Zeitgeist Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 (edited) When I see decent people treated this way, and when it tracks with many other stories I’ve heard recently about how harsh and insensitive the US has been towards foreigners and even some of its own citizens, I can’t help wondering if the US really has declined, and I’m saying this as a conservative and long-time visitor to the US. Maybe places like Panama or Costa Rica are where I should be retiring and it’s time to sell the place in Florida. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/canadian-detained-at-alligator-alcatraz-for-owing-us12000-in-back-taxes/ Edited April 15 by Zeitgeist 1 3 1 Quote
paxamericana Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 (edited) “In 2022, he pleaded “no contest” to tax evasion and agreed to a monthly repayment plan. Over the past three years, Dixon says he has paid back two-thirds of the amount but still owes the U.S. government approximately $12,000.” Why should the American people put up with criminal Alien? This is the reason you want to move to Panama? Sounds like you’re better off donating 12k to the poor guy so he can get current with his taxes. Edited April 15 by paxamericana 1 Quote
Zeitgeist Posted April 15 Author Report Posted April 15 1 hour ago, paxamericana said: “In 2022, he pleaded “no contest” to tax evasion and agreed to a monthly repayment plan. Over the past three years, Dixon says he has paid back two-thirds of the amount but still owes the U.S. government approximately $12,000.” Why should the American people put up with criminal Alien? This is the reason you want to move to Panama? Sounds like you’re better off donating 12k to the poor guy so he can get current with his taxes. He lost money on his business during the pandemic and was paying back what he owed. This man has lived in the US for decades and has family there. He’s an older man who’s afraid of flying and has been deported by plane and banned from returning. Would you like Americans in Canada to be treated this way? Quote
paxamericana Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 11 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: He lost money on his business during the pandemic and was paying back what he owed. This man has lived in the US for decades and has family there. He’s an older man who’s afraid of flying and has been deported by plane and banned from returning. Would you like Americans in Canada to be treated this way? Why? Because you haven’t 51st. This may shock you to hear but yes we Treat Canadians the same way we treat Iranian terrorist. The law makes no distinction between different foreigners. Don’t like it? Petition for statehood, it’s not like we didn’t offer it. So it’s on you Canada Quote
CDN1 Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: He lost money on his business during the pandemic and was paying back what he owed. This man has lived in the US for decades and has family there. He’s an older man who’s afraid of flying and has been deported by plane and banned from returning. Would you like Americans in Canada to be treated this way? Well, it looks like ICE is color blind. You perpetually hyperbolic mfers should be relieved. Edited April 15 by CDN1 Quote
Zeitgeist Posted April 15 Author Report Posted April 15 1 minute ago, paxamericana said: Why? Because you haven’t 51st. This may shock you to hear but yes we Treat Canadians the same way we treat Iranian terrorist. The law makes no distinction between different foreigners. Don’t like it? Petition for statehood, it’s not like we didn’t offer it. So it’s on you Canada Why would we want to be a state in a country that treats people so badly? The excesses of ICE are bad for America and its international image. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 Illegal alien is an illegal alien. Send them home. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Zeitgeist Posted April 15 Author Report Posted April 15 2 minutes ago, CDN1 said: Well, it looks like ICE is color blind. You perpetual hyperbolic mfers should be relieved. I’ve never said a racist word here. Do you have anything of value to say? Quote
paxamericana Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Why would we want to be a state in a country that treats people so badly? So why are you complaining when America deports a Canadian for breaking the law? And by the way, you’re morally culpable. Since you aren’t a voting block by refusing to be our State, you can’t complain about laws you didn’t change. Don’t think we don’t know. All Canadians want the benefit of being treated like Americans without the political affiliation. You want your cake and eat it too. You want to make American money but get your Canadian deadbeat subsidized healthcare. The free ride is over. Either 51st or be a third world deadbeat. And don’t b!tch, America offered you Statehood and you chose to elbows up in your pride. Edited April 15 by paxamericana Quote
Zeitgeist Posted April 15 Author Report Posted April 15 14 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Illegal alien is an illegal alien. Send them home. He had a green card. This is the problem with the US. It’s become a mean-spirited country both domestically and in trade and foreign affairs. Losing its appeal. Quote
paxamericana Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: Losing its appeal. Uh huh, save us the indignation, we know where you invest your money. Hungry hungry hypocrite. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted April 15 Author Report Posted April 15 14 minutes ago, paxamericana said: So why are you complaining when America deports a Canadian for breaking the law? And by the way, you’re morally culpable. Since you aren’t a voting block by refusing to be our State, you can’t complain about laws you didn’t change. Don’t think we don’t know. All Canadians want the benefit of being treated like Americans without the political affiliation. You want your cake and eat it too. You want to make American money but get your Canadian deadbeat subsidized healthcare. The free ride is over. Either 51st or be a third world deadbeat. And don’t b!tch, America offered you Statehood and you chose to elbows up in your pride. It’s not about pride; it’s about self-determination and differences of character. As I said before, it’s not necessarily about being better. It is about taking a different approach. Canada gets it wrong on plenty, but so does the US. Just now, paxamericana said: Uh huh, save us the indignation, we know where you invest your money. Hungry hungry hypocrite. Aren’t you glad I’ve spent so much money down there? Or are you hell bent on pissing so many people off that they don’t want to visit anymore? Quote
gatomontes99 Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 Just now, Zeitgeist said: He had a green card. This is the problem with the US. It’s become a mean-spirited country both domestically and in trade and foreign affairs. Losing its appeal. Fine. Don't come here. He broke the law, evaded taxes and I would be willing to bet his green card expired and that is why they deported him. After 21 years he should have been a citizen. That is on him for not doing the work necessary to stay. Our country. Our laws. Follow them or face the consequences. Did you know that Canada has some of the most aggressive and mean spirited border agents. I have seen them do all kinds of ridiculous stuff from trying to confiscate a car for having bear mace to trying to take an airplane over an undeclared painting. Your country. Your rules. Take care of the plank in your eye before criticizing the spec in ours. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
paxamericana Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: differences What difference!?!!! 5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: self-determination Uh huh, that’s called voting. Unless you’re on some weird libertarian tangent. 6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: It is about taking a different approach No be honest, don’t hide like an intellectual coward, it’s about taking advantage of American generosity that kept the relative peace for 80 years. Through our blood and treasure are your land made safe and your ships able to traverse the seas. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted April 15 Author Report Posted April 15 1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said: Fine. Don't come here. He broke the law, evaded taxes and I would be willing to bet his green card expired and that is why they deported him. After 21 years he should have been a citizen. That is on him for not doing the work necessary to stay. Our country. Our laws. Follow them or face the consequences. Did you know that Canada has some of the most aggressive and mean spirited border agents. I have seen them do all kinds of ridiculous stuff from trying to confiscate a car for having bear mace to trying to take an airplane over an undeclared painting. Your country. Your rules. Take care of the plank in your eye before criticizing the spec in ours. This man did the right things and got into a financial hole with his business. He was paying back what he owed and had already paid back two thirds. Then without warning the swat team takes down grandpa. It’s just plain tacky. If it happened in Canada it would be just as low. Look, you can make this about me if you want, but I can tell you that the majority of Canadians see stories like this and start to really question what the hell is going on down there. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted April 15 Author Report Posted April 15 6 minutes ago, paxamericana said: What difference!?!!! Uh huh, that’s called voting. Unless you’re on some weird libertarian tangent. No be honest, don’t hide like an intellectual coward, it’s about taking advantage of American generosity that kept the relative peace for 80 years. Through our blood and treasure are your land made safe and your ships able to traverse the seas. Who are these imaginary enemies that you think you’re saving us from? Most NATO stuff has been about supporting the latest US adventure overseas. The only time NATO intervened in defence of a member under article 5 was for the US after 9/11. Quote
paxamericana Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: what the hell is going on down there. It’s called making America great again. And it starts by cleaning house. 17 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Aren’t you glad I’ve spent so much money down there? Or are you hell bent on pissing so many people off that they don’t want to visit anymore? I’m sure you invested in America because you’re a generous person. Or. Maybe it’s because there’s nowhere else more stable and generate more money in the long run. Plenty of people smarter and more resourceful tried and still end up investing here either with their money or with their feet okay. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted April 15 Author Report Posted April 15 5 minutes ago, paxamericana said: It’s called making America great again. And it starts by cleaning house. I’m sure you invested in America because you’re a generous person. Or. Maybe it’s because there’s nowhere else more stable and generate more money in the long run. Plenty of people smarter and more resourceful tried and still end up investing here either with their money or with their feet okay. Just wrap it up in Iran quickly. This fuel and inflation problem is becoming a real albatross. Quote
User Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 48 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Why would we want to be a state in a country that treats people so badly? The excesses of ICE are bad for America and its international image. Um, I 100% hope the world sees ICE in action and it deters illegal immigration. That is a great thing! Quote
Zeitgeist Posted April 15 Author Report Posted April 15 5 minutes ago, User said: Um, I 100% hope the world sees ICE in action and it deters illegal immigration. That is a great thing! At this point I’d say that’s an outlier opinion and most Americans have had quite enough of ICE killing flies with flame throwers. Quote
paxamericana Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Just wrap it up in Iran quickly. This fuel and inflation problem is becoming a real albatross. So why are you so willing to pay their terrorists toll booth? 27 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Who are these imaginary enemies that you think you’re saving us from? Most NATO stuff has been about supporting the latest US adventure overseas. The only time NATO intervened in defence of a member under article 5 was for the US after 9/11. Just because a threat isn’t visible, doesn’t mean it’s not there. The reason no one else dare put up a maritime toll booth is because they fear the world police. Making an example of Iran is why you all decided to play nice with one another. The moment America steps back, you get the history wheel turning again. And believe me, American would rather not pay for a world police force but we been spanked twice already before for not doing it. The only way America gets left alone is if we police the dam planet. It’s a generational lesson we’ve learned the hard way more than once. Edited April 15 by paxamericana Quote
Nationalist Posted April 16 Report Posted April 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, paxamericana said: So why are you complaining when America deports a Canadian for breaking the law? And by the way, you’re morally culpable. Since you aren’t a voting block by refusing to be our State, you can’t complain about laws you didn’t change. Don’t think we don’t know. All Canadians want the benefit of being treated like Americans without the political affiliation. You want your cake and eat it too. You want to make American money but get your Canadian deadbeat subsidized healthcare. The free ride is over. Either 51st or be a third world deadbeat. And don’t b!tch, America offered you Statehood and you chose to elbows up in your pride. Are you upset that Canada didn't jump at the chance to be a state? Dude...you don't really want Canada. Its way Liberal and comes with multiple cultures all dragging the government around by the nose. Edited April 16 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted April 16 Report Posted April 16 37 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: At this point I’d say that’s an outlier opinion and most Americans have had quite enough of ICE killing flies with flame throwers. Well, if the media actually reported on all the actual people being murdered, killed, raped and harmed by illegal immigrants I doubt people would be that upset at all about actually enforcing the law. Quote
paxamericana Posted April 16 Report Posted April 16 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Dude...you don't really want Canada The only way it makes sense for America to continue subsidizing Canada is to make it a state. Else why give it any further subsidies on trade. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted April 16 Author Report Posted April 16 1 hour ago, paxamericana said: The only way it makes sense for America to continue subsidizing Canada is to make it a state. Else why give it any further subsidies on trade. How does Australia survive without the US? I mean as an island without the US beside it, you’d think it’d be destitute. Lol Canada-US trade is very balanced If we had a slight surplus, selling a little more than we buy, it had served your refineries in Texas to get our oil cheap and sell it back to us as gas. Our cheaper power has been an affordable energy source for your northern states. Quote
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