Popular Post User Posted April 6 Popular Post Report Posted April 6 4 hours ago, Hodad said: This is the point. Should the POTUS really need someone to advise him NOT to behave as he does? Why is this a valid defense of disqualifying character and behavior? You defended a President who was not mentally competent, and you are going to talk to us about disqualifying character and behavior? 5 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 15 hours ago, Hodad said: ... We've never had a president attempt to overthrow democracy before--to take something sacred from the people and put himself squarely and literally before the country the office is meant to serve. No, we've had flashes of self dealing and corruption, but Trump has been uniquely destructive in terms of American identity, striking at the core of what this country is supposed to mean. Yes we have...you just refuse to admit it because of a particular aversion to the present president...Trump. History reports many such dealings not just for self, but to achieve political, military, and economic objectives. So why is Trump being held to a different standard or outcome ? I can understand disagreements over policy and actions, but to ignore the past in comparison is just purposeful delusion. Quote It's dishonest to pretend that unprecedented behavior is really no big deal, and doubly so to do so under the guise of historical literacy. I am being perfectly honest, historically literate, and objective by many measures. To ignore such things is baffling to me, but I suppose there are people who have their partisan reasons for doing so, just as before Trump ever came along. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 12 hours ago, CdnFox said: Pretty much. Although it can be said that trump is the latest in a very long line of presidents who have pushed the boundaries of the power of the office. Many who have come before him have put their finger on that scale a little bit. Obama did quite a bit. Some might rightly say it feels a little bit more lopsided these days with the president being slightly more empowered than the founding fathers originally intended. But you can't pin that on trump, of dems and republicans have been allowing that for ages This. I don't understand why the Trump haters don't understand this aspect of the American presidency, despite valid concerns about policies. There seems to be a deep seated loathing and personal animus for Trump that blinds all perspective and comprehension of what has gone on for generations. They tout "democracy" as being sacred (even though the U.S. is actually a constitutional republic), but quickly dismiss party shenanigans in 2024 that disenfranchised Democrat primary voters as unimportant. Quote But as you say, regardless trump will come and go and the earth will continue spinning its diurnal travels around the sun I think you have pointed out one of the distinctions I see going on here...age. I am old enough to have lived through many of the events each presidency has experienced...good and bad. The assassinations (and attempts), the wars and related body counts each week, the riots, the boom/bust economic cycles, numerous social changes (e.g. civil rights), duck and cover nuclear bomb drills, gasoline shortages and long lines, illegal immigration and raids, Watergate and Iran Contra, etc., etc. So now I'm supposed to get far more depressed and angry about one Donald J. Trump for the "shame" he has bestowed upon the American people ? No...not gonna happen, because it didn't happen before either. The sky is not falling. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
CdnFox Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: This. I don't understand why the Trump haters don't understand this aspect of the American presidency, despite valid concerns about policies. The annoying thing is they were warned and discussions did happen. People said if you allow these things to happen under obama and biden then the day will come when someone you don't like gets in power and uses it against you. And you won't have a leg to stand on and there won' t be a lot of sympathy from the other side. I myself said that here to dem supporters when biden was running amok. And the dems here were like "whatever, we're totally justified". Now the same antics used against them has them howling in rage. Its' infuriating. And this little death spiral for american democratic representation will continue. 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So now I'm supposed to get far more depressed and angry about one Donald J. Trump for the "shame" he has bestowed upon the American people ? LOL yeah and they can't understand why you're not furious, failing to remember they were all for this nonsense in the past when it was their guy Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Hodad Posted April 7 Author Report Posted April 7 6 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes we have...you just refuse to admit it because of a particular aversion to the present president...Trump. History reports many such dealings not just for self, but to achieve political, military, and economic objectives. So why is Trump being held to a different standard or outcome ? I can understand disagreements over policy and actions, but to ignore the past in comparison is just purposeful delusion. I am being perfectly honest, historically literate, and objective by many measures. To ignore such things is baffling to me, but I suppose there are people who have their partisan reasons for doing so, just as before Trump ever came along. That's complete bullshit, and you know it. Trump is the only US president to attempt a coup. Full stop. And in support of that effort to illegally seize and retain power, he committed a litany of other sins and transgressions against American democracy--against the American people. You are simply lying, trying to hand-wave away unprecedented behavior and unique and lasting harm. (Whether it's fatal remains to be seen ) You didn't cite any such historical incident because it's never happened before. Not in this country. Unprecedented is unprecedented. 1 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 4 minutes ago, Hodad said: That's complete bullshit, and you know it. Trump is the only US president to attempt a coup. Full stop. And in support of that effort to illegally seize and retain power, he committed a litany of other sins and transgressions against American democracy--against the American people. It was not a coup attempt, any more than Democrat faithless electors in 2016 trying to stop Trump from taking power. "Sins and transgressions" only adds to an existing list by many previous presidents that you seemingly choose to ignore for obvious reasons. Quote You are simply lying, trying to hand-wave away unprecedented behavior and unique and lasting harm. (Whether it's fatal remains to be seen ) You didn't cite any such historical incident because it's never happened before. Not in this country. Unprecedented is unprecedented. Well, it has happened before, notably in 1898 and the 1930's. But facts mean nothing to you, so I won't bother....emotion matters more it would seem. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 4 hours ago, CdnFox said: I myself said that here to dem supporters when biden was running amok. And the dems here were like "whatever, we're totally justified". Now the same antics used against them has them howling in rage. Its' infuriating. And this little death spiral for american democratic representation will continue. Yes...they doth protest too much...and it is funny to watch all the virtue signaling to each other with such moral outrage and tears. This is the same Democrat party that championed slavery, KKK, and Jim Crow laws...now they cry about "democracy". Quote LOL yeah and they can't understand why you're not furious, failing to remember they were all for this nonsense in the past when it was their guy Many Americans (and others) of all stripes have lost the ability to disagree but respect individual speech rights. It wasn't that long ago when politics and media enforced this standard by choice and limited media access. This collapsed in the 90's with explosive media growth, internet access, identity politics, and a split red/blue electorate. Conflict gets higher ratings than respectful discourse. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hodad Posted April 7 Author Report Posted April 7 6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: It was not a coup attempt, any more than Democrat faithless electors in 2016 trying to stop Trump from taking power. "Sins and transgressions" only adds to an existing list by many previous presidents that you seemingly choose to ignore for obvious reasons. Well, it has happened before, notably in 1898 and the 1930's. But facts mean nothing to you, so I won't bother....emotion matters more it would seem. False. In our wonky electoral college system (which should be abandoned anyway) there is no federal prohibition against faithless electors. It's not extralegal, but rather baked into that antiquated system. Contrast that with Trump's people, literally on the floor of the Senate during certification, trying to deliver known fraudulent documents to the Vice President (who also knew them to be fraudulent) and extreme pressure on the VP to unilaterally overturn the election during the certification process. A literal overthrow of democracy and seizure of power like we see in third-world nations. The Eastman coup plan is an abomination, and everyone involved knew it was illegal (Eastman even asked for a pre-emptive pardon). They tried it anyway--and then sicced a mob of loyalists on the Vice President when he chose to do his duty. That has never happened before. No other US president has ever attempted a coup--in the 30s or otherwise. You "won't bother" to cite facts because you have none. You're simply making it up. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 18 minutes ago, Hodad said: That has never happened before. No other US president has ever attempted a coup--in the 30s or otherwise. You "won't bother" to cite facts because you have none. You're simply making it up. I already did...forced you to research it...now you know better. The Wilmington coup was successful by any historical measure. It's OK to hate Trump...but you don't get to make up your own facts or denials. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Barquentine Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 On 4/5/2026 at 5:29 PM, Hodad said: These weren't just laws; they were a tour de force of Enlightenment philosophy. The aspirations are great. The execution? Usually not so much. Quote
Hodad Posted April 7 Author Report Posted April 7 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I already did...forced you to research it...now you know better. The Wilmington coup was successful by any historical measure. It's OK to hate Trump...but you don't get to make up your own facts or denials. Holy shit. Your idea of precedent for Trump's actions--which for several pages we've discussed as unprecedented for an American president--is a 19th century white-on-black racial massacre in Wilmington, North Carolina? That's what you're going to fall back on for why Trump isn't an outlier? You might as well rent a billboard to advertise your dishonesty. Jeebus. Quote
Hodad Posted April 7 Author Report Posted April 7 1 hour ago, Barquentine said: The aspirations are great. The execution? Usually not so much. Never is. People aren't perfect. But as long as we strive through generations to become more perfect, we will make progress of which we can be proud. 1 Quote
User Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 6 hours ago, Hodad said: That's complete bullshit, and you know it. Trump is the only US president to attempt a coup. Full stop. And in support of that effort to illegally seize and retain power, he committed a litany of other sins and transgressions against American democracy--against the American people. You are simply lying, trying to hand-wave away unprecedented behavior and unique and lasting harm. (Whether it's fatal remains to be seen ) You didn't cite any such historical incident because it's never happened before. Not in this country. Unprecedented is unprecedented. Except that he did not attempt a coup. 5 hours ago, Hodad said: False. In our wonky electoral college system (which should be abandoned anyway) there is no federal prohibition against faithless electors. It's not extralegal, but rather baked into that antiquated system. Contrast that with Trump's people, literally on the floor of the Senate during certification, trying to deliver known fraudulent documents to the Vice President (who also knew them to be fraudulent) and extreme pressure on the VP to unilaterally overturn the election during the certification process. A literal overthrow of democracy and seizure of power like we see in third-world nations. The Eastman coup plan is an abomination, and everyone involved knew it was illegal (Eastman even asked for a pre-emptive pardon). They tried it anyway--and then sicced a mob of loyalists on the Vice President when he chose to do his duty. That has never happened before. No other US president has ever attempted a coup--in the 30s or otherwise. You "won't bother" to cite facts because you have none. You're simply making it up. This is a lie. But you are too big a coward to face me to deal with that. 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 5 hours ago, Hodad said: False. In our wonky electoral college system (which should be abandoned anyway) there is no federal prohibition against faithless electors. It's not extralegal, but rather baked into that antiquated system. Contrast that with Trump's people, literally on the floor of the Senate during certification, trying to deliver known fraudulent documents to the Vice President (who also knew them to be fraudulent) and extreme pressure on the VP to unilaterally overturn the election during the certification process. A literal overthrow of democracy and seizure of power like we see in third-world nations. The Eastman coup plan is an abomination, and everyone involved knew it was illegal (Eastman even asked for a pre-emptive pardon). They tried it anyway--and then sicced a mob of loyalists on the Vice President when he chose to do his duty. That has never happened before. No other US president has ever attempted a coup--in the 30s or otherwise. You "won't bother" to cite facts because you have none. You're simply making it up. Oh you Libbies...desperately still trying to convince anyone you can, that Jan. 6 was a coup attempt. Hundreds of thousands came from all over the country because they smelled a rat. They believed that election was very fraudulent...and they still do. Nothing you say will change that. They were instructed by the POTUS to go PEACEFULLY protest. But a full half of the citizenry believe that election was a fraudulent joke. That you Democrats are cheaters and liars. And that may never change. Now...sit back and enjoy the newest fraud investigation and the wholesale removal of all those illegal ballots you freaks tried to import. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
WestCanMan Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 On 4/5/2026 at 1:29 PM, Hodad said: I spent this past weekend walking the National Mall. Standing in the Rotunda of the National Archives, looking at the faded ink of the Declaration and the Constitution, you feel the weight of a specific kind of intellectual ambition. These weren't just laws; they were a tour de force of Enlightenment philosophy. Suddenly the constitution matters to left4rds 🤣 3 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
CdnFox Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 3 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Suddenly the constitution matters to left4rds 🤣 Leftie wo/man explaining how critical the constitution is to conservatives After ignoring it for the last decade Bird explains.mp4 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
WestCanMan Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Leftie wo/man explaining how critical the constitution is to conservatives After ignoring it for the last decade Bird explains.mp4Unavailable OMG, if that's not an AI video 🤣 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
WestCanMan Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 (edited) 11 hours ago, Hodad said: That's complete bullshit, and you know it. Trump is the only US president to attempt a coup. Full stop. You were always ret4rded, but now you're completely off your rocker. Full stop. Quote And in support of that effort to illegally seize and retain power, he committed a litany of other sins and transgressions against American democracy--against the American people. ^^This^^ is your brain on MSNBC. I bet that you nod your head like a woodpecker when you watch Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow. Quote simply lying There ya go. Just get it off your chest. 👍 Quote trying to hand-wave away unprecedented behavior and unique and lasting harm. Wasn't that you guys, after Obama's race-riot years? Quote You didn't cite any such historical incident because it's never happened before. Not in this country. Unprecedented is unprecedented. You go, girl. Just keep babbling, no matter how farcical it is. Somewhere, at some point in time, someone will be dumb enough to believe your drivel. 👀 👀 👀 🤣🤣😂😭🤣😂 Edited April 7 by WestCanMan Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Nationalist Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 (edited) Errr...some interesting news... https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-No-Israelis-allowed-France-1001481464 https://www.hidabroot.com/article/12136 Just a couple examples. Isreal is slowly losing the respect of the world. Not just Muslim nations but in Western Europe. Thousands of Isrealis are protesting too. They certainly dont seem to like Netanyahu much. Is Isreal destroying its global acceptance? Now the strait is closed because Isreal insists on attacking Lebanon. Edited April 8 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Hodad Posted April 8 Author Report Posted April 8 (edited) On 4/7/2026 at 1:49 PM, Nationalist said: Oh you Libbies...desperately still trying to convince anyone you can, that Jan. 6 was a coup attempt. Hundreds of thousands came from all over the country because they smelled a rat. They believed that election was very fraudulent...and they still do. Nothing you say will change that. They were instructed by the POTUS to go PEACEFULLY protest. But a full half of the citizenry believe that election was a fraudulent joke. That you Democrats are cheaters and liars. And that may never change. Now...sit back and enjoy the newest fraud investigation and the wholesale removal of all those illegal ballots you freaks tried to import. About half the country is below average intelligence. It doesn't really matter what they believe--or what lies Trump told them. Moot point. Doesn't matter what Trump believed. Moot point. There is simply never ever any excuse for trying to get the VPOTUS to discard the state certified votes and unilaterally declare who wins an election. Or in this case, to overturn the election. That's an attempted coup, any way you slice it. 21 hours ago, WestCanMan said: You were always ret4rded, but now you're completely off your rocker. Full stop. ^^This^^ is your brain on MSNBC. I bet that you nod your head like a woodpecker when you watch Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow. There ya go. Just get it off your chest. 👍 Wasn't that you guys, after Obama's race-riot years? You go, girl. Just keep babbling, no matter how farcical it is. Somewhere, at some point in time, someone will be dumb enough to believe your drivel. 👀 👀 👀 🤣🤣😂😭🤣😂 Buddy, calling you a halfwit is generous, but ^^this post is below your usual standard. Instead of making a poorly reasoned argument, you've not made any attempt whatsoever. Edited April 8 by Hodad Quote
Nationalist Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 1 hour ago, Hodad said: About half the country is below average intelligence. D'ya gits th' impression that this SOB is-a thin'in' a might too much o' hisself? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Deluge Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 (edited) On 4/5/2026 at 6:30 PM, Hodad said: Actually, yes. Not because of a civil war or the extraordinary damage wrought, but because Americans held American principles so dearly, believed so deeply, that "the right thing" was something worth fighting for. Even dying for. Now, "conservative" America will eagerly sacrifice any principle or value to the politics of spite. Even sacrifice democracy itself if it "owns the libs." Quite literally. Zero exaggeration. So yes, a people of principle is something worthy of nostalgia. As a self-identified amoral person, that may seem strange to you, but power as the end into itself is a hollow, petty thing. What are you fighting for today? Start with illegal immigration and explain why fighting for illegal immigration is the right thing to do. Edited April 8 by Deluge Quote
Hodad Posted April 8 Author Report Posted April 8 35 minutes ago, Nationalist said: D'ya gits th' impression that this SOB is-a thin'in' a might too much o' hisself? Eh, math is math. If you've got a problem with it, take it up with the definition of "average." Roughly half the country got suckered by the Big Lie--without a shred of evidence to support it. It's not because they're smart. Quote
Nationalist Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 1 hour ago, Hodad said: Eh, math is math. If you've got a problem with it, take it up with the definition of "average." Roughly half the country got suckered by the Big Lie--without a shred of evidence to support it. It's not because they're smart. Lol...yes Kamala... Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 1 hour ago, Hodad said: Eh, math is math. If you've got a problem with it, take it up with the definition of "average." Roughly half the country got suckered by the Big Lie--without a shred of evidence to support it. It's not because they're smart. The Big Lie? Yes, you got suckered or were part of it with how Biden wasn’t mentally fit to be President. Quote
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