building Chinese cars here in Canada....

[paxamericana]

21 minutes ago, John Stone said:

FWIW?  IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME. 

This doesn’t address the production. Where is the energy being produced!?

[John Stone]

20 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

This doesn’t address the production. Where is the energy being produced!?

Experts estimate that between now and 2050, the increasing number of EVs on the road will require an additional 1% annually in electricity production. That's much less than the 3.2% average annual growth rate in electricity production that the U.S. has experienced over the past 70 years.

Efficiency drives demand.......... it is an inverse relationship. 

Those figures indicate that the grid can handle the challenge of increased EV adoption.

Political rhetoric is powerful ................ and the Kool-aide is tasty ......... more the pity. 

Edited April 22 by John Stone

[paxamericana]

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

Political rhetoric is powerful ................ and the Kool-aide is tasty ......... more the pity. 

Which political rhetoric? The one that lies about EV saving the planet from CO2 emission while is actually more polluting in their life cycle than a regular gas vehicle? 
 

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

additional 1% annually in electricity production.

That’s fake news. The electricity demand is exponentially increasing due to AI infrastructure build out. The taking away of government incentives was meant to slow roll the EV adoption because of the generation capacity is not yet available. 

[LinkSoul60]

13 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

The one that lies about EV saving the planet from CO2 emission while is actually more polluting in their life cycle than a regular gas vehicle? 

Where did you find this nonsense Uncle Sam?

[paxamericana]

26 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Where did you find this nonsense Uncle Sam?

The fact that you didn’t already know that confirms my point 

[John Stone]

24 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Which political rhetoric? The one that lies about EV saving the planet from CO2 emission while is actually more polluting in their life cycle than a regular gas vehicle? 
 

That’s fake news. The electricity demand is exponentially increasing due to AI infrastructure build out. The taking away of government incentives was meant to slow roll the EV adoption because of the generation capacity is not yet available. 

'we will  drill, baby, drill" / Trump - inauguration speech Jan, 20

Trump's burst of climate and energy EO's was quickly heaped with praise by fossil fuel industry groups and supporters who def see a brighter future under Trump for oil, gas, coal, and plastics. 

Trump's criticism of renewable energy has nothing to do with A.I. growth and it's supposed insatiable demand for energy.   

Trump's criticism is against green energy, period! 

The reason is green energy is and will increasingly be, in competition with big oil.  

Most people believe the US. is capable of walking and chewing  gum at the same time.

Experts (today) agree that the U.S.  has the potential to sustain A.I. and EV demands, however the future will require  strategic planning. Infrastructure  modernization will be required to walk and chew gum at the same time.  Might be moot tho, the U.S. is falling farther and farther behind,  soon it might be too late to catch up.  

One thing Trump is NOT is a strategic thinker in terms of the future ........... but then again, Trump is an anachronistic, senile, 80 y/o.

He doesn't care about the future because he won't be around - we should be grateful  he's not on  the bench (SCOTUS).

In that case he'd be around forever ......... granted the next 2 1/2 years will seem like forever. 

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

The fact that you didn’t already know that confirms my point 

Your point is highly inaccurate....   

• The "Break-Even" Point: Despite the higher initial footprint, EVs "pay back" this extra debt through lower operating emissions. This break-even point typically occurs within 1.4 to 1.9 years (approximately 15,000–25,000 miles) of driving under average U.S. conditions.

[WestCanMan]

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Yes, this is going to go over like a lead balloon for out neighbors down south...it is almost like carney wants to poke trump with a sharp stick....

The carney's gov't is also about to announce a plan to assemble rockets for Hamas and Hezbollah, as well as IRBM's and ICBM's for Iran. 

They're currently looking at a way to legalize fentanyl, so that they can start manufacturing pills for distribution around the globe, in dime-bags (recyclable, of course). 

 

 

 

[gotcha 🤣 I made all that up]

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Your point is highly inaccurate....   

• The "Break-Even" Point: Despite the higher initial footprint, EVs "pay back" this extra debt through lower operating emissions. This break-even point typically occurs within 1.4 to 1.9 years (approximately 15,000–25,000 miles) of driving under average U.S. conditions.

Yeah is that or before you factor in that over half of US generation are from fossil fuel?

[herbie]

51 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Yeah is that or before you factor in that over half of US generation are from fossil fuel?

You're misfortune for not getting with the program. China > USA on tha one.
Also for being so brainwashed and slow witted you can't even comprehend that one fossil fueled plant that charges 100,000 EVs produces far less emissions than 100,000 ICE vehicles.
Don't even try to achieve partial success, march backwards and abandon all environmental standards.

[herbie]

We could gain a little more if the assembly plants were require ro use Cdn batteries

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, John Stone said:

FWIW?  IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME. 

They won't though. For so much practical but for an awful lot of people they just don't have 45 minutes to sit at a public charger and wait for their vehicle to be done. They've got kids or other commitments and if they can't charge it home then they won't charge at all.

The technology we've got pills and niche but it's just not mature yet. It's just not a replacement for ice vehicles due to its limitations. A segment of the population, say 30% or so, we'll find it beneficial, and another 5% or so we'll go with it even though it's a bad fit for them for moral reasons.

But we need to invent something a little bit better that's a little bit more like filling a car with gas as far as time and convenience goes

[Goddess]

Calls China Police A Partner | Blacklock's Reporter

Chinese police are a law enforcement “partner” just like the FBI, say RCMP. Details of the partnership agreement with Beijing cannot be disclosed “without their permission,” says Deputy Commissioner Brian Larkin.

 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Calls China Police A Partner | Blacklock's Reporter

Chinese police are a law enforcement “partner” just like the FBI, say RCMP. Details of the partnership agreement with Beijing cannot be disclosed “without their permission,” says Deputy Commissioner Brian Larkin.

 

So we can't even speak about it unless our new chinese masters agree. 

Well.  This is going great so far isn't it?

[Goddess]

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So we can't even speak about it unless our new chinese masters agree. 

Well.  This is going great so far isn't it?

When I said in another thread that the details of the security deal with the Chinese were not being told to Canadians and LinkytheDinky called me an id10t, I let it go because.....well......you know.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

When I said in another thread that the details of the security deal with the Chinese were not being told to Canadians and LinkytheDinky called me an id10t, I let it go because.....well......you know.

You and I have both mentioned it in various threads. I just don't understand how other people can see this and not be severely concerned

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You and I have both mentioned it in various threads. I just don't understand how other people can see this and not be severely concerned

The Liberals are not a political party.

They're a cult.

Carney is God.

Whatever he does must be for the best.

Don't think about it.

Thinking is bad.

Don't question anything.

Questions are bad.

Edited April 22 by Goddess

[WestCanMan]

25 minutes ago, Goddess said:

The Liberals are not a political party.

They're a cult.

Carney is God.

Whatever he does must be for the best.

Don't think about it.

Thinking is bad.

Don't question anything.

Questions are bad.

Don't forget, CBC/CTV and their fake polling data play some of the lead roles in running this country. 

It's those guys that decide what Canadians should be supporting, or be angry about.

Eg, they're the ones convincing Canadians that Trump is a cult leader/bigoted dictator who's just on a killing spree to satisfy his ego, and the ayatollah is a legitimate good guy who needs to be protected, even if that means sinking a bunch of oil tankers at 2M barrels of oil each.

Because, let's be honest: if the CBC wanted to, they could be telling us about the risks associated with Iran getting nukes, their litany of promises of genocide, their massive stockpile of BM's/IRBM's/drones/fast attack craft/anti-air defences that were being built to provide an impenetrable barrier so that they could start to build nukes with impunity, their military branch and national holiday that are both dedicated to a future genocide in Israel, all the comments from former Dem presidents and presidential candidates about how important it is to prevent Iran from getting nukes, the number of times that groups of ME countries have banded together to try to commit genocide in Israel, etc.  

Nope, they just say "Owinj man bad" and the cultists rush out the door with Iranian and Palestinian flags. 

Leftists are owned by the alt-left MSM. 

Edited April 22 by WestCanMan

[Goddess]

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Don't forget, CBC/CTV and their fake polling data play some of the lead roles in running this country. 

It's those guys that decide what Canadians should be supporting, or be angry about.

I know, right?  CBC is nothing but Pravda for the Liberals.

Every night, the brainwashed zombies are treated to "Conservatives bad, Liberals perfect."

Right now, they're desperate to get rid of Poilievre.  And the ones here who keep saying, "Oh, I would vote Con if they had a different leader."

I call Bullshit.  They'll believe whatever the TV says to believe.

The media hated O'Toole and Sheer, too.  O'Toole was Trump, too, remember?

It doesn't matter who the Con leader is, they will get smeared 24/7 by the media and the zombies eat it up.

 

Edited April 22 by Goddess

[WestCanMan]

23 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Right now, they're desperate to get rid of Poilievre.  And the ones here who keep saying, "Oh, I would vote Con if they had a different leader."

The media hated O'Toole and Scheer, too.  O'Toole was Trump, too, remember?

Their hatred of Scheer was classic.

CBC never mentioned Trudeau's scandals at all during the election campaign season, they talked about everything but, and then as soon as Trudeau won the election their headline was:

• "Despite all of Trudeau's scandals, Scheer couldn't beat him. Is it time for him to step down as leader"? 

That actually should have read:

• "Despite all of the Trudeau scandals that we refused to talk about, Scheer couldn't beat him. Is it time for him to step down as leader"? 

In a democracy, a real topic for discussion at that time would have been:

• The state broadcaster just spent the last 6 months covering up Trudeau's scandals, in order to help him win the election. Is it time to fire everyone in the editorial staff of CBC's news branch?

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Their hatred of Scheer was classic.

🤣  Oh ya, I remember a bunch here filling their diapers because CBC told them he had dual citizenship with the US by birth.

Then they all had to pipe down when Carney showed up with 3 citizenships and claiming to be "European."

[Army Guy]

17 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Lol...  I typed something out then figured, why...  You're of a totally different mindset.  I'm not going to convince you and you're not going to convince me.  "We survive because of them"...  lost your pride huh.

I will throw this in though... the industry started to shift away from Canada in the 2000's with restructuring in 2008/09 that saw plant closures, and the manufacturing footprints going to the US or Mexico. That was your guy Harper, not the 2016 liberals who saw the lost investment and jobs during his term that's generally carried on since. Investments will go where it makes best sense for their business and for the most part and regardless of the PM, it hasn't been Canada.

 

Your right Harper is or was part of the problem, But don't pretend this was all his doing.....the liberals have had a much longer term in office to screw things up to the point we have today.....but here is the rub, your man Justin had 10 plus years to improve upon harpers record and he did not even try....Carney who has only a year at the wheel has decided to bend them over another table and invite in Chinese cars to further complicate the whole issue....and after Justin we are just suppose to trust Carney because you guys think he is the man....liberal voters kinda suck at picking "The man"

[Army Guy]

10 hours ago, John Stone said:

The previous administration made broad proposals that would have been implemented ………

The proposals included, but not limited to,  the so-called, (bipartisan) Infrastructure Law – which provided 8 billion $$  in federal funding to develop the country’s EV charging structure. The goal was 500,000 public chargers nationwide within 5 years.

Through EO, (got to love those), Trump put an immediate pause on billions of dollars in funding allocated for EV charging stations appropriated through the bipartisan infrastructure law approved in 2021.

 

FWIW?  IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME. 

I'm sure they will, but lets face reality as long as Trump is president EV in America are not going to be that popular....and the US market has a huge influence on our market...

[Goddess]

10 hours ago, John Stone said:

FWIW?  IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME.

God bless the little Congolese children and their tiny fingers, working away in those cobalt mines. ❤️

Looks like we relaxed our view of slave labor just in time for the EV boom!

[paxamericana]

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

God bless the little Congolese children and their tiny fingers, working away in those cobalt mines. ❤️

Looks like we relaxed our view of slave labor just in time for the EV boom!

Don’t forget the slave labor in China @herbieis perpetuating!