. Their former countries were poor because they were cheated, not because of corrupt, incompetent governments.

We go about our lives as usual, but the everyday interactions we have in the course of our days are now frequently with people who are not like us. Communication is sparse, confined to business. It often lacks the casual friendliness of dealing with people just like us. Half the time, their language skills are clearly not capable of much in the way of conversation, and in many cases they exude a strong of foreignness which suggests they'd have little interest anyway. The difference is notable. When we get a person on the phone without an accent, for example, or a repair person shows up who was born here, or an Uber driver who is white, we feel a bit of a sense of relief. Easy interaction often follows. It isn't just about language, nor at all about colour. The South Asian repair guy sent by your internet company can speak understandably, at least, but clearly doesn't give a damn about anything and is uninterested in your level of satisfaction. The bored bank teller might or might not understand you, but there's definitely no friendliness there, just script following. You'll exchange no banter with the people at the store, and usually sit quietly in the back of your uber or taxi since the driver can barely grunt a few words in English. In all of this the social in society is lost.

And you know things are only going to get worse because the political elites keep flooding us with foreigners for their own purposes, and the flood is far too large to integrate even if we urged them to, which the elites most definitely do not do. And as the minorities become the majority, and they don't think like you or have the same culture as you, what then? Then they vote for one of theirs to run things, like the minority majority did in the mayoral elections in New York and London. Then the state/provincial governments become like that, then the federal government. And none of them, competing as they do for tribal votes, give a damn about what you want or think. 

https://archive.is/jYDmf

[Michael Hardner]

You decry "no evidence" then proceed with anecdotal evidence and shadowy leagues of "elites".

 

There's certainly a conversation to be had, if people can leave their baggage outside.

[herbie]

The usual racist bullshit post.
I've ssn no evidence of 'foreigners' flooding us.  A handful of MAN and Bedford safari tpye trucks, but those are just tourists. Plenty of Americans, but they're not foreigners in my books.
Maybe you speak of the Ukranians taking refuge here who don't hide their identity inside cultural events only like the kids I grew up with in the 1960s? Or the Syrian who bought the Drug Store? Well he's not a foreigner anymore, he's one of us.

Perhaps it's the anti-immigrant fascists who've stalled the economy, cost thousands of educational layoffs and crippled universities ad schools of their funding that should go somewhere else.

[paxamericana]

42 minutes ago, herbie said:

Plenty of Americans, but they're not foreigners in my books.

Ha I knew it! Feelings mutual 51ster.

[paxamericana]

47 minutes ago, herbie said:

Perhaps it's the anti-immigrant fascists who've stalled the economy, cost thousands of educational layoffs and crippled universities ad schools of their funding that should go somewhere else.

You know you wouldn’t need to import people or votes if you all decided to have more children. Seriously, more babies means less need for immigrants. @Michael Hardner

[Michael Hardner]

43 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

  Seriously, more babies means less need for immigrants. @Michael Hardner

I know that.

Also the birthrate ticks up, I believe, at the higher end of the wealth curve.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The Left has been beating society over the head with the phrase "Diversity is our strength" for decades now, with no evidence whatsoever to support the belief, but an abundance of curses and insults directed at anyone who challenges it. Of course, the people pushing it are rarely those who have to deal with it. It's the peasants who have to live, day to day, amid a growing throng of people who barely speak their language, don't care about or for their culture, and in many cases, resent them due to decades of cultural propaganda in their homelands which blamed whites for all manner of social ills. Their former countries were poor because they were cheated, not because of corrupt, incompetent governments.

We go about our lives as usual, but the everyday interactions we have in the course of our days are now frequently with people who are not like us. Communication is sparse, confined to business. It often lacks the casual friendliness of dealing with people just like us. Half the time, their language skills are clearly not capable of much in the way of conversation, and in many cases they exude a strong of foreignness which suggests they'd have little interest anyway. The difference is notable. When we get a person on the phone without an accent, for example, or a repair person shows up who was born here, or an Uber driver who is white, we feel a bit of a sense of relief. Easy interaction often follows. It isn't just about language, nor at all about colour. The South Asian repair guy sent by your internet company can speak understandably, at least, but clearly doesn't give a damn about anything and is uninterested in your level of satisfaction. The bored bank teller might or might not understand you, but there's definitely no friendliness there, just script following. You'll exchange no banter with the people at the store, and usually sit quietly in the back of your uber or taxi since the driver can barely grunt a few words in English. In all of this the social in society is lost.

And you know things are only going to get worse because the political elites keep flooding us with foreigners for their own purposes, and the flood is far too large to integrate even if we urged them to, which the elites most definitely do not do. And as the minorities become the majority, and they don't think like you or have the same culture as you, what then? Then they vote for one of theirs to run things, like the minority majority did in the mayoral elections in New York and London. Then the state/provincial governments become like that, then the federal government. And none of them, competing as they do for tribal votes, give a damn about what you want or think. 

https://archive.is/jYDmf

The left is at its heart all about authoritarianism. Right wing ideology can exist without centralized authority for the most part or certainly with limited centralized authority but left wing politics requires a strong centralized authority and obedience to it in order to achieve it stated goals. You can't control speech, redistribute wealth, collect tax etc etc without the benefit of a powerful centralized gov't. 

That requires a certain level of weakness amongst the people. If the people themselves are strong and capable of providing for their own needs then they don't have any interest in a centralized authority

If however the people are weak and divided and do not share a common set of beliefs or goals or morals or ethics then it becomes much easier to claim that we need a strong central authority to manage all of these diverse interests

When they say diversity is our strength they're referring specifically to the government. Diversity is a blessing to centralize authority

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The left is at its heart all about authoritarianism.

We're too busy Laughing Our Ass' Off at you people to bother enslaving you!

The left is at its heart all about authoritarianism... 🤣

To be honest though, you won't be hearing to much complaining from me if public safety requires us to round you dingbats up get ya'll on a course of thorazine treatment.

If nothing else the end of the world won't be so unbearable with the comic relief you people provide.

Meanwhile, the hard boiled right, at it's black unforgiving uncompromising heart, is all about religion and shackling human minds to it's supernatural gibberish.

Which explains why they say stupid shit like the left is at its heart all about authoritarianism... 🤣

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The Left has been beating society over the head with the phrase "Diversity is our strength" for decades now, 

https://archive.is/jYDmf

The right has been beating society over the head with their conviction commies have taken over for much longer.

From the article...I’d just then experienced an acute case of what I’ve come to call diversity stress or migration fatigue: the pervasive anxiety that attends life in societies buffeted by too much...

Blah blah blah...

Yes we've seen this stress manifest before many times...too much hair...too much sex, drugs and rock and roll...too much civil rights...too much environmentalism...it just goes on and on and on.

But above all else and at the heart of right wing grievance politics...too much leftism.

So fùckin' do something about it already or stfu.

[Moonlight Graham]

The good news for Canada is that conflict over multicultural schisms (besides old anglo/ French/ indigenous tensions) have been a lot more intense in countries like the UK, France, and the US.  So whatever happens there (good or bad) hopefully we'll be able to learn those lessons and course correct if necessary before they get as bad here as whatever happens there.

I think what we need in Canada is a stronger focus on national identity to foster unity where everyone feels like they're on the same team.  Putting most of the focus on how we're all different will also deepen tribalism.

The left tend to be naive idealists and often don't think through their ideas to their logical conclusions.  Actions have consequences that may not be apparent until decades down the line.

Birth control, abortion, divorce rights, immigration etc all have their place in society, but progressives rarely if ever have frank discussions on when they might go too far and the negatives that may result. In fact it makes them feel threatened, plus they don't want to give any wind to conservatives who oppose them.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

We're too busy Laughing Our Ass' Off at you people to bother enslaving you!

 

Aww... that's what you always say when you realize you look stupid. Sorry to end your weekend like that little guy  

and in fact the research I published today on this forum proves that you're not laughing laughing your ass is off. As a group you're experiencing severe depression and mental health issues.

Feel better  

[Michael Hardner]

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The good news for Canada is that conflict over multicultural schisms (besides old anglo/ French/ indigenous tensions) have been a lot more intense in countries like the UK, France, and the US.  So whatever happens there (good or bad) hopefully we'll be able to learn those lessons and course correct if necessary before they get as bad here as whatever happens there.

I think what we need in Canada is a stronger focus on national identity to foster unity where everyone feels like they're on the same team.  Putting most of the focus on how we're all different will also deepen tribalism.

The left tend to be naive idealists and often don't think through their ideas to their logical conclusions.  Actions have consequences that may not be apparent until decades down the line.

Birth control, abortion, divorce rights, immigration etc all have their place in society, but progressives rarely if ever have frank discussions on when they might go too far and the negatives that may result. In fact it makes them feel threatened, plus they don't want to give any wind to conservatives who oppose them.

I like a lot of this. 

To me, practical people of the left and right need to start leading versus following. Especially in Canada, where to my my experience most people are practical about our prospects. 

Social issues like birth control, abortion, divorce haven't changed much I don't think. So I don't expect those areas to be in the arena of discussion of policy. 

Immigration though, is now an open question. I agree that progressives aren't talking about it enough.