What Kind of Country Is The US Becoming?

[Zeitgeist]

4 hours ago, User said:

We can chew gum and walk at the same time. 
 

Trump is fixing the mess folks like you have chosen to ignore and let fester for decades. 
 

 

I find it funny that you think force can be used consequence free without any blowback.  Whatever, same old song.

[Venandi]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

their nuclear capabilities were 'totally and completely obliterated' 8 months ago. 

I don't believe that for  a second.... the facilities were but there was too much telegraphing and bagpipe playing to safely assume it wasn't moved to safety.

The Iranians are smarter than you seem to think. We're talking about (aprox) 440 Kgs of enriched uranium at about 60%.... more at less enrichment of course but 440 Kgs is enough for 29 warheads once 90% enrichment is achieved. 

Based on assessments none of us will get to see for 20 years, I'm guessing Israel was locked and loaded. As I mentioned above, had the US not participated and simply watched as Israel acted unilaterally, the mess and pain would have been much wider, much deeper, and you would have been right here singing an entirely different song. Going from 60% to 90% is a distance measured in months.

You really need to give this more thought. 

Edited April 16 by Venandi

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

Canadians wanting to leave Canada for greener pastures are required to pay up to 500k .

Since when?

[Zeitgeist]

6 hours ago, paxamericana said:

And what debate over it? Letting Iran build up defenses? What’s there to coordinate with a bunch of deadbeats who has nothing useful to offer. Not sure if this was a deliberate provocation to gain local anti Trump support but provocation of America isn’t cost free like you think it is. The Us has the ability to impose tremendous cost on other countries. Not sure if the anti trumper ideot figured that part out.

I thought Trump was leaving the deadbeats behind because the US doesn’t need any help.  Pick a story and stick to it.  I promise you this, almost no countries’ populations are in support of their governments supporting a country that started a war on its own after belittling and using its power to squeeze as much as it could out of other countries.  Foreign tourism to the US is down and other countries are forming new partnerships. China may be losing some of its exports, maybe, but they basically just have to sit on the sidelines to see their credibility and influence grow. Duh.  I guess sometimes you don’t know what you got til it’s gone. I wanted to see Trump do all the sensible things and win over Canada. Instead we have a Canada once again defining itself by what it isn’t.  I hope all goes well for the US in Iran and the immigration purges look less gestapo like for everyone’s sake.

Edited April 16 by Zeitgeist

[LinkSoul60]

Just now, Venandi said:

I don't believe that for  a second.... the facilities were but there was too much telegraphing and bagpipe playing to safely assume it wasn't moved to safety.

The Iranians are smarter than you seem to think. We're talking about (aprox) 440 Kgs of enriched uranium at about 60%.... more at less enrichment of course but 440 Kgs is enough for 29 warheads once 90% enrichment is achieved. 

Based on assessments we won't get to see for 20 years, I'm guessing Israel was locked and loaded. As I mentioned above, had the US not participated and simply watched Israel as it acted unilaterally, the mess and pain would have been much wider, much deeper, and you would have been right here singing an entirely different song. 

I'm cynical of Trump, so I didn't believe it either.  It's not that the Iranian's are smarter than I thought, but it doesn't a super sleuth to figure that it's a large country with countless 'hiding' spots.  

You may be right about Israel and US involvement but at the end of day it doesn't matter now, just get this thing over with so countries don't feel the economic pain any more than they already have, and will for some time.

[paxamericana]

33 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I thought Trump was leaving the deadbeats behind because the US doesn’t need any help.  Pick a story and stick to it.

It’s worse, the deadbeats interfered. From the open sources that are available it points toward a political stunt to garner support of the locals. But I would be remiss if it didn’t smell of back door channeling with the Iranians. Let’s put it this way so you can understand the gravity of the situation. Letting the Iranian bomb the region’s oil field was the more pleasant approach America took. We very well could destroy the entire region directly if it proves no further use to us.

Edited April 16 by paxamericana

[paxamericana]

35 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I thought Trump was leaving the deadbeats behind because the US doesn’t need any help.  Pick a story and stick to it.

It’s worse, the deadbeats interfered. From the open sources that are available it points toward a political stunt to garner support from the locals. But I would be remiss if it didn’t smell of back door channeling with the Iranians. Let’s put it this way so you can understand the gravity of the situation. Letting the Iranian bomb the region’s oil field was the more pleasant approach America took. We very well could destroy the entire region ourselves if it proves no further use to us.

[Nationalist]

21 hours ago, paxamericana said:

The only way it makes sense for America to continue subsidizing Canada is to make it a state. Else why give it any further subsidies on trade. 

Why?

Oil...nat gas...food...wood...minerals...the northern passage...

[paxamericana]

26 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Why?

Oil...nat gas...food...wood...minerals...the northern passage...

Requires infrastructure investment to make meaningful economic gains. Of which, American dollars will be needed, everyone else aged out.

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Requires infrastructure investment to make meaningful economic gains. Of which, American dollars will be needed, everyone else aged out.

And...American dollars will invest. They always do. Always been that way. Nothing wrong with it.

But trust me...you dont wanna try governing Canada.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

It’s worse, the deadbeats interfered. From the open sources that are available it points toward a political stunt to garner support from the locals. But I would be remiss if it didn’t smell of back door channeling with the Iranians. Let’s put it this way so you can understand the gravity of the situation. Letting the Iranian bomb the region’s oil field was the more pleasant approach America took. We very well could destroy the entire region ourselves if it proves no further use to us.

But any reduction in oil supply will increase oil and gas prices everywhere.  Canada both benefits and suffers from high oil prices regionally.  Ultimately the impact is a higher cost of living for most people internationally.  Of course, the consequences can be economically dire for countries dependent largely on imported oil. If this blockage and supply cut persists much longer, we get a world recession that hurts pretty much everyone.  If all we get for that is a promise of no nukes for Iran.  Was it worth it?

Edited April 16 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

But any reduction in oil supply will increase oil and gas prices everywhere.

Not if you restrict export. Or did you forget that that was also an option, a minor inconvenience for Americans, that’s what it cost us to destroy the world. America doesn’t need to be the selfless good guys, we chose to despite your deadbeat mentality. Don’t take it for granted. The people that comes after me certainly wouldn’t care less if the rest of the world goes to shit. Trump is your savior.

Edited April 16 by paxamericana

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Not if you restrict export. Or did you forget that that was also an option. America doesn’t need to be the selfless good guys, we chose to despite your deadbeat mentality.

With your warmonger mentality, Americans are paying about 70% more for gas and inflation is on the rise for transported goods.  You can’t make that go away with national oil reserves.  Much depends on how long this goes on, but we may be looking at at least a season or two.  

Edited April 16 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

With your warmonger mentality, Americans are paying about 70% more for gas and inflation is on the rise for transported goods.  You can’t make that go away with national reserves.  

And yet no where near the Biden era inflation level on energy prices amongst many. So for us a minor short term inconvenience. For the rest of the NATO deadbeat a catastrophe. Don’t press your luck. America can sit this one out. You deadbeats won’t even have energy to fuel your homes. Should have sent us the ships like we asked. Elbows up alright.

Edited April 16 by paxamericana

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

And yet no near the Biden era inflation level on energy prices. So for us a minor short term inconvenience. For the rest of the NATO deadbeat a catastrophe. Don’t press your luck.

The NATO rhetoric is noise.  The price at the pumps is what we’re getting out of the rapacious military industrial complex.

Edited April 16 by Zeitgeist

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Apparently he was making plenty of American dollar. And since we’re on this topic. Canadians wanting to leave Canada for greener pastures are required to pay up to 500k . Signs of a failed state it sounds like.

Double whammy 

Yeah well, exiting the US can trigger a $600k tax bill so there you go.

Obviously another failure of commyism - still well worth fleeing in either case right?

[paxamericana]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The NATO rhetoric is noise.  The price at the pumps is what we’re getting out of the rapacious military industrial complex.

It cost money to kill bad guys yes. But there’s hope. The Middle East doesn’t have to be held hostage to the biggest state sponsor of terror. If a deal can be made Ofcourse.

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

But trust me...you dont wanna try governing Canada.

I don’t think Canada can govern Canada. America could. Dare I say do a better job than Ottawa. 

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, paxamericana said:

It’s worse, the deadbeats interfered. From the open sources that are available it points toward a political stunt to garner support of the locals. But I would be remiss if it didn’t smell of back door channeling with the Iranians. Let’s put it this way so you can understand the gravity of the situation. Letting the Iranian bomb the region’s oil field was the more pleasant approach America took. We very well could destroy the entire region directly if it proves no further use to us.

It has zero to do with the Iranians, and everything to do with how Trump has treated our once steadfast allies. 

He wants to be an a-hole and alternate people? He doesn't need NATO allies? He doesn't want to consult with allies before starting a war? Fine. They are letting him test drive that proposition. 

 

Edited April 17 by Hodad

[User]

4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I find it funny that you think force can be used consequence free without any blowback.  Whatever, same old song.

I find it funny you have avoided responding to the illegal immigration questions I asked you. 

I did not say anything about no blowback. 

 

29 minutes ago, Hodad said:

It has zero to do with the Iranians, and everything to do with how Trump has treated our once steadfast allies. 

He wants to be an a-hole and alternate people? He doesn't need NATO allies? He doesn't want to consult with allies before starting a war? Fine. They are letting him test drive that proposition. 

 

You are projecting your own irrational hate and spite onto others. 

[User]

5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Him starting this war isn't a mindless talking point, it's fact.  It's also fact that it's his mess so hopefully he cleans it up soon and before too many economies get beat down any further.

You always remind me how he got reelected...

His starting the war was not what I called a mindless talking point. 

The mess we are talking about is what Iran has become over the last 50 years. 

Can you ever argue straightforwardly and honestly?

 

[paxamericana]

58 minutes ago, Hodad said:

It has zero to do with the Iranians

This is the only true part you've managed to figure out.

59 minutes ago, Hodad said:

They are letting him test drive that proposition. 

And the usual deadbeats are paying for it. They are just as reliant on the Middle East oil as the Chinese who are the real target. 

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

He wants to be an a-hole and alternate people? He doesn't need NATO allies?

No he's trying to negotiate a new deal with Europe, invest in America and we'll protect your interest. That's the proposition. Europe like Canada has decided to what was phrase? Elbows up. Well, this is what elbows up get you, a slap on the wrist with tariff. 

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, paxamericana said:

It cost money to kill bad guys yes. But there’s hope. The Middle East doesn’t have to be held hostage to the biggest state sponsor of terror. If a deal can be made Ofcourse.

It’s a bold move.  Hope it works.  

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

This is the only true part you've managed to figure out.

And the usual deadbeats are paying for it. They are just as reliant on the Middle East oil as the Chinese who are the real target. 

No he's trying to negotiate a new deal with Europe, invest in America and we'll protect your interest. That's the proposition. Europe like Canada has decided to what was phrase? Elbows up. Well, this is what elbows up get you, a slap on the wrist with tariff. 

He has the strategic chops of a middle school bully. By pretending to act tough, he's made America weaker than it's been in decades. 

America is absolutely dependent on those alliances to project power globally the way we do. 

They know how valuable they are to us. They are laughing at him, denying airspace, etc. And because he's just not very bright and driven entirely by ego, they're also aware that he might follow through with the absurd threat to exit NATO. So everyone is diversifying their portfolios. It's lose lose for the US. 

NATO has never really cost us anything, but it's been immensely valuable to the US and to the world and world order. It would take a crazy fool to disrupt that order. Unfortunately, that's exactly who is sitting his fat orange ass behind the Resolute desk.  

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, paxamericana said:

I don’t think Canada can govern Canada. America could. Dare I say do a better job than Ottawa. 

That's a big dare.