CdnFox Posted February 13 Author Report Posted February 13 3 minutes ago, User said: Who is going to go get the guns? Where will they be stored? The police are already maxed out and they have no room in their storage for these guns! OMG What do we do? This was actually a proposition sometime ago, the idea of centralized storage where people checked their guns into a common facility instead of keeping them at home. Extremely quickly it became extremely obvious that this would be literally impossible and all you're doing is creating a giant warehouse the bad guys can rob and get all the guns they want to sell to criminals for the next 20 years The left always goes after the tool and the tool isn't what makes a decision to kill people. When you have someone considering murder there's a million tools they can use but there's only one murderer. Take him out of the equation and it doesn't matter what tools are available 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Venandi Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 (edited) 25 minutes ago, CdnFox said: blaming the tool is pointless. Almost a pointless as thoughtful, well researched statements like: 42 minutes ago, eyeball said: go take them up with your therapists maybe. I keep thinking that experience (especially bad experience) will help illuminate the path ahead. But the only thing it actually illuminates is why progressives are uniquely ill-equipped to connect dots in any sort of cause and effect equation that they don't have direct experience with. They mostly know a thing or two about cars though, so If I suggested that automobiles were the cause of impaired driving they would all laugh. Other than taking these critters to the range or an IPSC event (the safest place you could possibly be in Toronto on a Sunday) I'm at a loss. Edited February 13 by Venandi 1 Quote
User Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: This was actually a proposition sometime ago, the idea of centralized storage where people checked their guns into a common facility instead of keeping them at home. Extremely quickly it became extremely obvious that this would be literally impossible and all you're doing is creating a giant warehouse the bad guys can rob and get all the guns they want to sell to criminals for the next 20 years The left always goes after the tool and the tool isn't what makes a decision to kill people. When you have someone considering murder there's a million tools they can use but there's only one murderer. Take him out of the equation and it doesn't matter what tools are available Yeah, I get into this same discussion with people on suicide prevention. They only care if someone kills themselves with a gun. Like, a good chunk of suicides are done with hanging/suffocation, and drugs. I guess that is totally cool, and sexist, since more females use suffocation to kill themselves compared to men, but that is totally cool. As long as they don't use a gun! Quote
Venandi Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Extremely quickly it became extremely obvious that this would be literally impossible and all you're doing is creating a giant warehouse the bad guys can rob and get all the guns they want to sell to criminals for the next 20 years Yes... a small snippet of logic that somehow managed to prevail in a sea of madness. If only the wind hadn't shifted. This particular thread got me thinking about my time in Kandahar (2009-2010). The total population there was somewhat transient and I'm not sure if anyone ever knew the total population at any given time. Most estimates (as I recall) were in excess of 20,000 on any given day though... but I honestly have no idea. The point is.... everyone was armed to the teeth and yet (with only two examples of abject stupidity not with standing) we didn't put on dresses and deliberately shoot each other with the malice of forethought. Is there any sort of lesson in that or are military people less crazy than the public at large even though they are actually drawn from the public at large? Guess I'll have to think about that a bit... Also, totally lost here are the perceived evils of a semi-automatic rifle with a 5 round magazine. The people treading that path have no idea what can be accomplished with a bolt action rifle and good quality scope in the hands of someone who knows how to use it... or for that matter, a 50lb bow and a quiver full of arrows during recess. Collectively, we need to drop the narratives, give this a bit more thought and connect some of the dots that transcend politics. But we won't... and the reason for that will soon become obvious in the posts below. .. Edited February 13 by Venandi 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 25 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The solutions are terribly complicated. What appropriate funding into mental health issues. The police have the laws necessary to be able to address situations where somebody has been identified as being a threat. Don't pass gun laws that focus on the type of gun because it's meaningless, pass laws that focus on responsible use and training and securing the guns when not in use. That helps with accidents and theft. And most importantly educate the public on mental health issues and how to recognize when someone's really in trouble and make sure they know how to get help. That's probably the biggest And generally speaking when we do that in Canada that works for us. We tend to stop more killers before they take action, we tend to keep lawfully owned guns out of the hands of people who would miss use them with something like 95% of all guns used in crime coming from illegal sources, etc. blaming the tool is pointless. Once a person has decided to kill, they'er going to kill. You HAVE to focus on the person. As I mentioned...when can you tell there is a mental issue?? Generally discussed or claimed after tragedy. What gun is needed...except for those for hunting and maybe self protection. You cannot make me believe a semi or fully automatic military weapon is needed or even has use in Canada? We do have "laws that focus on responsible use and training and securing the guns when not in use.". The question that needs to be asked is what proof is needed and when can police or law enforcement check anyone abides by those existing laws? Again, educating is a lofty goal but, how??? Are you or is anyone capable or professional enough to deem someone mentally unstable...let alone accuse them of it? Exactly how do we "stop more killers before they take action, we tend to keep lawfully owned guns out of the hands of people who would miss use them" without stomping on some civil rights? So, "Once a person has decided to kill, they'er going to kill." are they considered mentally challenged before or after the kill? Like I said, I do not have answers but it is not easy not to infringe upon rights to do anything abut it. 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 28 minutes ago, CdnFox said: This was actually a proposition sometime ago, the idea of centralized storage where people checked their guns into a common facility instead of keeping them at home. Extremely quickly it became extremely obvious that this would be literally impossible and all you're doing is creating a giant warehouse the bad guys can rob and get all the guns they want to sell to criminals for the next 20 years The left always goes after the tool and the tool isn't what makes a decision to kill people. When you have someone considering murder there's a million tools they can use but there's only one murderer. Take him out of the equation and it doesn't matter what tools are available Who made that proposal? I do agree it would just be a great place to rob. Well, if you don't have a hammer, you cannot build the house..so, what is the solution from the right? How do you identify the murderer until he/she (or whatever pronoun you wish to use) murders Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
User Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: As I mentioned...when can you tell there is a mental issue?? Generally discussed or claimed after tragedy. If you can't tell there is a mental issue, how can you tell they need to have their guns taken away? 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: What gun is needed...except for those for hunting and maybe self protection. You cannot make me believe a semi or fully automatic military weapon is needed or even has use in Canada? The military uses shotguns, bolt-action rifles, and handguns. They also teach people to kill with shovels and knives. Everything is a military weapon. 1 Quote
Venandi Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, Venandi said: and the reason for that will soon become obvious in the posts below. In anticipation of the madness to follow I'll offer a final thought on the how of it. As with a host of other endeavours, from carpentry, flying wide body jets, operating heavy equipment, to commercial diving, parachuting, fur trapping and falconry... there is a process of vetting, training, experience, testing and certification. First year medical students don't do bypass surgeries, Air Cadets don't fly wide body jets on transatlantic routes in MNPS airspace, forklift drivers require certification at 5 year intervals, Class A drivers over 60 require a medical every year, airline pilots every 6 months (over 40) to keep a Cat 1 medical... and regardless of age, your job is on the line every 6 months with simulator training. There's also a physiological component here too, if you wear a dress and have a violent online presence it might just pose an employment issue for ya. Get my drift here Flybaby? It's not that hard to do this right... Edited February 13 by Venandi Quote
herbie Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 Quote Why do you want to limit access to firearms for someone having psychiatric episodes? That has to be the most "stupid f*cking American" thing I've ever read. My chihuahua has a higher IQ than anyone who'd ask such a question. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 1 hour ago, User said: If you can't tell there is a mental issue, how can you tell they need to have their guns taken away? The military uses shotguns, bolt-action rifles, and handguns. They also teach people to kill with shovels and knives. Everything is a military weapon. My point exactly. How can you tell if t a person has mental issues??? "Generally discussed or claimed after tragedy.\" I said "semi or fully automatic military weapon is needed or even has use in Canada?" The military has a reason for needing it...a civilian in a trailer park does not. OK then...everything can be a weapon?? What is your point?? Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Venandi said: In anticipation of the madness to ... ..... violent online presence it might just pose an employment issue for ya. ....... Get my drift here Flybaby? Are you asking me??? Or Venandi...the person you are responding to? Edited February 13 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 18 minutes ago, herbie said: That has to be the most "stupid f*cking American" thing I've ever read. My chihuahua has a higher IQ than anyone who'd ask such a question. Archie Bunker has a great line in one of his All in the Family episodes...he said "If you want to stop hijacking or crime, just issue everyone a gun" LOL Geez I miss his wisdom Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
herbie Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 Yes that's another stupidity. If you want to stop bullets flying eveywhere, you must have more bullets flying around. Once camping in Oregon, my ex refused to let us camp at a wilderness site and literally went into a shitstorm until I complied. There could be bears around, and in the WalMart parking lot at least you know somebody camping there has a gun...... in case a bear is hunting for a jar of GreatValue honey? Quote
User Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 19 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: My point exactly. How can you tell if t a person has mental issues??? "Generally discussed or claimed after tragedy.\" I said "semi or fully automatic military weapon is needed or even has use in Canada?" The military has a reason for needing it...a civilian in a trailer park does not. OK then...everything can be a weapon?? What is your point?? My point is that calling things a military weapon is just silly nonsense. It is a leftist talking point commonly used to make weapons seem unnecessary, as you are doing, because only the military needs that! When, in reality, the military uses lots of common firearms types, there is nothing special about that. The military has a reason for needing an M240G fully automatic machine gun. Just because the military also uses semi-automatic rifles or handguns or shotguns, doesn't mean a civilian does not. The Military also uses shovels and knives, so I guess civilians do not need those either! 3 minutes ago, herbie said: Yes that's another stupidity. If you want to stop bullets flying eveywhere, you must have more bullets flying around. Once camping in Oregon, my ex refused to let us camp at a wilderness site and literally went into a shitstorm until I complied. There could be bears around, and in the WalMart parking lot at least you know somebody camping there has a gun...... in case a bear is hunting for a jar of GreatValue honey? No, of course not. I highly suggest you just sit there and die, because shooting back at the bad guy would be more bullets flying around. Do not call the police to help either, because we only want the bad guy shooting people. There is some stupidity going on here, and it is from people like you. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 14 Author Report Posted February 14 5 hours ago, Venandi said: Yes... a small snippet of logic that somehow managed to prevail in a sea of madness. If only the wind hadn't shifted. This particular thread got me thinking about my time in Kandahar (2009-2010). The total population there was somewhat transient and I'm not sure if anyone ever knew the total population at any given time. Most estimates (as I recall) were in excess of 20,000 on any given day though... but I honestly have no idea. The point is.... everyone was armed to the teeth and yet (with only two examples of abject stupidity not with standing) we didn't put on dresses and deliberately shoot each other with the malice of forethought. Is there any sort of lesson in that or are military people less crazy than the public at large even though they are actually drawn from the public at large? Guess I'll have to think about that a bit... Also, totally lost here are the perceived evils of a semi-automatic rifle with a 5 round magazine. The people treading that path have no idea what can be accomplished with a bolt action rifle and good quality scope in the hands of someone who knows how to use it... or for that matter, a 50lb bow and a quiver full of arrows during recess. Collectively, we need to drop the narratives, give this a bit more thought and connect some of the dots that transcend politics. But we won't... and the reason for that will soon become obvious in the posts below. .. At the end of the day responsible people who have appropriate training in the use of equipment aren't much of a threat to anybody. When somebody has a mental illness that causes them to be homicidal or as is often the case suicidal and homicidal at the same time which is truly dangerous then they're a danger regardless of the tool That's where our focus has to be. We have to reach the bad guys before they become bad guys and get them the help they need and be able to isolate them enough to allow the rest of society to be safe until they are appropriately treated. I've read that he was getting some help but how much can there be in a small town like that? Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted February 14 Author Report Posted February 14 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: As I mentioned...when can you tell there is a mental issue?? Generally discussed or claimed after tragedy. No there are definitely ways you can tell. In fact as I mentioned there are experts who research this specific subject and look at what mental conditions need to be in place for someone to be an annihilator, someone who wants to kill their family and everyone else around them and then commit suicide. And in fact in this case this person had been treated for mental health issues. There was no doubt here. What may have slipped under the radar is how serious it was becoming. There are signs for that but you have to teach people what to look for and how to get help or else they may sit there worrying and wondering if things are worse than they think but they won't know and they won't know how to take action. 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: We do have "laws that focus on responsible use and training and securing the guns when not in use.". That's all you can do. At the end of the day if a bad guy wants to hurt other people they're going to steal guns if they don't have them or buy them illegally or use a car or use fire or use a knife Remember this? : 2025 Vancouver car attack - Wikipedia The attack left 11 people dead and at least 32 more injured Now because the guy had a mental health issue they did not classify this as a mass murder. But the guy was nuts, freaked out, killed 11 people and wounded 32. That is a far more serious attack than this gun attack. And that was just last year 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: So, "Once a person has decided to kill, they'er going to kill." are they considered mentally challenged before or after the kill? Both in most cases The Research indicates that people do not just snap. That there is a progression to get to this point where they have Become suicidal and homicidal. There will be signs if you know what to look for. 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Exactly how do we "stop more killers before they take action, we tend to keep lawfully owned guns out of the hands of people who would miss use them" without stomping on some civil rights? We take appropriate action to detect the dangerous mental health issues before they become serious and provide treatment and if necessary isolation until they're treated. This can be done well protecting people's civil rights. Canada already has a number of red flag laws another protections that allow for this sort of thing to happen and to be blunt the police use them more often than you would think. It is an effective way to stop these kind of events. Not all of them of course but there have been a large number that have been foiled by police over the years. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted February 14 Author Report Posted February 14 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Who made that proposal? I do agree it would just be a great place to rob. Well, if you don't have a hammer, you cannot build the house..so, what is the solution from the right? How do you identify the murderer until he/she (or whatever pronoun you wish to use) murders Oh it was echoed by a number of liberal mPS and a few other people but it was originally the brainchild of the coalition for gun control, which was a completely liberal government funded organization led by the infamous Kookie Wendy Cukier. Wendy got paid BY the liberal gov't 3/4 of a million dollars to LOBBY the liberal gov't about gun control and for many years made a living giving speeches about gun control etc around the world. She was a prof at ryerson U. A more foul and wretched twat you have never met. Anyway she was always coming up with crap like that, fortunately that one died in early death 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 On 2/11/2026 at 2:16 PM, CdnFox said: But I tend to look at real solutions in this sort of circumstance. I know there are real problems with people insisting that we're not allowed to question transgender people in the slightest The problem is that you're not being allowed to get away with providing answers that come with a bunch of fear and loathing or using incidents like Tumbler Ridge as a spotlight for a bunch of unrelated grievances, almost always singularly focused on the left. There's nothing wrong with questions about bathrooms or sports and change rooms but I guess to you people any society trying to even address these has already crossed a red line. On 2/11/2026 at 2:16 PM, CdnFox said: As we have seen many times when you talk about terrorism you don't give a flying fig that right now there's a 12-year-old girl laying in a hospital fighting for her life for the bullet hole in her head. You're absolutely fine with that as long as it suits your politics. Yes well, go stick your precious grievances and pearls back up your ass where they belong. You have no problem whatsoever with terrorists raping and killing whenever it suits your politics. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted February 14 Author Report Posted February 14 Some more insight into the shooter Father of Tumbler Ridge shooter issues statement | National Post So no father figure in his life. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted February 14 Author Report Posted February 14 1 minute ago, eyeball said: The problem is that you're not being allowed to get away with providing answers that come with a bunch of fear and loathing or using incidents like Tumbler Ridge as a spotlight for a bunch of unrelated grievances, almost always singularly focused on the left. The fear and loathing is all yours. It's you and your side who insisted that anyone interfering with transitioning for questioning in the slightest should be criminally treated. It's you and your kind who deliberately spread the idea that parents shouldn't have a say in their children's gender decisions even if mental health is a risk . You yourself have defended these positions. And many here have suggested that if things like the Alberta law requiring teachers to advise their parents will only lead to massive death and destruction of trans people My statement is that they should be getting medical treatment regardless of whether they're trans or not. Apparently you think that's not true 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: Yes well, go stick your precious grievances and pearls back up your ass where they belong. Oh dear. You've become offended by the truth again I see. Hey sparky. You're sad devotion to your cult and assistance that no trans person should ever be questioned and that trans people never have mental health issues is the kind of thing that just got a bunch of kids killed. Pretty sad 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: It's you and your kind who deliberately spread the idea that parents shouldn't have a say in their children's gender decisions even if mental health is a risk You yourself have defended these positions. LMAO! You're just talking to some make believe caricature of who you think I am. I've rarely weighed in on this issue at all and the only time I do is when your ilk barf all your bile on the left. I've certainly never said kids parents should be left out of their kids lives. Yer a fricken' loon. 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: My statement is that they should be getting medical treatment regardless of whether they're trans or not. Apparently you think that's not true Apparently you don't have a clue what I think. All you need to know is that I'm a lefty. You fùcking people are hilarious. 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: Hey sparky. You're sad devotion to your cult and assistance that no trans person should ever be questioned and that trans people never have mental health issues is the kind of thing that just got a bunch of kids killed. Fùck you. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 Poilievre did an excellent job here. The appearance with Carney reminded me of Mitterrand and Kohl holding hands at Verdun in 1984 to symbolize reconciliation between France and Germany. It was a genuine moment too. The more PP behaves normally, the more people like me will look at his ideas on taxation and the economy. Over the long term I want to see balanced budgets and lower taxes in this country. 1 Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 (edited) 8 hours ago, herbie said: Yes that's another stupidity. If you want to stop bullets flying eveywhere, you must have more bullets flying around. Once camping in Oregon, my ex refused to let us camp at a wilderness site and literally went into a shitstorm until I complied. There could be bears around, and in the WalMart parking lot at least you know somebody camping there has a gun...... in case a bear is hunting for a jar of GreatValue honey? I’d rather take my chance with the bears than with random armed campers. Although in northern Labrador I’d like to have assistance. The polar bears are mean up there. Edited February 14 by SpankyMcFarland 1 Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
CdnFox Posted February 14 Author Report Posted February 14 1 hour ago, eyeball said: LMAO! You're just talking to some make believe caricature of who you think I am. We both know that's a lie. It's what you say whenever i point out a legitimate truth about your nature. It's not like you give any room for doubt Can't blame you, i wouldn't like myself either if i were you. 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Apparently you don't have a clue what I think. All you need to know is that I'm a lefty. You fùcking people are hilarious. You made it quite clear how you feel and what you think. And as is often the case with you when people pointed out you get embarrassed and ashamed. Again, I can't blame you. But you were quite clear after what I said 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Fùck you. Awwww, having a bit of a melt down again. The truth is there for everyone to see kiddo. And it always comes back to the same thing whether we're talking about the attacks on Israel or anything else including the children slaughtered here. You don't care as long as your agenda is forwarded. If that truth hurts you then you need to seriously reconsider what you believe in and who you are as a person 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 14 hours ago, User said: My point is that calling things a military weapon is just silly nonsense. It is a leftist talking point commonly used to make weapons seem unnecessary, as you are doing, because only the military needs that! When, in reality, the military uses lots of common firearms types, there is nothing special about that. The military has a reason for needing an M240G fully automatic machine gun. Just because the military also uses semi-automatic rifles or handguns or shotguns, doesn't mean a civilian does not. The Military also uses shovels and knives, so I guess civilians do not need those either! No, of course not. I highly suggest you just sit there and die, because shooting back at the bad guy would be more bullets flying around. .... There is some stupidity going on here, and it is from people like you. So, are you saying a semi or fully automatic weapon is not a military weapon? What civilian use other than collectors would there be for it? I never once said weapons seem unnecessary. Yes, the military uses a lot of weapon types but...they are the military, not a single mother in a small town or an 18 year old trans person Explain to me when a civilian needs to use a M240G fully automatic machine gun? The military also uses knives and forks to eat ...so I guess civilians do not need those either?? You analogies are pointless. Yup, there is certainly some stupidity going on here, Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
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