President Trump, other Christian leaders dedicate America back to the God of the Bible

[West]

Beautiful gathering 

 

 

[West]

 

 

 

 

[West]

 

 

[robosmith]

47 minutes ago, West said:

 

 

 

 

Without government power to protect your rights, anyone more powerful than you, can effectively deny your rights.

[gatomontes99]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Without government power to protect your rights, anyone more powerful than you, can effectively deny your rights.

Nope. American Exceptionalism is the distinctly unique concept that the government is not the source of rights. Rather, our federal government is tasked with protecting the rights that are natural and given to us by our Creator. 

A government that gives you rights is not giving you rights, rather privileges. Those privileges are subject to the whims of the beauracracy. 

[robosmith]

@West insane laughter will not protect your rights.

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said:

Nope. American Exceptionalism is the distinctly unique concept that the government is not the source of rights. Rather, our federal government is tasked with protecting the rights that are natural and given to us by our Creator. 

Like I said, if the government fails to protect your rights, they are just a fantasy in your mind, because anyone more powerful than you can deny them..

1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said:

A government that gives you rights is not giving you rights, rather privileges. Those privileges are subject to the whims of the beauracracy. 

Only a powerful government with the strong intention and ACTION to protect your rights can make them effective.

Otherwise power superior to yours can deny them. That is FACT and you cannot cite how they are otherwise  protected.

[herbie]

So once again he violates the principles of the US Constitution and you praise it as a good thing?

"useful idi0ts"

[West]

46 minutes ago, herbie said:

So once again he violates the principles of the US Constitution and you praise it as a good thing?

"useful idi0ts"

The founding fathers dedicated the nation to the Lord Jesus 250 years ago

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, herbie said:

So once again he violates the principles of the US Constitution and you praise it as a good thing?

"useful idi0ts"

Violates the Constitution?

Care to explain how?

[Barquentine]

9 hours ago, West said:

The founding fathers dedicated the nation to the Lord Jesus 250 years ago

That is simply false!

The Core Facts

• No mention of Jesus: Neither the Declaration of Independence (1776) nor the U.S. Constitution (1787) mentions Jesus Christ or Christianity. The Constitution only references God indirectly (as "Creator") and explicitly states in Article VI that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office."
• The Treaty of Tripoli: In 1797, the U.S. Senate unanimously ratified the Treaty of Tripoli, which was signed by President John Adams. Article 11 states unequivocally: "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Beliefs of the Founders

The founding generation held highly diverse religious views: [1, 2, 3]

• Some, like Samuel Adams and John Jay, were orthodox Christians.
• Others, such as Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and John Adams, leaned heavily toward Deism or Enlightenment-era rationalism. They believed in a Creator, but largely rejected miracles and the divinity of Jesus. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Separation of Church and State

The founders purposefully separated religion from government to prevent the sectarian conflicts that had historically plagued Europe. They established religious freedom so that no single faith—including Christianity—would be favored by the government, ensuring all citizens could worship (or not worship) according to their own conscience

[Nationalist]

49 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

The Constitution only references God indirectly (as "Creator")

Yes. And this "Creator" is "God".

The one commonality of the 3 Abrahamic religions. 

"In God We Trust"

[West]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

That is simply false!

The Core Facts

• No mention of Jesus: Neither the Declaration of Independence (1776) nor the U.S. Constitution (1787) mentions Jesus Christ or Christianity. The Constitution only references God indirectly (as "Creator") and explicitly states in Article VI that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office."
• The Treaty of Tripoli: In 1797, the U.S. Senate unanimously ratified the Treaty of Tripoli, which was signed by President John Adams. Article 11 states unequivocally: "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

 

Beliefs of the Founders

The founding generation held highly diverse religious views: [1, 2, 3]

• Some, like Samuel Adams and John Jay, were orthodox Christians.
• Others, such as Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and John Adams, leaned heavily toward Deism or Enlightenment-era rationalism. They believed in a Creator, but largely rejected miracles and the divinity of Jesus. [1, 2, 3, 4]

 

Separation of Church and State

The founders purposefully separated religion from government to prevent the sectarian conflicts that had historically plagued Europe. They established religious freedom so that no single faith—including Christianity—would be favored by the government, ensuring all citizens could worship (or not worship) according to their own conscience

Congress called the national day of prayer May 17, 1776 where they repented of sin and dedicated the nation to the God of the Bible. This was in preparation of the declaration of Independence and the drafting of the constitution 

[Deluge]

12 hours ago, robosmith said:

Without government power to protect your rights, anyone more powerful than you, can effectively deny your rights.

"Government power" is what excites robomarx. 

[User]

12 hours ago, herbie said:

So once again he violates the principles of the US Constitution and you praise it as a good thing?

"useful idi0ts"

You have clearly demonstrated the get and over again you have little understanding of the principles of the US Constitution 

[Nationalist]

21 minutes ago, Deluge said:

"Government power" is what excites robomarx. 

That and...you know...the latest in Spring sundress fashion.

[User]

13 hours ago, robosmith said:

Without government power to protect your rights, anyone more powerful than you, can effectively deny your rights.

You are too ignorant to grasp the difference between where rights are derived from and protecting them.

Also… you are the party that rejects the foundational right regarding bearing arms, which also gives the people the power to protect their rights. 
 

[paxamericana]

13 hours ago, robosmith said:

Without government power to protect your rights, anyone more powerful than you, can effectively deny your rights.

???? That doesn’t even make sense. Or pass the bs detector. Goverments have a long historical track record of devolving into tyranny. That’s literally how western religions came about. You should go read your Bible. Specifically the Old Testament Exodus.
 

Our founders knew that. That’s why it’s one nation under God. Your rights are endowed by your creator and are unalienable. 

Edited May 18 by paxamericana

[User]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

That is simply false!

He said “dedicated”

 

[Deluge]

14 hours ago, robosmith said:

Like I said, if the government fails to protect your rights, they are just a fantasy in your mind, because anyone more powerful than you can deny them..

But you're one of the a$$holes who fights to keep illegal aliens IN the country. What gives? 

[herbie]

15 hours ago, West said:

The founding fathers dedicated the nation to the Lord Jesus 250 years ago

And you believ your own lies....

[Hodad]

5 hours ago, paxamericana said:

???? That doesn’t even make sense. Or pass the bs detector. Goverments have a long historical track record of devolving into tyranny. That’s literally how western religions came about. You should go read your Bible. Specifically the Old Testament Exodus.
 

Our founders knew that. That’s why it’s one nation under God. Your rights are endowed by your creator and are unalienable. 

"One nation under god" has nothing at all to do with the founders. The pledge of allegiance didn't come around until the 1950s. 

The founders--quite intentionally-did NOT include any mentions of god/Jesus etc. in our constitution. It was omitted because the idea of a government of, by and for the people was a dramatic departure from the "divine rights" from which more primitive governments claimed to derive power. 

If you want to know about our government, don't read the bible. Has nothing to do with it. 
 

Edited May 18 by Hodad

[paxamericana]

2 minutes ago, Hodad said:

If you want to know about our government, don't read the bible. Has nothing to do with it. 

Are you sure about that? Ready to be crucified on this idea? It’s not too late for the delete.

[Hodad]

1 minute ago, paxamericana said:

Are you sure about that? Ready to be crucified on this idea? It’s not too late for the delete.

🙄I'm super worried about a history lesson from the guy who thinks the founders wrote the pledge of allegiance. 

 

[paxamericana]

Just now, Hodad said:

🙄I'm super worried about a history lesson from the guy who thinks the founders wrote the pledge of allegiance. 

 

How far back are we going? Under God was a Cold War distinction from the godless commie. The original pledge was written by a Baptist minister to assimilate the different tribes of European immigrants. 
 

Explain how you’re going to leave god out of this again?