Army Guy Posted April 22 Report Posted April 22 18 hours ago, BeaverFever said: They’re advisors to Carney not “working on a trade agreement” And we all know nobody would be stupid enough to signal a trade deal with Trump before the midterms and maybe we just wait out trump’s term since he can’t run again and even fellow republicans don’t support his trade war. Trump has shown repeatedly that any deal with him is worthless anyway. The usefulness of the conservative advisors is probably to help him manage domestic politics not Trump. That's not what the media is saying, good try ....They are going to be working on the Cusma deal...advising Carney yes, but on trade...along with dozens of others... Meran while other industries have signaled Carney that they are on their last months, the need this trade deal or the tool and die industry will be gone from Canada...they can't wait , they employ just over 50,000 jobs with another 100,000 jobs dependent on that industry.....I know not worth the effort right....Mexico has managed to almost get their deal done, and without Canada....do you really think we are going to get the deal you think we are, Our own trade deal people are saying it is not going to look like the deal we have now there will be more tariffs....meaning more job losses....Now that what i call negotiating...all these job losses plus more tariffs..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Goddess Posted April 22 Report Posted April 22 11 minutes ago, Army Guy said: do you really think we are going to get the deal you think we are, They don't want a trade deal with the US. It doesn't matter how many jobs it costs, it doesn't matter what happens to the economy. The important thing is that we "stick it to Trump". Anyways, we have China now! WOOOOO HOOOOO!! 1 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted April 22 Report Posted April 22 Brian Lilley explains the "entry fee" and what's been going on with trade negotiations. It's not what CBC is telling you. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
eyeball Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 9 hours ago, Goddess said: I'll let you two battle this out since it doesn't really matter to me whether it's new or old. As far as committees go it should now that Carney has a majority. Now that the Liberals control appointments to committees their agendas, schedules and the whole nine yards they really don't matter at all. As always you're welcome for my having done whatever I could to prevent a majority up until this point. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
ExFlyer Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 13 hours ago, Legato said: You seriously need to overcome the fear. It's affecting all you do and blatantly obvious. Fear??? HA HA HA Only conservatives have fear as they are so low in all the polls. Canadians see through PP and his BS . 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 (edited) 23 hours ago, herbie said: The only reason for a politician NOT to want a security clearance that I can think of is because he already knows he'll not be granted one. We'd love to know the skeleton in his closet. To be fair, and I do not defend PP but, he has already had one when he was a minister of something It is sad though that members of his inner circle get selected to be part of a very important committee and he is not. Does that mean they cannot talk to him about it or inform him of what is going on and remain ignorant of the real process?? But that his inner circle can speak with facts and have to disown his rhetoric? Edited April 23 by ExFlyer 1 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Fear??? HA HA HA Only conservatives have fear as they are so low in all the polls. Canadians see through PP and his BS . Yup that forced laugh is a classic sign of fear. The Carney does it on a regular basis when asked a pointed question. 2 Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 2 minutes ago, Legato said: Yup that forced laugh is a classic sign of fear. The Carney does it on a regular basis when asked a pointed question. Awww, poor little conservative LOSER. Yup, everyone is afraid of PP NOT!!! LOL 1 1 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Barquentine Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 On 4/21/2026 at 8:03 PM, Army Guy said: still do not have free trade across the provinces That's up to the Provinces, not the Feds. 1 Quote
Barquentine Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 16 hours ago, Goddess said: They don't want a trade deal with the US. Do you even think before you post garbage like that? 3 Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 2 hours ago, Barquentine said: Do you even think before you post garbage like that? More dissension in the conservative ranks.... 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Army Guy Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 2 hours ago, Barquentine said: That's up to the Provinces, not the Feds. 100 % right , but this is Carneys promise to get it done, He should be dragging in the primers and setting the tone...Stop letting him off the hook....and then their is the voters, with the amount of money on the table we should all be screaming to get this done.....but like everything in this country it will take decades 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
BeaverFever Posted April 23 Author Report Posted April 23 (edited) 22 hours ago, Army Guy said: That's not what the media is saying, good try ....They are going to be working on the Cusma deal...advising Carney yes, but on trade...along with dozens of others... That’s what I said, I don’t know what you think I said. . They are advising Carney. They are not sitting down with the Americans. Carney will consider their advice along with that if others and then he will give it fair consideration and then do with it as he sees fit 22 hours ago, Army Guy said: Meran while other industries have signaled Carney that they are on their last months, the need this trade deal or the tool and die industry will be gone from Canada...they can't wait , they employ just over 50,000 jobs with another 100,000 jobs dependent on that industry.....I know not worth the effort right....Mexico has managed to almost get their deal done, and without Canada....do you really think we are going to get the deal you think we are, Our own trade deal people are saying it is not going to look like the deal we have now there will be more tariffs....meaning more job losses....Now that what i call negotiating...all these job losses plus more tariffs.... So just to set the facts CUSMA is not going to “expire” and doesn’t need to be “renewed”. If no new CUSMA agreement is reached it will just continue as is and they will do another “review” each year. In order to pull out, US Congress and Senate would have to approve which ain’t never going to happen because even the vast majority of Republicans outside of Trump’s bubble of nutjobs don’t want that and it would be catastrophic for the US economy. Here’s another fact: After midterms this fall, Congress is most likely going to reign Trump in big time. Trump’s is the once again the most unpopular president in modern US history and his trade war is one of his most unpopular policies. And Democrats are likely to make significant gains in congress. Here’s a third: now that Carney has a majority he’s guaranteed to outlast the Trump administration (unless Trump goes full dictator and refuses to leave office or tampers with the 2028 election, which nobody can say say he won’t). But assuming USA still has some functioning vestige of democracy left , we are almost guaranteed to get a better “deal” negotiating with the next guy rather than Trump, even if the next guy is another die hard republican. Trumps tariffs might simply be repealed entirely without having to offer any concessions given how destructive they are to Americans So to summarize, there is now ZERO reason to make any concessions or negotiate any “deals” before the next session of congress begins in 2027 and a decent argument for waiting until 2029 for any comprehensive negotiations. Edited April 23 by BeaverFever 1 Quote
BeaverFever Posted April 23 Author Report Posted April 23 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: 100 % right , but this is Carneys promise to get it done, He should be dragging in the primers and setting the tone...Stop letting him off the hook....and then their is the voters, with the amount of money on the table we should all be screaming to get this done.....but like everything in this country it will take decades Nope Carney shouldn’t be doing anything except waiting them out. Trump can’t keep his trade war up for much longer. We would be stupid to sign our lives away to him now when he’s about to het his wings clipped big time in November midterms and then be out of office 2 years later. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: 100 % right , but this is Carneys promise to get it done, He should be dragging in the primers and setting the tone...Stop letting him off the hook....and then their is the voters, with the amount of money on the table we should all be screaming to get this done.....but like everything in this country it will take decades He can only do what is in his jurisdiction. The Premiers have the ultimate power and say. I can just imagine the conservative outrage if he tries to over ride Provincial authority LOL 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
eyeball Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 6 hours ago, Army Guy said: 100 % right , but this is Carneys promise to get it done, He should be dragging in the primers and setting the tone...Stop letting him off the hook... So you want yet another Liberal Prime Minister to invoke special emergency powers and mandates - you want the Premiers to be dictated to by the Prime Minister? 6 hours ago, Army Guy said: ...and then their is the voters, with the amount of money on the table we should all be screaming to get this done... There's also the environment don't forget...its actually the table when you get right down to it. Not everyone around it is screaming. 6 hours ago, Army Guy said: ...but like everything in this country it will take decades Like everything in these provinces does. These are not bad things from an environmental perspective. Like I said not everyone is screaming. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Army Guy Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 (edited) 3 hours ago, BeaverFever said: That’s what I said, I don’t know what you think I said. . They are advising Carney. They are not sitting down with the Americans. Carney will consider their advice along with that if others and then he will give it fair consideration and then do with it as he sees fit So just to set the facts CUSMA is not going to “expire” and doesn’t need to be “renewed”. If no new CUSMA agreement is reached it will just continue as is and they will do another “review” each year. In order to pull out, US Congress and Senate would have to approve which ain’t never going to happen because even the vast majority of Republicans outside of Trump’s bubble of nutjobs don’t want that and it would be catastrophic for the US economy. Here’s another fact: After midterms this fall, Congress is most likely going to reign Trump in big time. Trump’s is the once again the most unpopular president in modern US history and his trade war is one of his most unpopular policies. And Democrats are likely to make significant gains in congress. Here’s a third: now that Carney has a majority he’s guaranteed to outlast the Trump administration (unless Trump goes full dictator and refuses to leave office or tampers with the 2028 election, which nobody can say say he won’t). But assuming USA still has some functioning vestige of democracy left , we are almost guaranteed to get a better “deal” negotiating with the next guy rather than Trump, even if the next guy is another die hard republican. Trumps tariffs might simply be repealed entirely without having to offer any concessions given how destructive they are to Americans So to summarize, there is now ZERO reason to make any concessions or negotiate any “deals” before the next session of congress begins in 2027 and a decent argument for waiting until 2029 for any comprehensive negotiations. They are advising Carney because it is in the best interest of the country not that they were leaving the conservatives because as you said PP can't control his own party... Again your wishing or hoping it will not be canceled altogether is not very comforting, if we have learned anything from trump is that he is highly unpredictable...And while it may hurt the US economy it will crush ours.... Mean while Canada is bleeding jobs, and we can't wait until 2027 or 2029....Tool and die industry was just pleading with Carney they said they have 6 months tops and that entire industry will collapse and move to mexico...it represents 50,000 union jobs plus another 100 k in other sectors....how does Liberals square that hole ? Zero reasons, well jobs is one, do you think Mexico is not going to scope up those jobs...i mean after Justin screw her over last time...Those jobs are not coming back as they had said once gone they are gone forever...And this is one example of industry hanging on by a thread...how many more are out there.... And to be honest what is at stake here, putting American booze back on shelves, dairy ,egg cartel...YA baby there is a hill worth dieing on....Are those are worth gutting our economy over ? lets not forget those Chinese cars...ya big loss there....So ya just wait, our pride is going to be worth it in the long run i'm sure.......unless your one of those that losses their jobs... As of early 2026, U.S. tariffs have heavily impacted the Canadian labor market, contributing to over 100,000 jobs shed in the first two months of 2026 and 51,800 manufacturing jobs lost over the preceding year. Ontario has been particularly hit, with 38,000 jobs lost in Q2 2025 alone, pushing its unemployment rate higher. BNN Bloomberg +2 Manufacturing Impact: The sector has seen significant declines, with 51,800 positions lost in a year, though total job losses are often mitigated by hiring in other sectors. Regional Impact: Ontario has borne the brunt of the layoffs, with 49,400 jobs lost as of late 2025 and 38,000 lost specifically in Q2 2025. Specific Sectors: Industries heavily impacted include steel, forestry, and automotive, as reported by. Broader Economic Impact: The job losses are causing Canada's labour market to be described as "static" or "flatlining". Job Loss Figures: Specific reports indicated 84,000 jobs were lost in February 2026 alone, driven by trade tensions. BNN Bloomberg +5 Edited April 23 by Army Guy 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
LinkSoul60 Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 19 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Mean while Canada is bleeding jobs, and we can't wait until 2027 or 2029....Tool and die industry was just pleading with Carney they said they have 6 months tops and that entire industry will collapse and move to mexico...it represents 50,000 union jobs plus another 100 k in other sectors....how does Liberals square that hole ? It's not worth the debate because of your preference for the turtle strategy.... but what exactly is it that you don't understand of the US wanting to build all vehicles in their country? Trump described CUSMA as 'irrelevant' and has repeatedly said 'we don't need cars from Canada out Mexico'. Why is this so hard for you to understand... And you admit the industry started it's downhill decline in a big way during Harper's term, but now it's all the liberals and Carney's fault. Do you even know what you're arguing for or against? 1 Quote
Goddess Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said: because of your preference for the turtle strategy. I don't think you understand what turtle strategy is. You keep using the term incorrectly. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
LinkSoul60 Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 14 minutes ago, Goddess said: I don't think you understand what turtle strategy is. You keep using the term incorrectly. Lol... no, I know what the turtle strategy is. There may be another strategies for turtles out there I have no idea about but I'm clear on the one I know. Appreciate the help though. 1 Quote
Goddess Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said: Lol... no, I know what the turtle strategy is. There may be another strategies for turtles out there I have no idea about but I'm clear on the one I know. Appreciate the help though. Ok, but when someone tries to explain something to you 47 different ways and you still don't get it so they quit trying....that's not them using turtle strategy. Just sayin' 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
LinkSoul60 Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 23 minutes ago, Goddess said: Ok, but when someone tries to explain something to you 47 different ways and you still don't get it so they quit trying....that's not them using turtle strategy. Just sayin' What happened 47 times... AG's strategy of laying down and giving away the farm? 1 Quote
Moonbox Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 19 hours ago, BeaverFever said: That’s what I said, I don’t know what you think I said. I don't think he even reads what his debate opponents say. He just block quotes your response and once his hands hit the keyboard, the big feelings take over and you get another wandering diatribe that addresses nothing that you said. 15 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: And you admit the industry started it's downhill decline in a big way during Harper's term, but now it's all the liberals and Carney's fault. Do you even know what you're arguing for or against? Tough to keep your logic consistent and your points straight when there's less than 0.1ms of considerationg between a thought/feeling entering your head and your hands typing it out on a keyboard. 1 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Army Guy Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 22 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: It's not worth the debate because of your preference for the turtle strategy.... but what exactly is it that you don't understand of the US wanting to build all vehicles in their country? Trump described CUSMA as 'irrelevant' and has repeatedly said 'we don't need cars from Canada out Mexico'. Why is this so hard for you to understand... And you admit the industry started it's downhill decline in a big way during Harper's term, but now it's all the liberals and Carney's fault. Do you even know what you're arguing for or against? I understand that the Auto industry is American....perhaps you can name a Canada manufacturer that build domestic Canadian cars or trucks... you can't because there is none...America is looking after America, just like Canada is doing.... And America is not looking to have all cars built in the US...Some how in your mind that is a bad thing... Do they need Canadian cars or trucks....i mean the companies that make them are American owned and American based... Why is that so hard to understand, the Auto industry is American, and if they gave us some of the market and now want it back why is that so bad....What is stopping some Canadian form doing the same thing....build a car or truck... Like i said i would like to blame the NDP but they are not smart enough....and since we are going on year 11 of liberal rule i think they pretty much own any of todays problems....and i understand that the liberals have this urge to blame someone else for all these problems ....but come on "11 years" to improve or reverse any conservative decision is all on them... But we can play this game all day, how far do you want to go the turn of the century... I agreed with you because what you printed was the truth...but the blame does not rest on Just Harpers shoulders....despite what you think...since then we have had 11 years of liberal policies that have brought us to this place we are at today....LIBERALs need to step up and own that sh!t... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
BeaverFever Posted April 24 Author Report Posted April 24 23 hours ago, Army Guy said: Again your wishing or hoping it will not be canceled altogether is not very comforting, if we have learned anything from trump is that he is highly unpredictable...And while it may hurt the US economy it will crush ours.... Mean while Canada is bleeding jobs, and we can't wait until 2027 or 2029....Tool and die industry was just pleading with Carney they said they have 6 months tops and that entire industry will collapse and move to mexico...it represents 50,000 union jobs plus another 100 k in other sectors....how does Liberals square that hole ? Zero reasons, well jobs is one, do you think Mexico is not going to scope up those jobs...i mean after Justin screw her over last time...Those jobs are not coming back as they had said once gone they are gone forever...And this is one example of industry hanging on by a thread...how many more are out there.... And to be honest what is at stake here, putting American booze back on shelves, dairy ,egg cartel...YA baby there is a hill worth dieing on....Are those are worth gutting our economy over ? lets not forget those Chinese cars...ya big loss there....So ya just wait, our pride is going to be worth it in the long run i'm sure.......unless your one of those that losses their jobs... YOU are the one wishing and hoping that we can trust Teump to keep his agreement THIS TIME when ue ias already shown repeatedly that he doesn’t honour his agreements l Do you need to be reminded that his tariffs are a blatant violation of the USMCA deal that he signed and called “the greatest deal ever” and that he has already threatened new tariffs against UK amd EU over Greenland and Hormuz despite already hailing made a “deal” with them? It’s clear to most people that making any deal with Trump is just giving away everything and getting nothing in return Should we really sell out the entire country for generations to come and become the 51st state just to buy a slim chance that tool and die makers in southwestern Ontario “might” get some relief? Can you not understand that giving up all our leverage BEFORE negotiations even begin is a recipe for disaster? And then we’re supposed to show uo to negotiations completely unarmed where the Trump admin will have NEW demands. Having to accept the other sides demands BEFORE negotiations commence isn’t how negotiations work! If Trump wants any more concessions he will have to bargain for them and offer something in return, and hopefully more than just stopping his attacks Let me reiterate Trump cannot pull out of CUSMA. CONGRESS would have to approve and even the current Republican congress would never agree to it After the midterms that will only be even less likely and Trump will be even weaker Only a fool would snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by rushing to make concessions now Quote
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