So much for 'life-saving' gender affirming care - Finnish study suggests mental health deteriorates after treatment

[CdnFox]

So much for 'life saving' gender affirming care | National Post

Now you never want to look at just one study, even one that's fairly comprehensive as this is. But as noted it's one of the only ones with any length of time and decent sample size.  So it's the best indication we've had so far of the effects. 

And so far the indication is that if anything people's mental health deteriorates somewhat and that this 'care' isn't very useful. 

To me, this is especially a red flag for kids.  Many people here and elsewhere have suggested that if you don't want to allow transgender surgery for children you must hate children and want them dead. ( @CrakHoBarbie )  But this indicates that those of us who had serious concerns about transition for youth were correct and it probably does more harm than good. 

 

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[blackbird]

This is another reason there should be a public enquiry into the Tumbler Ridge mass shooting.  The public needs know exactly what led to this tragedy.

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[Michael Hardner]

For those who have made up their minds, one study is all they need to prove them right.

There are lots of studies... and the social sphere is adjusting on all sides in the worlds of polite company, youth sports, and so on and so on....

Most of us are focused on bigger things.  To quote @August1991 ... "we" get along...

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

This is another reason there should be a public enquiry into the Tumbler Ridge mass shooting.  The public need to know exactly what led to this tragedy.

Well I believe there is an inquiry underway actually. No did I expect it to actually hear anything unpolitical

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

For those who have made up their minds, one study is all they need to prove them right.

There are lots of studies... and the social sphere is adjusting on all sides in the worlds of polite company, youth sports, and so on and so on....

Most of us are focused on bigger things.  To quote @August1991 ... "we" get along...

Your usual argument, "Why are we even talking about this"   You break it out whenever you can't actually argue facts because you don't like what the facts say

If it's not an important issue in Canada then just ban it for children to be done with it. No big deal right?

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well I believe there is an inquiry underway actually. No did I expect it to actually hear anything unpolitical

The nightly news says there is a police investigation underway, not a public enquiry.  A police investigation is not the same thing at all.  Police are investigating all the criminal aspects, not necessarily the root causes behind it.  Police are also bound by confidentiality in certain ways.

 

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[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The nightly news says there is a police investigation underway, not a public enquiry.  A police investigation is not the same thing at all.  Police are investigating all the criminal aspects, not necessarily the root causes behind it.

 

Well let's see where they come up with first and then we can go from there. I don't know that there's much to discover honestly. The guy was nuts and dangerous.

The police reports usually come out with a fair bit of good stuff about motive in the sense that they usually investigate his friends and his online content and offer insights from that as to what may have motivated them. But honestly what's in inquiry going to find Beyond those kinds of facts?

[blackbird]

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well let's see where they come up with first and then we can go from there. I don't know that there's much to discover honestly. The guy was nuts and dangerous.

The police reports usually come out with a fair bit of good stuff about motive in the sense that they usually investigate his friends and his online content and offer insights from that as to what may have motivated them. But honestly what's in inquiry going to find Beyond those kinds of facts?

There are major differences between police investigations and public enquiries as this article shows.

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Public inquiries can uncover information that police investigations cannot access due to legal exemptions and protections. Here are some key points:

Legal Exemptions: Institutions may withhold certain information during lawful investigations to protect the integrity of the process and prevent self-incrimination. 

Public Inquiries: These inquiries are commissioned by government ministers to address public concerns and can reveal details that police may not disclose, such as the circumstances surrounding serious incidents or misconduct. 

Confidentiality: Information obtained during police investigations may be kept confidential to ensure effective law enforcement and protect sources of information. 

Public Interest: The purpose of public inquiries is to establish facts and prevent future occurrences, often leading to recommendations that may influence further legal actions. 

Access to Information Act: This act allows institutions to protect information that could hinder lawful investigations, ensuring that sensitive details remain confidential. 

These factors illustrate how public inquiries can provide insights that police investigations may not be able to access, 

emphasizing the importance of public inquiry processes in safeguarding sensitive information.

6 Sources

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[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

There are major differences between police investigations and public enquiries as this article shows.

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Public inquiries can uncover information that police investigations cannot access due to legal exemptions and protections. Here are some key points:

Legal Exemptions: Institutions may withhold certain information during lawful investigations to protect the integrity of the process and prevent self-incrimination. 

Public Inquiries: These inquiries are commissioned by government ministers to address public concerns and can reveal details that police may not disclose, such as the circumstances surrounding serious incidents or misconduct. 

Confidentiality: Information obtained during police investigations may be kept confidential to ensure effective law enforcement and protect sources of information. 

Public Interest: The purpose of public inquiries is to establish facts and prevent future occurrences, often leading to recommendations that may influence further legal actions. 

Access to Information Act: This act allows institutions to protect information that could hinder lawful investigations, ensuring that sensitive details remain confidential. 

These factors illustrate how public inquiries can provide insights that police investigations may not be able to access, 

emphasizing the importance of public inquiry processes in safeguarding sensitive information.

6 Sources

Yeah all of that's bullshit bud. The vast majority of public inquiries never find anything interesting. Public inquiries are what governments call to get good paying jobs for their friends and delay things.

We had the public inquiry and the missing women, the document is useless and cost us something like 50 million

Name me one public inquiry which really produced results that changed things Next to lower substantially or uncovered serious evidence that we were able to take action on. In most cases they either cover something up or blame something other than the politicians who ordered it

The police report will be interesting. As a general rule they've done a reasonable amount of Investigation to see what the motivation was. This one's kind of political so we'll have to see how watered down it is

[CrakHoBarbie]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 you must hate children and want them dead. 

 

 

I never implied that.

But you just keep on trollin' pea brain.

You're always good for a laugh.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjA0I3gp4iUAxVCOkQIHRU2A2cQo7QBegQIFBAF&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dv3GltAQHJm4&usg=AOvVaw02dk6cHmLvn6xmn-MexvbF&opi=89978449

 

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

 

I never implied that.

 

You have many times

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But you just keep on trollin' pea brain.

You realize in that sentence you are the pea brain   I think you missed a comma

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You're always good for a laugh.

We don't even need you here to laugh at you  

So you made a big deal of wanting to follow the science before. Now that the science is showing the transition is Highly Questionable and may cause more problems than it solves are you willing to change your position with regards to transiting children?

[CrakHoBarbie]

53 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You have many times

 

Wrong.

I never said you hate children nor want them dead.

I stated that the policies you advocate could lead to more trans suicides, thats a fact.

You're such a drama queen. 

I guess when all you got is this forum, ties to reality get loose.

Huh pal?

[CdnFox]

On 4/25/2026 at 11:25 AM, CrakHoBarbie said:

Wrong.

I'm sorry but you did. I can understand you being embarrassed about it now but that doesn't change the fact.

Not only that but you constantly say we're terrible people for not following the science. Well as we can see and as you were told the science tends to support us

On 4/25/2026 at 11:25 AM, CrakHoBarbie said:

I never said you hate children nor want them dead.

I stated that the policies you advocate could lead to more trans suicides, thats a fact.

You literally said that me and people like me were killing trans kids. There was no misunderstanding, you said it several times. That I and people like me were literally killing trans people. 

 

On 4/25/2026 at 11:25 AM, CrakHoBarbie said:

You're such a drama queen. 

Uh huh   Sure sweetie. 

On 4/25/2026 at 11:25 AM, CrakHoBarbie said:

I guess when all you got is this forum, ties to reality get loose.

Huh pal?

Well, considering you're the one that's having a problem with reality I'm afraid you'll have to tell us  

You:  YOU"RE KILLING TRANS PEOPLE!!!! YOU AND YOUR KIND KILL THEM EVERY DAY!!! AHHAHH!!"

me:  No, in fact the experts say we shouldn't transition kids.  And look, here's a study that shows it may actually make things worse. It's wrong to say I'm killing people. 

You: "REEEEEEEEEEE I NEVER SAID YOU WERE KILLING PEOPLE GOD WHAT A DRAMA QUEEEEEEEEEEN!!! DERP!"

Lol!  Ok there little girl, I think it's time for you to back off on the hormone treatments  

Experts around the world are recognizing that transitioning may cause more problems than it solves and should not be done with children. 

 

Now funny enough i spent time last night with some parents of a couple of kids i grew up with, one of which transitioned a number of years ago.  THAT kid was a mess, constantly into massive troulbe, bipolar, constantly miserable and life was just not working as a girl, and there was serious gender dysphoria.  They found a good psychiatrist and worked with some doctors and determined that trasitioning was the right thing and now his life is vastly improved and he's a functional and happy person  They're still doing well after all this time so it worked for him

So obviously, in conjunction with other treatments and counseling, it can be a solution for some people.  

But. we do it too much, too readily, and we should never be doing it for kids except in the most extreme or rare situations. 

 

 

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

48 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'm sorry but you did. I can understand you being embarrassed about it now but that doesn't change the fact.

Not only that but you constantly say we're terrible people for not following the science. Well as we can see and as you were told the science tends to support us

You literally said that me and people like me were killing trans kids. There was no misunderstanding, you said it several times. That I and people like me were literally killing trans people. 

 

Uh huh   Sure sweetie. 

Well, considering you're the one that's having a problem with reality I'm afraid you'll have to tell us  

You:  YOU"RE KILLING TRANS PEOPLE!!!! YOU AND YOUR KIND KILL THEM EVERY DAY!!! AHHAHH!!"

me:  No, in fact the experts say we shouldn't transition kids.  And look, here's a study that shows it may actually make things worse. It's wrong to say I'm killing people. 

You: "REEEEEEEEEEE I NEVER SAID YOU WERE KILLING PEOPLE GOD WHAT A DRAMA QUEEEEEEEEEEN!!! DERP!"

Lol!  Ok there little girl, I think it's time for you to back off on the hormone treatments  

Experts around the world are recognizing that transitioning may cause more problems than it solves and should not be done with children. 

 

Now funny enough i spent time last night with some parents of a couple of kids i grew up with, one of which transitioned a number of years ago.  THAT kid was a mess, constantly into massive troulbe, bipolar, constantly miserable and life was just not working as a girl, and there was serious gender dysphoria.  They found a good psychiatrist and worked with some doctors and determined that trasitioning was the right thing and now his life is vastly improved and he's a functional and happy person  They're still doing well after all this time so it worked for him

So obviously, in conjunction with other treatments and counseling, it can be a solution for some people.  

But. we do it too much, too readily, and we should never be doing it for kids except in the most extreme or rare situations. 

 

 

 

Never said you hate and kill trans kids.

Your just a loser imbicle who lives on this forum.

A right wing hack.

You have no credibility,  exactly the opposite.

But dont stop trolling ( as if you could stop), its always fun ( but never surprising) to laugh at the garbage you come up with.

Its all you're worth.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Never said you hate and kill trans kids.

Your just a loser imbicle who lives on this forum.

A right wing hack.

You have no credibility,  exactly the opposite.

But dont stop trolling ( as if you could stop), its always fun ( but never surprising) to laugh at the garbage you come up with.

Its all you're worth.

You absolutely said that me personally and others like me were killing trans kids all the time. That is exactly what you said precisely.

Now you're mad because you're getting called out for it and you know I'm right and you're angry

You're the one with no credibility kid. Not one person here takes you seriously, as I have said to you before you the comic relief

And I never troll. I'm just correcting the lies you've told in the past

It is absolutely cruel to transition kids, in fact you called me a killer for pointing out.

Transitioning is not always helpful and in fact frequently harmful and we have to remember that these are mental health issues and not just personality issues

These things are true. The truth makes you angry. Sorry for your bad luck

[User]

On 4/24/2026 at 11:54 AM, Michael Hardner said:

For those who have made up their minds, one study is all they need to prove them right.

There are lots of studies... and the social sphere is adjusting on all sides in the worlds of polite company, youth sports, and so on and so on....

Most of us are focused on bigger things.  To quote @August1991 ... "we" get along...

ROFL… Typical.

You guys push this garbage, but when the tide turns, the tactics you engage in are to act like this isn’t an issue. 
 

Yet here you are… 

[User]

On 4/25/2026 at 11:25 AM, CrakHoBarbie said:

Wrong.

I never said you hate children nor want them dead.

I stated that the policies you advocate could lead to more trans suicides, thats a fact.

You're such a drama queen. 

I guess when all you got is this forum, ties to reality get loose.

Huh pal?

Reality?

You are the ones on here pushing that dudes who think they are women are and society should all play along with their delusions or fetish.

 

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, User said:

You guys push this garbage, but when the tide turns, the tactics you engage in are to act like this isn’t an issue. 

"Why are we even talking about this" is a hugely popular tactic on the left and one of Mike's personal favorites. 

[WestCanMan]

There are a lot of things that young people look forward to, thinking it will make them happy, eg "I'll feel better when I _________", and a lot of times "_______" is a really bad decision.

Eg, get some weed, get drunk, have sex with that guy/girl that my parents hate, drop out of school, play video games for 16 hrs straight, beat up that kid, do parkour in that abandoned building, get a tattoo on my neck, etc, and then they regret it. As long as those mistakes aren't fatal, most of them can be undone. 

But rendering yourself infertile can never be undone, and it cuts to the core of "life as a mammal". As such, it's not a decision that a child should make, especially based on the lies of left4rd cultists who are pretending to help them, with no input from their parents.

People who tell children that "men can get pregnant" should be thrown in prison with the r4pists and murderers.

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

There are a lot of things that young people look forward to, thinking it will make them happy, eg "I'll feel better when I _________", and a lot of times "_______" is a really bad decision.

Eg, get some weed, get drunk, have sex with that guy/girl that my parents hate, drop out of school, play video games for 16 hrs straight, beat up that kid, do parkour in that abandoned building, get a tattoo on my neck, etc, and then they regret it. As long as those mistakes aren't fatal, most of them can be undone. 

But rendering yourself infertile can never be undone, and it cuts to the core of "life as a mammal". As such, it's not a decision that a child should make, especially based on the lies of left4rd cultists who are pretending to help them, with no input from their parents.

People who tell children that "men can get pregnant" should be thrown in prison with the r4pists and murderers.

True.  

Also, HBO would like to talk to you about acquiring the rights to your diary. 

[WestCanMan]

On 4/24/2026 at 11:54 AM, Michael Hardner said:

For those who have made up their minds, one study is all they need to prove them right.

"Trust the science" 😉

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There are lots of studies...

Most of which are done with a goal in mind, or funded by groups whose desired outcome is well-known. And they can even get several studies done if they want, and only publish the results that they like. 

Studies are no more than dishonest talking points most of the time. 

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Most of us are focused on bigger things.  To quote @August1991 ... "we" get along...

Or to quote Carney: "The world is more divided than ever."

If you think Canadians are somehow better, look at our leftist losers in this thread:

And this is the "anti-gun" crowd... "We are against guns, but this guy was just going to the WH to kill people, so it's ok."

Probably 50% of LPoC voters are ok with the idea of an assassination. 

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[User]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

"Why are we even talking about this" is a hugely popular tactic on the left and one of Mike's personal favorites. 

Funny how he seems to make it into just about every thread on this subject to make sure to make that absurd point!

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, User said:

Funny how he seems to make it into just about every thread on this subject to make sure to make that absurd point!

Alternatively: "... to regurgitate an alt-left platitude while still maintaining that he's a conservative."

[Moonbox]

10 hours ago, User said:

You guys push this garbage, but when the tide turns, the tactics you engage in are to act like this isn’t an issue. 

The tide turned because of one study...from Finland?  

Mike's point was pretty clear.  You've already made up your mind. The studies are only relevant to you when they show you what you want to see.  You aren't particularly interested in the dozens of studies showing the opposite now, are you?  

[User]

16 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The tide turned because of one study...from Finland?  

Mike's point was pretty clear.  You've already made up your mind. The studies are only relevant to you when they show you what you want to see.  You aren't particularly interested in the dozens of studies showing the opposite now, are you?  

It’s a figure of speech relating to not just this one study but the issue in totality.

Go back 5-10 years ago and this stuff was mainly under the radar quietly being done until it started to become more well known once we seen the repercussions of children being butchered, girls losing their places in sports, women having to deal with men in their spaces…

Folks like you and @Michael Hardner had all the time in the world for it back then and still do when it comes to pushing this… but when this study, anything really, comes up that opposes this madness… it’s oh wow, why are you even talking about this? This isn’t a big deal… nothing to see here! 

[WestCanMan]

23 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The tide turned because of one study...from Finland?  

Mike's point was pretty clear.  You've already made up your mind. The studies are only relevant to you when they show you what you want to see.  You aren't particularly interested in the dozens of studies showing the opposite now, are you?  

It's time to grow up, Moonie:

1. A lot of the kids who transition regret it, and it's impossible for that to never be the case, so it's nothing that can be disregarded
2. Small children are lied to about what the end result of transitioning is... "Men can get pregnant" is one of the most hideous lies ever told by anyone
3. The right of girls to feel safe in their bathrooms is far more important than the right of adult males to use their bathroom just because they feel like it

F your studies... I care about the safety and feelings of girls, and the mental health of children, that's it.

Meddling teachers can stay in their lane or go to hell.  

Edited April 27 by WestCanMan