ExFlyer Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, Barquentine said: Once the Japanese are here, once the Koreans are here, once the Germans are here, once the Mexicans are here, once the Americans are here... According to your argument, we should just stop trading with any country. Brilliant! There is more than just driving Chinese EV's off a boat. They need all the infrastructure to sell and service the vehicles. Dealerships, repair facilities, technicians, parts and service, logistics etc. There will be lots of work for Canadians. American auto manufacturers are closing plants in Canada. Reducing shifts and other disruptions long before this deal came to fruition. "Recent actions by U.S. automakers and associated tariff pressures have resulted in thousands of layoffs in the Canadian auto sector during 2025 and early 2026. Significant recent impacts include up to 12,000 parts industry jobs being affected by Stellantis production pauses in Ontario, alongside thousands of direct assembly jobs at GM and Stellantis" Stellantis (Windsor/Brampton): A two-week shutdown of the Windsor assembly plant in April 2025 idled roughly 4,500 workers. Further, up to 12,000 workers in the broader parts supply chain were estimated to be off the job due to these shutdowns. In late 2025, plans to move some production from Brampton to the U.S. put another 3,000 jobs at risk. General Motors (Oshawa/Ingersoll): GM cut a third shift at its Oshawa plant in early 2025, directly impacting about 750 to 2,000 workers. Additionally, in April 2025, 1,200 workers at the CAMI assembly plant in Ingersoll were laid off. Total Manufacturing Impact: In April 2025 alone, over 30,000 manufacturing jobs were lost in Canada, with economists attributing this directly to U.S. tariff pressures on the auto sector. " No one in Canada is making EV's. Even battery manufacturers have shut down or taken our money and not started. EV sales account for less than 8% of car sales. But...crap all over Carney and a deal for a minuscule amount of EV's from China...the largest EV maker in the world. "China accounts for over 70% of global EV production and a significant majority of global sales, making it the world's largest EV industry." Edited January 19 by ExFlyer 1 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
WestCanMan Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 On 1/18/2026 at 6:00 AM, Barquentine said: 49,000 vehicles = about 2% of auto sales in Canada per year. https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/global-automakers-grab-bigger-chunk-180859091.html "Vehicles made outside North America accounted for 34 per cent of Canadian monthly vehicle sales in August." Who's the threat? I'm not sure what your point is. 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
WestCanMan Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 20 hours ago, CdnFox said: He referred to that as the first round. More will come. And they will be in larger and larger amounts. Please let's not pretend you're dumb enough to think that they're just going to sell this many and that'll be an end to it. Nobody's claiming you're the brightest person on the left but I know you're brighter than that Once the Chinese are here they are here and their vehicles will be sold here in increasing numbers and that absolutely puts severe pressure on the canadian manufacturers. Right. And it's not like a minor thing. It's akin to saying: "Hey honey, your butt is only 2% fatter." What's 2%, right? Just tell her: "Get over it, babe." Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
ExFlyer Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 (edited) 17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: I'm not sure what your point is. Of course you don't LOL 15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Right. And it's not like a minor thing. It's akin to saying: "Hey honey, your butt is only 2% fatter." What's 2%, right? Just tell her: "Get over it, babe." So, it's OK for the American Stellantic to cut "the Windsor assembly plant in April 2025 idled roughly 4,500 workers. Further, up to 12,000 workers in the broader parts supply chain were estimated to be off the job due to these shutdowns." "In late 2025, plans to move some production from Brampton to the U.S. put another 3,000 jobs at risk." "GM cut a third shift at its Oshawa plant in early 2025, directly impacting about 750 to 2,000 workers. Additionally, in April 2025, 1,200 workers at the CAMI assembly plant in Ingersoll were laid off." "recent impacts include up to 12,000 parts industry jobs being affected by Stellantis production pauses in Ontario, alongside thousands of direct assembly jobs at GM and Stellantis" Oh and "General Motors (GM) ended production of its BrightDrop electric delivery vans at the CAMI Assembly plant in Ingersoll, Ontario, in late 2025" losing 1000 jobs. And you are worried about 48K EV's coming to Canada and the Chinese having to hire Canadians to build dealerships, sell cars ,maintain them and provide infrastructure and logistics for those vehicles?? Edited January 19 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
John Stone Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 What's the threat? Ever heard of the 'nose of the camel' Canada (or the U.S.) will never be able to compete with Chinese manufacturing economics. It IS good news for the consumer - no question - cheap, quality E.V. It is bad for Canadian auto production (jobs) but especially those spin off numbers. China will always have the whip hand - product cost dictates that the vehicles must be assembled / manufactured in Asia. China does want the market - but for them the politics is what really matters ......... political clout - ur seeing it demonstrated with Carney recently. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted January 19 Author Report Posted January 19 51 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Of course you don't LOL Largelybecause you don't have one Quote So, it's OK for the American Stellantic to cut "the Windsor assembly plant in April 2025 idled roughly 4,500 workers. Further, up to 12,000 workers in the broader parts supply chain were estimated to be off the job due to these shutdowns." No it isn't. And that's the point, allowing these vehicles in will lead to more cuts like that. Do you think American Automotive makers are going to flock to return to Canada in the face of Chinese competition? This deal makes the situation worse. There's going to be more Stelantics As a result of this not fewer How do you not get that? 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: Largelybecause you don't have one No it isn't. And that's the point, allowing these vehicles in will lead to more cuts like that. Do you think American Automotive makers are going to flock to return to Canada in the face of Chinese competition? This deal makes the situation worse. There's going to be more Stelantics As a result of this not fewer How do you not get that? Don't have what?? EV? You are right, I don't have one. Issue all the whining is about is the EV's from China....seems that is more of a problem for some on here than the American car makers killing Canadian jobs. The cuts happened and were planned long before the EV deal. The deal will bring jobs to Canada...just in the building of infrastructure to sell, maintain and provide logistics for the EV's. And as important, it brings back agriculture and aquaculture sales to the biggest buyer where there are a lot more workers than in the auto industry Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted January 19 Author Report Posted January 19 33 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Don't have what?? A point. Which should have been obvious. I guess you don't have an attention span either. Basically you're a goldfish 33 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: seems that is more of a problem for some on here than the American car makers killing Canadian jobs. It's going to lead to american car makers killing Canadian jobs. That's what people are complaining about. Nobody is specifically unhappy that there will be Chinese cars on our roads, it's that the presence of those Chinese cars and the ones to come we'll have a strong impact on the auto sector in Canada. That's why Doug Ford is screaming. The counter argument being put forward isn't that it won't kill jobs, it's that we were probably going to lose those jobs anyway maybe Please explain to me how you get this dumb. The whole freaking point is that it's going to cost Canadian jobs because American automakers can't compete with Chinese prices because they're subsidized so they won't build here. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: A point. Which should have been obvious. I guess you don't have an attention span either. Basically you're a goldfish It's going to lead to american car makers killing Canadian jobs. That's what people are complaining about. .... That's why Doug Ford is screaming. The counter argument being put forward isn't that it won't kill jobs, it's that we were probably going to lose those jobs anyway maybe Please explain to me how you get this dumb. The whole freaking point is that it's going to cost Canadian jobs because American automakers can't compete with Chinese prices because they're subsidized so they won't build here. Insulting gets you no credibility. As opposed to what they are already doing?? The automakers are already killing jobs and have done so. The Chinese cars are not even here. What is more important... the workers and jobs lost in agriculture and aquaculture in the prairies and coasts or those in Ontario in the auto sector? There are more jobs in agriculture and aquaculture than the auto sector Edited January 19 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
WestCanMan Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 9 hours ago, CdnFox said: Do you think American Automotive makers are going to flock to return to Canada in the face of Chinese competition?This deal makes the situation worse. There's going to be more Stelantics As a result of this not fewer Trump wants Carney to push ahead with the China deal because he knows what it will mean to Americans, especially those who are close to the auto industry. This is a propaganda bonanza for anyone in the US who wants to take auto any manufacturing jobs away from Canada and move them south. 9 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Issue all the whining is about is the EV's from China....seems that is more of a problem for some on here than the American car makers killing Canadian jobs. Think about how happy the average leftist would be if we started buying cars from Russia right now. Then multiply that by 10. That's how happy Americans are with Chinese vehicles coming to NA. 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
cougar Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 Can't figure our what any of you are talking about......... If the States want to take the auto industry out of Canada, then probably there is close to nothing we can do. It is American technology and most likely American equipment set up to manufacture American cars that we probably want less of right now. How do you change those production lines to start making Subaru's , Toyota's, Mitsubishi or maybe Mercedes and BMW? It may be a case that the only thing that can stay unchanged is the buildings - all equipment inside may have to go, if not already removed by the Americans. And they may have ownership of the buildings too, who knows? I did say it many times and will say it again - Canada has been a developing country, because it does not develop in the high tech sector and strive to manufacture high quality goods. It relies on exporting its raw resources and for this reason is now at the mercy of those who can manufacture. We may really be at a crossroads - become a real banana republic or be taken over my an imperial power that rivals Nazi Germany and be part of it. For the average person there is likely to be no difference - one set of crooks on top being replaced by a set of even bigger crooks. However we are all going to be despised internationally and no longer safe when traveling to other countries. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 9 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Insulting gets you no credibility. ROFLMAO!!!! Are you kidding me? You are the guy who will spend 17 pages insulting people because they disagreed with him. You spent three weeks posting ass p*** as you are every reply to me because you were upset that I disagreed with you. 90% of your posts on this forum are nothing but insult. Did the doctor change your medication today or something? Or did you just finally hit puberty? Quote As opposed to what they are already doing?? More like exacerbating with her already doing. This will be my third time explaining this to you. It would really help if you could pay attention. The car industry in Canada is already under extreme pressure because of the actions of the Americans and Donald Trump. We have already seen some closures and there are concerns that there may be more. This deal makes that situation worse. It accelerates that problem. It will speed up the deterioration and eventual collapse of the automotive industry in Ontario. It will make it very hard for the industry to remain afloat, more so than was already the case. It is taken a bad situation and made it worse. Surely that's clear enough for you and I won't have to repeat it a fourth time 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Barquentine Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 19 hours ago, WestCanMan said: I'm not sure what your point is. I can't (won't) dumb it down any more for you. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 (edited) 9 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Trump wants Carney t..... Think about how happy the average leftist would be if we started buying cars from Russia right now. Then multiply that by 10. That's how happy Americans are with Chinese vehicles coming to NA. Huh??? Russia? By 10??? Who cares and why should we care what Americans think?? The auto sector is big in Ontario but the agriculture sector is bigger in the remainder of Canada and the aquaculture sector is also huge in Canada. Canada is not just Ontario. Edited January 20 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 (edited) 9 hours ago, CdnFox said: ROFLMAO!!!! Are you kidding me? You are the guy who will spend 17 pages insulting people because they disagreed with him. You spent three weeks posting ass p*** as you are every reply to me because you were upset that I disagreed with you. 90% of your posts on this forum are nothing but insult. Did the doctor change your medication today or something? Or did you just finally hit puberty? More like exacerbating with her already doing. T... Yup...typical confux...insulting and demeaning and narrow minded. Fully expected from a LOSER When the first paragraph is all insult..if there is more, it goes unread.. LOSER!!!! LOL LOL LOL Edited January 20 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 19 hours ago, CdnFox said: Largelybecause you don't have one No it isn't. And that's the point, allowing these vehicles in will lead to more cuts like that. Do you think American Automotive makers are going to flock to return to Canada in the face of Chinese competition? This deal makes the situation worse. There's going to be more Stelantics As a result of this not fewer How do you not get that? I do have a point and it is that American auto makers are already and have been cutting jobs and closing plants in Ontario. Also, we do not make EV's in Canada and Brightdrop plant closed...killing 1000 jobs Nope, they were never coming back regardless if we brought in Chinese vehicles or not. Trump has threatened the automakers and does not care about Canada or Mexico and yes, there will be more closures and that is anticipated no matter if we bring in Chinese vehicles or not. Carney helped farmers and fishermen in Canada which are greater numbers than the auto sector in Ontario. Seems it is you that does not get it. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 8 hours ago, cougar said: Can't figure our what any of you are talking about......... If the States want to take the auto industry out of Canada, then probably there is close to nothing we can do. It is American technology and most likely American equipment set up to manufacture American cars that we probably want less of right now. How do you change those production lines to start making Subaru's , Toyota's, Mitsubishi or maybe Mercedes and BMW? It may be a case that the only thing that can stay unchanged is the buildings - all equipment inside may have to go, if not already removed by the Americans. And they may have ownership of the buildings too, who knows? I did say it many times and will say it again - Canada has been a developing country, because it does not develop in the high tech sector and strive to manufacture high quality goods. It relies on exporting its raw resources and for this reason is now at the mercy of those who can manufacture. We may really be at a crossroads - become a real banana republic or be taken over my an imperial power that rivals Nazi Germany and be part of it. For the average person there is likely to be no difference - one set of crooks on top being replaced by a set of even bigger crooks. However we are all going to be despised internationally and no longer safe when traveling to other countries. I agree with everything you say except "we are all going to be despised internationally and no longer safe when traveling to other countries". We will be safe and we will be respected and can safely travel anywhere except for maybe American controlled places. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
WestCanMan Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 2 hours ago, Barquentine said: I can't (won't) dumb it down any more for you. Your point was neither here nor there. It doesn't address the central issue of allowing Chinese EV's into the market. If you take the phone number of a girl you meet does it mean that you're gonna have kids with her? You have hundreds of phone numbers in your cell phone: what difference does it make if you have one more? Why would your wife be mad? You have no idea how protective Americans are of their economy. And the Japanese. Economics is war. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
CdnFox Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 14 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Trump wants Carney to push ahead with the China deal because he knows what it will mean to Americans, especially those who are close to the auto industry. This is a propaganda bonanza for anyone in the US who wants to take auto any manufacturing jobs away from Canada and move them south. And it indirectly promotes his narrative that the artic sea isn't safe in the hands of greenland and canada. 5 hours ago, Barquentine said: I can't (won't) dumb it down any more for you. Oh i think you've reached 'peak dumb' already what he's asking is for you to clearly articulate your point. Go on. Use your words. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Yup...typical confux...insulting and demeaning and narrow minded. LOL kid nobody had respect for you around here before, but i think you've crossed into a whole new world of hypocrisy and hilarity Oh and complaining about someone insulting you while using an insult in the same sentence is pretty much admitting your iq is in the low double digits I've always told you, you get treated as you treat others kiddo 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
paxamericana Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 On 1/17/2026 at 3:39 PM, Zeitgeist said: He said it in a very ominous way too, like he wanted everyone to hear it and perhaps even to worry about it, which immediately made him look like a nervous Eisenhower warning the public about the military industrial complex while he still had a platform to do so. I can’t help but think that he knows a hard rain’s gonna fall. We call this the deep state in America Quote
CdnFox Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I do have a point and it is that American auto makers are already and have been cutting jobs and closing plants in Ontario. That's not much of a point considering everyone else is saying the same and just noting that this will make it worse. I think it's universally accepted that the auto industry is going to take a massive hit and probably will never be what it once was. But we may well have salvaged something and maybe rebuilt that over time once trump is gone. However, this will make it worse and reduce the chances of ever building it back up. The chinese will never invest in automotive manufacturing in canada, at best we might get some parts manufacturing or a bit of final assembly or the like. There's just not enough of a market here. Other companies do it because they can sell cars made here in the us and china's cars aren't allowed. So if your only point was everyone else is right... well thanks i guess? Butt why are you arguing then? Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Also, we do not make EV's in Canada and Brightdrop plant closed...killing 1000 jobs HOW ARE YOU THIS STUPID?!?!!? WE MAKE LOTS OF EV'S! Google AI: Canada is rapidly becoming a hub for electric vehicle (EV) manufacturing, with significant investments from major automakers and a growing number of electrified vehicle models produced domestically. Current Manufacturing Landscape Major Manufacturers: Several key players are involved in EV manufacturing in Canada, including Stellantis, Honda, Toyota, and Ford. For instance, Stellantis is producing the Chrysler Grand Caravan and Pacifica, with plans to manufacture the fully electric Dodge Charger Daytona at its Brampton, Ontario plant. Honda is also making significant strides with a $15 billion investment to build an electric vehicle battery plant next to its Alliston facility. 2 Investment and Expansion: The Canadian government and various automakers are investing heavily in EV manufacturing. For example, Ford is establishing a $1.2 billion battery materials plant in Quebec, while Volkswagen plans a $7 billion battery plant in Ontario, expected to produce batteries for up to one million vehicles annually. Additionally, Northvolt is set to build a $7 billion gigafactory for EV batteries near Montreal, which will significantly boost local production capabilities. 1 Government Support: The Canadian government is actively supporting the EV sector through funding and initiatives aimed at promoting clean technologies. Recent investments include up to $169.4 million in Linamar Corporation to enhance EV parts manufacturing and semiconductor technologies, which are crucial for battery efficiency. 1 3 Sources Future Outlook The combination of government support, significant investments from automakers, and a focus on sustainable technologies positions Canada as a potential leader in the global EV market. The ongoing developments in battery manufacturing and the establishment of new production facilities are expected to create thousands of jobs and contribute to the country's transition to a net-zero economy. www.canada.ca In summary, Canada is witnessing a robust growth in EV manufacturing, driven by substantial investments, government initiatives, and the commitment of major automotive companies to electrify their production lines. This trend is likely to continue as the demand for electric vehicles increases globally. Motor Illustrated 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
cougar Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 On 1/17/2026 at 4:54 AM, Barquentine said: You're reduced to pathetically grasping at straws. So sad. He's always been that. 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I agree with everything you say except "we are all going to be despised internationally and no longer safe when traveling to other countries". We will be safe and we will be respected and can safely travel anywhere except for maybe American controlled places. What I meant was travelling as newly fledged Americans under an American passport and flag. That will be both humiliating and unsafe. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 4 minutes ago, cougar said: He's always been that. LOL too scared to talk to me directly are you kiddo? 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
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