Army Guy Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 Now this is something Canada could wrap their minds around...Who would n ot be in favor of this.... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7v07je1119o Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Michael Hardner Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: Now this is something Canada could wrap their minds around...Who would n ot be in favor of this.... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7v07je1119o A lot of the proponents, I'm sure, would like it applied to climate change. Would you like that? It would be banned to say climate change isn't real? 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Politics1990 Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 it would open to many can of worms saying each little thing is a lie 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 26 Author Report Posted January 26 (edited) 6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: A lot of the proponents, I'm sure, would like it applied to climate change. Would you like that? It would be banned to say climate change isn't real? DO you think announcing climate change is real will change how Canadian today feel about the subject...Climate change was once the main headline not only in the media but also from the people, now it barley rates as a concern at all if not at the bottom of the top 5....kind of hard to get behind climate change when 1 in 5 Canadians go to a food bank, and can not afford a home, or rent... Don't get me wrong, i believe that there is some form of climate change...I mean it was behind my decision to put solar in, put in a heat pump, get my house brought up to code for installation....spray foam my basement...and yet of those that say they believe in climate change most have not down anything to improve their climate foot print....Even the government has cut a lot of the programs that would encourage people to put in solar, replace oil furnaces, at one time there was a federal and provincial program...now there are restricted or down graded... SO yes to answer your question i would like that , who would not like the truth come out about everything for all parties in parliament... And we are talking about Politicians...it would be imposable to think this would imply to everyone.. Edited January 26 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 26 Author Report Posted January 26 3 hours ago, Politics1990 said: it would open to many can of worms saying each little thing is a lie How so , have you ever watch CPAC, Most of their time is spent making lies up to cover their accusations, or useless banter back and forth....... .....now they would have to bring in source material that would prove it was nothing but the truth what is wrong with that....remember this applies to ALL parties.. 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
cannuck Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 (edited) 16 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: A lot of the proponents, I'm sure, would like it applied to climate change. Would you like that? It would be banned to say climate change isn't real? It would also become illegal to claim the climate changes we have seen over the last few million years are caused by the energy industry. Now cow farts I will grant you - as we should all be on a plant based diet. Of course this brings up the real problem with an anti-lie law: who is going to determine what version of our world based on total BS is "the truth"? Edited January 26 by cannuck Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 14 minutes ago, cannuck said: It would also become illegal to claim the climate changes we have seen over the last few million years are caused by the energy industry. Now cow farts I will grant you - as we should all be on a plant based diet. Of course this brings up the real problem with an anti-lie law: who is going to determine what version of our world based on total BS is "the truth"? HA HA HA So, becoming a vegan... will prevent cows from farting?? HA HA HA Exactly..... Bill's truth may not be the same as Ann's truth. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Michael Hardner Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: So, becoming a vegan... will prevent cows from farting?? HA HA HA Do you think Farmers would continue to raise cows if everyone was Vegan ? Do you think that Farmers raise cows as pets and only reluctantly send them to slaughter once their kids are ok with it ? Do you think Charlotte's Web is real ? That's SOME pig 2 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 27 minutes ago, cannuck said: It would also become illegal to claim the climate changes we have seen over the last few million years are caused by the energy industry. Would it ? I think that's a bridge too far. Climate Changes are caused by human-created factors, and we're as sure as we can be about that. So could you say it's caused by the CO2 production cycle ? Including supply and demand ? Maybe. We're just playing with ideas though. This wouldn't and probably shouldn't come to pass. 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
ExFlyer Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Do you think Farmers would continue to raise cows if everyone was Vegan ? Do you think that Farmers raise cows as pets and only reluctantly send them to slaughter once their kids are ok with it ? Do you think Charlotte's Web is real ? That's SOME pig HA HA HA...do you think all the cows will die off??? And there were cows (and other mammals that fart) before this Michael...don't be insulting. We all know you are a climate change evangelist but really.....? Edited January 26 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
eyeball Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 57 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: We're just playing with ideas though. This wouldn't and probably shouldn't come to pass. Probably not. The proposal however does shine a light on how serious the issue of public trust and especially it's absence is becoming. We can't live with it and yet we're already well past the point it's costing lives. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Michael Hardner Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: 1. HA HA HA...do you think all the cows will die off??? 2. And there were cows (and other mammals that fart) before this 3. Michael...don't be insulting. We all know you are a climate change evangelist but really.....? 1. Do you think cows are immortal ? Do you think cows just breed when they want to ? 2. Ew 3. I prefer the term 'realist'. 58 minutes ago, eyeball said: 1. ... how serious the issue of public trust and especially it's absence is becoming. 2. We can't live with it and yet we're already well past the point it's costing lives. 1. Oh, for SURE. We're back to the middle ages or earlier. I was thinking last night how we have lost an intellectual class, which is true, but we haven't lost a TRUST class. They're just on the level of wizards and shamans in terms of how much they understand things. 2. Agreed. 2 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
ExFlyer Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 25 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. Do you think cows are immortal ? Do you think cows just breed when they want to ? 2. Ew 3. I prefer the term 'realist' Good grief Michael LOL Yes MIchael,,,, unless we put condoms on bulls, they breed when they want LOL Do you think any species is immortal?? OK, you have a degree in realism with a minor in climatic evangelism. I have read your blog Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
eyeball Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 53 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. Oh, for SURE. We're back to the middle ages or earlier. Especially in terms of the unmitigated nonsense people invent to fill the gaps in their knowledge. 2 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
herbie Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 Funny. Claiming a right to lie under Free speech rights. Quote
eyeball Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 4 minutes ago, herbie said: Funny. Claiming a right to lie under Free speech rights. I can see some kind of measure that holds politicians and parties to better account in the case of specific promises they make when campaigning for election. Perhaps there could be a formal legal definition of the word promise that triggers a requirement to explore potential reasons why they might not be able to keep their promises once elected. In addition to simply keeping voters in the loop, I'm interested in any measures that seek to improve accountability. I think public mistrust is at the root of a lot of the misinformation and confused thinking that's plaguing much of the world - its one of the most dangerous things threatening democracy and civilization. At least the people in the Tower of Babel tried to cooperate. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
cannuck Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 (edited) 23 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Would it ? I think that's a bridge too far. Climate Changes are caused by human-created factors, and we're as sure as we can be about that. playing with ideas though. This wouldn't and probably shouldn't come to pass. We are sure as heck that human created factors CONTRIBUTE to what has always happened and will always continue to happen. Those without the intellectual discipline to learn the science and at least be able to question the blurry status quo will get with the script and claim that our CO2 emissions are the major problem when it is IIRC a distant 3rd ranking on the greenhouse gas list and we can actually accommodate those emissions IF WE STOP KILLING THE PHYTOPLANKTON - that absorb the carbon and release the oxygen. I believe you will remember my reasoning for pointing this out when any occasion is presented. We need to stop listening to the simplistic anti-carbon lobby and get dead serious (before we are dead) about total elimination of plastic waste - and essentially total elimination of plastics. The takeaway from this is simply that demonizing carbon at the expense of fixing the real problem is exactly the kind of institutional lies that could be dangerous to our very survival. Edited January 27 by cannuck Quote
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 17 hours ago, cannuck said: Those without the intellectual discipline to learn the science and at least be able to question the blurry status quo will get with the script and claim that our CO2 emissions are the major problem when it is IIRC a distant 3rd ranking on the greenhouse gas list and we can actually accommodate those emissions IF WE STOP KILLING THE PHYTOPLANKTON - that absorb the carbon and release the oxygen. CO2 is killing phytoplankton too. By trapping heat it's warming the surface leading to stratification and less upwelling of nutrients. CO2 also makes the oceans more acidic and less habitable to phytoplankton. Micro-plastics certainly don't help and if we were using less oil plastic would become more expensive to use. Taxes on its use could drive it's cost even higher leading to less harmful alternatives. And if you think micro-plastic particles in the environment are an issue next up is micro-glass. I think the answer is probably more expensive plastic and glass but with better more intensive recycling. But CO2 definitely has to go. It accounts for 75–80% of global greenhouse gas emissions. It's anything but a distant 3rd on the list of other gases. And number 1 when it comes to killing phytoplankton. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Army Guy Posted January 27 Author Report Posted January 27 2 hours ago, eyeball said: CO2 is killing phytoplankton too. By trapping heat it's warming the surface leading to stratification and less upwelling of nutrients. CO2 also makes the oceans more acidic and less habitable to phytoplankton. Micro-plastics certainly don't help and if we were using less oil plastic would become more expensive to use. Taxes on its use could drive it's cost even higher leading to less harmful alternatives. And if you think micro-plastic particles in the environment are an issue next up is micro-glass. I think the answer is probably more expensive plastic and glass but with better more intensive recycling. But CO2 definitely has to go. It accounts for 75–80% of global greenhouse gas emissions. It's anything but a distant 3rd on the list of other gases. And number 1 when it comes to killing phytoplankton. And yet all of that means nothing if you can't even afford a sandwich...Climate change is not even in the top 8 concerns of Canadians... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 28 minutes ago, Army Guy said: ...Climate change is not even in the top 8 concerns of Canadians... Congratulations! Good job! Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Army Guy Posted January 28 Author Report Posted January 28 16 hours ago, eyeball said: Congratulations! Good job! I'm not taking any credit , just pointing things out that climate change is no longer the top concern for Canadians....apparently eating or paying rent is...Go figure... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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