The Liberals are lying about fixing immigration

[Goddess]

36 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

You do realize that nobody is just taking your word for granted though, right?  

You don't have to.

Watch the committee meetings.

[cougar]

On 3/1/2026 at 8:01 AM, I am Groot said:

There is no longer a priority to bring in skilled workers. Forty two percent of those in that category last year were only 'skilled' in that they spoke French.

Why would you bring skilled workers for jobs that require little skill?

What is left in Canada in terms of skilled work?  I know we are short some 10,000 doctors at least, but apparently nobody from overseas wants to work as a doctor here, or the system would not allow them become a doctor easily.

The rest just does not exist.  

[eyeball]

37 minutes ago, cougar said:

I know we are short some 10,000 doctors at least, but apparently nobody from overseas wants to work as a doctor here, or the system would not allow them become a doctor easily.

There are currently some 13000 foreign doctors driving Uber cars and flipping burgers in Canada who would love to be working as doctors that our system can't or won't accredit or license without enormous difficulty.

[I am Groot]

7 hours ago, Moonbox said:

So the algo feeding you the conclusions it knows you want to hear makes it more reliable?  I think there's a term for that.  

Data does not equal conclusions. I often find myself checking out things I get in my feed, sometimes certain it's wrong. But it usually isn't. 

[Goddess]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There are currently some 13000 foreign doctors driving Uber cars and flipping burgers in Canada who would love to be working as doctors that our system can't or won't accredit or license without enormous difficulty.

While I agree there should be some overlap in medical professionals going between countries, I think they should have to go through some kind of equivalency testing.

Not all countries have the same medical standards we do.

And given India's penchant for faking degrees, and the Muslim doctors in the US who were performing FGM in Minnesota....yes.  Credentials should be thoroughly checked.

Sask. doctor acquitted of sexual assault charges can still be sued in civil claim, judge rules

Regina surgeon faces seven charges of unprofessional conduct | Regina Leader Post

 

We wouldn't have such a shortage of doctors if the coronamaniacs hadn't fired all the doctors and nurses and EMTs who wouldn't get the jabs because the majority of them had natural immunity from having gotten covid after working through the pandemic before the jabs were available.

Maybe we should hire some of them back.

[I am Groot]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There are currently some 13000 foreign doctors driving Uber cars and flipping burgers in Canada who would love to be working as doctors that our system can't or won't accredit or license without enormous difficulty.

I've said before that if someone was trained in and working in a Western country, we should just let them work here. I'm fine with that. But the medical establishment is NOT. The medical establishment has RULES. It has REGULATIONS. It has POLICIES, you know! It has tests and standards and interviews and a proper way of doing things! So what if it takes years!? We can't change regulations, you know!

[LinkSoul60]

59 minutes ago, cougar said:

What is left in Canada in terms of skilled work?  I know we are short some 10,000 doctors at least, but apparently nobody from overseas wants to work as a doctor here, or the system would not allow them become a doctor easily.

We have a noticeable shortage and demand for skilled tradespersons, IT professionals and that many see first hand, doctors and nurses within our healthcare systems.  I'm not sure if any directly align, but we have 13 provinces/territory's responsible for their healthcare systems with different requirements to license a foreign doctor. That needs to get addressed and quickly.

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, Goddess said:

We wouldn't have such a shortage of doctors if the coronamaniacs hadn't fired all the doctors and nurses and EMTs who wouldn't get the jabs because the majority of them had natural immunity from having gotten covid after working through the pandemic before the jabs were available.

Maybe we should hire some of them back.

Only a very small number of doctors and nurses were fired, the vast majority of healthcare workers that were fired for refusing vaccines were support staff, service workers, aides, janitors, cleaners and such.

You need to come up with better excuses.

 

[eyeball]

15 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

We can't change regulations, you know!

I'm not saying we let witch-doctors operate but I am saying this stinks like the inability to do anything about interprovincial trade barriers stinks.

Maybe we need people who can do things like announce the end of DST or start a war based on a brain fart.

[LinkSoul60]

37 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The medical establishment has RULES. It has REGULATIONS. It has POLICIES,

Thank christ they do!  I'm a big proponent of rules, regulations and policies in our healthcare systems, just like I am with the airline industry having the same.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, cougar said:

1. Why would you bring skilled workers for jobs that require little skill?

2. What is left in Canada in terms of skilled work?   

3. apparently nobody from overseas wants to work as a doctor here, or the system would not allow them become a doctor easily.

1. A relative of mine worked at Burger King and his TFW co-worker had a Masters degree.

2. Tons of IT jobs.

3. No, they can't work without Canadian accreditation.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

 

 

We wouldn't have such a shortage of doctors if the coronamaniacs hadn't fired all the doctors and nurses and EMTs who wouldn't get the jabs  

Cite on this please.

 

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Thank christ they do!  I'm a big proponent of rules, regulations and policies in our healthcare systems, just like I am with the airline industry having the same.

If the airline industry had the rules, regulations, and policies the medical establishment in Canada has, they'd still be pondering whether to approve jet engines.

A Canadian doctor or nurse can travel south and work fairly easily. An American doctor or nurse, or even a Canadian who trained in the US has to spend years negotiating the labyrinth of rules, regulations, and procedures of the Canadian medical establishment if they have any hopes of ever working here.

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. A relative of mine worked at Burger King and his TFW co-worker had a Masters degree.

What was his Masters degree in?

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. Tons of IT jobs.

And how many of them are being filled by Canadians as opposed to immigrants and foreign workers?

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

3. No, they can't work without Canadian accreditation.

Which the Canadian medical associations will make so difficult to obtain that they might as well stay home.

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'm not saying we let witch-doctors operate but I am saying this stinks like the inability to do anything about interprovincial trade barriers stinks.

Maybe we need people who can do things like announce the end of DST or start a war based on a brain fart.

No, but we do need people who will say "Do it or you're fired."

And we don't seem to have any of those. The medical establishment strongly resists any changes to its regulations. I really think that they look down their nose at a doctor whose only accomplishments are graduating first in his class at Harvard and heading up the ER at Johns Hopkins, and feel they should have to go through medical school again in Canada in order to qualify to practice here.

Mostly, we get third-world doctors approved because they're the only ones willing to put up the dogged persistence over the years to qualify. For Western doctors, it seems not to be worth the effort. 

Fun fact: There are an estimated 6,700-8,000 Canadian doctors, and over 18,000 Canadian nurses working in the US.

Edited March 6 by I am Groot

[Goddess]

13 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Cite on this please.

 

You didn't know this?  It was done because natural immunity, despite being understood for centuries, was denied with regard to covid and all the studies showing natural immunity was far better than vaccine-induced immunity (as it always is) were censored and suppressed.

When I say we threw science completely out the window, we most certainly did.

Provinces sacked almost 10,000 health care workers over vaccine mandates | True North

About 2,500 BC health-care workers lost jobs over refusal to vaccinate | Vancouver Sun

 

Ontario has ruled the firings were unreasonable and they should get their jobs back.  But a lot of them either took on other positions outside the medical field or were so disgusted with the refusal of the medical system to actually "follow the science" that they no longer wish to work in the field.

Arbitrator rules in favour of Ont. nurses fired for refusing COVID vaccines

London hospital worker fired for refusing COVID-19 shot must get job back, arbitrator rules | CBC News

 

But the mandate still stands in most of Canada.

Canada is replacing healthcare staff who’ve refused the COVID jab with foreign workers - Todayville

 

There was some gov't propaganda put out that firing 10,000 healthcare workers in Canada in no way contributed to the healthcare shortage, but......I leave that up to you.

 

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

But the mandate still stands in most of Canada.

Canada is replacing healthcare staff who’ve refused the COVID jab with foreign workers - Todayville

I will add - continuing with this mandate is entirely unscientific.

The shots do not prevent infection or transmission.

So healthcare workers, whether vaccinated or having natural immunity from natural infection - most are still going to get covid again, it's clearly endemic.

In fact, the Cleveland Clinic study, which had a cohort of 50,000 healthcare workers, showed that those with 3 jabs got covid far more often than those who had 1 or 2.  I've posted the many studies in the Trickle Thread that explain the mechanism for why this is.  Bottom line - repeated jabs are fuqueing up people's immune systems, making them MORE susceptible to covid and every other infection/cold/flu.  The body becomes a toxic spike protein factory and there is no way to turn it off.  Latest studies show spike is still being produced 3 years post last injection.  Since it was experimental - we will have to wait to see if it's still being produced 5 years, 10 years, 20 years later and what the effects of that will be.

Isn't this fun? 😬

[Goddess]

@Michael Hardner Here is the basic chart from the conclusion of that study:

You're more likely to get covid from a vaccinated person than an unvaccinated person, especially if they already had covid.  Which a large portion of the population, especially those in healthcare, did already get it before the jabs were even available. 

Edited March 6 by Goddess

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

@Michael Hardner Here is the basic chart from the conclusion of that study:

You're more likely to get covid from a vaccinated person than an unvaccinated person, especially if they already had covid.  Which a large portion of the population, especially those in healthcare, did already get it before the jabs were even available. 

I need a cite on the number of doctors we lost. That was your point I think.

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

 

1. What was his Masters degree in?

2. And how many of them are being filled by Canadians as opposed to immigrants and foreign workers?

3. Which the Canadian medical associations will make so difficult to obtain that they might as well stay home.

1. Chemistry.

2. As far as I know, it's pretty easy still to get a job in IT.  I had only have anecdotal evidence of a few friends who joined the industry and got in the door pretty easily. 

3. Agreed.

[Goddess]

14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I need a cite on the number of doctors we lost. That was your point I think.

Of course you do.

I don't believe the numbers have been broken down officially.  I suppose it could be pieced together by an independent investigation searching for news articles that mention numbers of doctors who have been legally fighting the firings.  

In addition to firings for refusing the jab, there were doctors in Canada who lost their licenses for giving out exemptions, prescribing or using ivermectin, speaking even remotely negatively about the ineffectiveness or safety of the jabs.  Some successfully fought and did not lose their licenses, but the threat put a chill on any doctor expressing thoughts counter to the official narrative.

I think of Dr. Charles Hoffe, longtime local doc in Lytton, BC.  Knew his patients well.   Saw disturbing health events in his patients after the rollout and started doing d-dimer tests on them and discovered the micro-clotting.  Notified the BC health authorities and was immediately threatened and suppressed.  Later, as perhaps you are aware, 2 of the 4 mandated jabs were removed from the market for.......clotting issues (amongst other safety issues).

I've learned throughout this pandemic thing - there is such a thing as being right, too soon.  Especially when being right is in conflict with corporate interests.

the clotting issue was denied vehemently and any docs & scientists saying otherwise were vilified, only to be proved right.  Same with myocarditis post-injection - totally denied and cardiologists who said otherwise were branded "quacks".  Now there's a black box warning on the labels.

Rising cancer cases is the latest.  Denied, denied, denied.  But more and more studies coming out, from all over the world - they will not be able to deny it much longer.

 

Edited March 6 by Goddess

[Goddess]

So we perhaps saved a number of very elderly people in the beginning, supposedly by injecting the entire population with an experimental jab that causes blood-clotting issues, cardio issues and now, very likely, cancer.  And this is among young, healthy people who were never in any danger from covid.

Maybe we need to think about this before we ever allow this to happen to us again.  It ends when we all say No.

[CdnFox]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

Only a very small number of doctors and nurses were fired, the vast majority of healthcare workers that were fired for refusing vaccines were support staff, service workers, aides, janitors, cleaners and such.

You need to come up with better excuses.

 

Nope. And i've posted this info before. 

A lot of doctors and nurses were also fired,  there was that bill board put up by 50 doctors who got fired pointing out they'd be happy to work and could do so safely but...  Nope and there were a crap tonne of nurses. And most of those 'support' workers still filled key medica positons, like phlebotomists and such. Still an absolutely critical component to our medical system and if they're not there then you need to pull a nurse off the line to do their job

Sorry but you don't get to whine about foreign doctors while cheering for our own medical professionals being fired. 

 

Edited March 6 by CdnFox

[CdnFox]

Finally!!!!  The liberals have come up with a foolproof way to reduce foreign workers!!!!!

Canada transitioning foreign workers to permanent residence

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

Of course you do.

I don't believe the numbers have been broken down officially.  I suppose it could be pieced together by an independent investigation searching for news articles that mention numbers of doctors who have been legally fighting the firings.  

In addition to firings for refusing the jab, there were doctors in Canada who lost their licenses for giving out exemptions, prescribing or using ivermectin, speaking even remotely negatively about the ineffectiveness or safety of the jabs.  Some successfully fought and did not lose their licenses, but the threat put a chill on any doctor expressing thoughts counter to the official narrative.

I think of Dr. Charles Hoffe, longtime local doc in Lytton, BC.  Knew his patients well.   Saw disturbing health events in his patients after the rollout and started doing d-dimer tests on them and discovered the micro-clotting.  Notified the BC health authorities and was immediately threatened and suppressed.  Later, as perhaps you are aware, 2 of the 4 mandated jabs were removed from the market for.......clotting issues (amongst other safety issues).

I've learned throughout this pandemic thing - there is such a thing as being right, too soon.  Especially when being right is in conflict with corporate interests.

the clotting issue was denied vehemently and any docs & scientists saying otherwise were vilified, only to be proved right.  Same with myocarditis post-injection - totally denied and cardiologists who said otherwise were branded "quacks".  Now there's a black box warning on the labels.

Rising cancer cases is the latest.  Denied, denied, denied.  But more and more studies coming out, from all over the world - they will not be able to deny it much longer.

 

Long post to say you have no evidence.

 

I appreciate your honesty, sincerely.  But you continued your post assuming this is a fact.

 

I can't follow this without proof.

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nope. 

Yup.

18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And i've posted this info before. 

Nope.

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yup.

 

Nope.  And i explained why.  You just went with 'muh feels'. 

But as usual you rely on lies 

Over 3000 health care workers were terminated for failure to comply and the vast majority of them were front line people necessary to provide care such as lab techs, Phlebotomists, nurses and doctors and the like. All of which are absolutely critical to delivering care, we're not talking about janitors

But hey, if you think I'm wrong prove I'm wrong. Tell us how many of them were non-medical staff. I think you'll find that number is pretty close to zero but sure, you think differently go ahead and prove it

 

As always your arguments depend on lies.