Are we witnessing the same thing as the Nazi Brown Shirts in 1930s Germany?

[West]

Just now, eyeball said:

So again I ask, why don't us lefties just go rape and murder people ourselves, especially if we know we'll be allowed to go and rape and murder more people immediately?

Why do we need immigrants? It makes no sense...there wouldn't be enough victims to go around.

 

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, West said:

 

Okay, but what about all the lefties who do this? When do we start rounding them up? Seems to me we must outnumber illegal immigrants by 100's or 1000's to 1.

[West]

Just now, eyeball said:

Okay, but what about all the lefties who do this? When do we start rounding them up? Seems to me we must outnumber illegal immigrants by 100's or 1000's to 1.

My beef is more your enablement

[eyeball]

34 minutes ago, West said:

My beef is more your enablement

Why isn't that enough to start rounding up lefties as well?  I've been listening to you people whine about our enabling commies, nazis, terrorists and anti-semites ever since I was a kid too.

Am I to believe we've finally arrived at the point you people are willing to do something about all this?

You might want to think about getting out there in the streets with ICE then because they're only going after the low hanging fruit - you need to kill the tree if not the forest its hanging from.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, West said:

 

The truth is the Trump MAGA are using this army to remove hundreds of thousands of undocumented migrants, even if they have worked in the U.S. for ten or twenty years and had some kind of papers.  Most of these people are not the kind of criminals you are claiming.  That is just a smokescreen claim.

You have a vast number of fascist-leaning people in the U.S. going after these undocumented migrants under the false claim that they are all criminals.  This has more to do with American style politics than anything else.  By sending all these masked men into the streets with the deliberate plan to stir up strife and protests, it serves the Admin's purpose politically.  That's the name of the game.

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[West]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The truth is the Trump MAGA are using this army to remove hundreds of thousands of undocumented migrants, even if they have worked in the U.S. for ten or twenty years and had some kind of papers.  Most of these people are not the kind of criminals you are claiming.  That is just a smokescreen claim.

You have a vast number of fascist-leaning people in the U.S. going after these undocumented migrants under the false claim that they are all criminals.  This has more to do with American style politics than anything else.  By sending all these masked men into the streets with the deliberate plan to stir up strife and protests, it serves the Admin's purpose politically.  That's the name of the game.

Why are you defending rapists, murderers and pedophiles?

[blackbird]

Just now, West said:

Why are you defending rapists, murderers and pedophiles?

Did you read what I said.  Most of the people they are arresting and deporting are not rapists, murderers and pedophiles.  Sure, a small percentage might be and they should be deported.  But the vast majority are not criminals.  You and the gang you support are lying.

[West]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Did you read what I said.  Most of the people they are arresting and deporting are not rapists, murderers and pedophiles.  Sure, a small percentage might be and they should be deported.  But the vast majority are not criminals.  You and the gang you support are lying.

I posted this earlier. These are the folks that wokeys are protecting by interfering in ICE raids

 

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, West said:

Why are you defending rapists, murderers and pedophiles?

Why are you not arresting the millions of lefties who enable these?

You do realize you're accusing us of complicity right? This is a very serious crime that people normally get thrown in jail for often as long as the perpetrators are.

Your inaction in the face of all the rape and murder you're alleging is what's really enabling.

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, West said:

I posted this earlier. These are the folks that wokeys are protecting by interfering in ICE raids

 

Then round up all the wokeys and have them charged with conspiracy to commit murder and rape.

[West]

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Why are you not arresting the millions of lefties who enable these?

You do realize you're accusing us of complicity right? This is a very serious crime that people normally get thrown in jail for often as long as the perpetrators are.

Your inaction in the face of all the rape and murder you're alleging is what's really enabling.

Im not out there intimidating ICE for defending the US against "transnational crime" or "illicit activity including narcotics smuggling, human trafficking, gang violence, money laundering and other financial crimes, intellectual property theft, and customs fraud."

https://www.ice.gov/mission

Duh

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[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, West said:

Im not out there intimidating ICE for defending the US against "transnational crime" 

No, you should be out there in a melee with lefties that are enabling all the rapists and murderer's ICE is after. ICE has its hands full just dealing with 11 million criminals.

As for the vastly larger numbers of enablers it'll take nothing less than civil war.

You figure an x on a ballot will cut it? That's how we got here.

[West]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

No, you should be out there in a melee with lefties that are enabling all the rapists and murderer's ICE is after. ICE has its hands full just dealing with 11 million criminals.

As for the vastly larger numbers of enablers it'll take nothing less than civil war.

You figure an x on a ballot will cut it? That's how we got here.

What a dumb comment. 

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, West said:

What a dumb comment. 

In what way is it dumb?

Compared to User saying the left want's lawlessness that results in rape and murder - that you say we're enabling?

You don't think enabling a criminal act is the same as being complicit in it?

What about standing there with your thumb up your ass while it's happening, that isn't enabling?

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[West]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

In what way is it dumb?

Compared to User saying the left want's lawlessness that results in rape and murder - that you say we're enabling?

You don't think enabling a criminal act is the same as being complicit in it?

What about standing there with your thumb up your ass while it's happening, that isn't enabling?

You don't think ICE should act on warrants against things like transnational organized crime, money laundering, heinous sex crimes including cross boarder child sex trafficking, etc? 

Why? Because your brainwashed to attack whomever CNN tells you to? 

Are you out there blocking the execution of warrants? No? Then why are you getting so defensive? 

Edited January 11 by West

[User]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Who the fùck told you that and why the fùck would you believe it? WTF is wrong with you?

You tell us this with your shit posting on here every day. 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, West said:

I posted this earlier. These are the folks that wokeys are protecting by interfering in ICE raids

 

You are like a stubborn kid.  You don't pay attention.  Your post is just a tiny number of the undocumented migrants.  Most are not criminals.

[West]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You are like a stubborn kid.  You don't pay attention.  Your post is just a tiny number of the undocumented migrants.  Most are not criminals.

Stats please. I looked at their website and appears their primary focus is transnational and heinous crime

[User]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You are like a stubborn kid.  You don't pay attention.  Your post is just a tiny number of the undocumented migrants.  Most are not criminals.

The point was not how many... it is that these are the people ICE was deporting and people like you oppose that, which means you want those criminal illegal immigrants in the community, and to my point, you don't give a shit how many are raped or murdered because of it. 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, User said:

The point was not how many... it is that these are the people ICE was deporting and people like you oppose that, which means you want those criminal illegal immigrants in the community, and to my point, you don't give a shit how many are raped or murdered because of it. 

Again you are lying.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, West said:

Stats please. I looked at their website and appears their primary focus is transnational and heinous crime

"The scapegoating of ethnic and religious minorities is well-tread historical ground in the United States, and immigrants have always made for an easy target. Chinese,1 Irish,2 Italian,3 Muslim,4 Mexican5 — all these people and more have been falsely accused of bringing crime into the United States, particularly during times of economic or political unease. Today, some politicians are peddling the same, tired myth, this time of a “migrant crime surge” among immigrants who recently arrived in the country. However, a robust body of research shows that welcoming immigrants into American communities not only does not increase crime, but can actually strengthen public safety. In fact, immigrants — including undocumented immigrants — are less likely to commit crimes than the U.S.-born. This is true at the national, state, county, and neighborhood levels, and for both violent and non-violent crime."

"In 1980, immigrants made up 6.2% of the U.S. population, and the total crime rate was 5,900 crimes per 100,000 people. By 2022, the share of immigrants had more than doubled, to 13.9%, while the total crime rate had dropped by 60.4%"

"Immigrants Are Arrested and Jailed Less Often than the U.S.-Born Further supporting the research that immigrants do not raise crime rates is the data showing that immigrants have lower felony arrest rates27 and lower incarceration rates than the U.S.-born.28 Immigrants have had lower incarceration rates than the U.S.-born for each of the last 150 years. And today, immigrants are 60 percent less likely to be incarcerated than those who were born in the United States.29 False claims may succeed in stoking fear of undocumented immigrants, but research has consistently shown that undocumented immigrants are far less likely to be arrested for felony and violent offenses, including homicide, than are U.S.-born residents. A CATO Institute analysis of crime rates in Texas between 2013 and 2022, for example, found that undocumented immigrants were 26 percent less likely than the U.S.-born to be convicted of homicide.30 According to a multi-year study of crime statistics published by the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, undocumented immigrants are roughly half as likely to be arrested for violent crimes as the U.S.-born.31 Things like employment and social support are typically correlated with lower crime rates, and immigrants in the United States may benefit from these factors. For instance, among those Americans with lower levels of education, immigrants are more likely to be employed than the U.S.-born. Immigrants are also more likely to be married and have children.32 These factors could help explain why immigrants are less likely to commit crimes."

"The research is clear: immigrants — including undocumented immigrants — do not bring crime. Yet the myth continues to be leveraged to justify harsh enforcement policies that offer no discernible reduction in crime. This does real harm to immigrants and to the communities they live in, and it detracts attention from actual sources of crime. These enforcement practices, and the rhetoric that surround them, effectively dehumanize and criminalize immigrants, leading to social isolation,41 mental and physical stress,42 distrust of law enforcement, and a compromised sense of safety,43 all of which threaten to undermine the kind of healthy social support that has been found to reduce crime. Repeating the myth only allows policymakers to ignore the larger structural factors that actually have shown to affect crime, such as unemployment, housing insecurity, economic instability, and a lack of community-based organizations and public services.44 Strong social ties, robust community programs, and healthy economies have long been known to help keep crime rates down. By welcoming immigrants, rather than fearing them, communities have already shown that they can further lower their crime rates."

debunking_the_myth_of_immigrants_and_crime.pdf

 

 

 

Edited January 11 by blackbird

[West]

[User]

35 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Again you are lying.

About what?

 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, West said:

You don't think ICE should act on warrants against things like transnational organized crime, money laundering, heinous sex crimes including cross boarder child sex trafficking, etc? 

Why? Because your brainwashed to attack whomever CNN tells you to? 

No, I have no issue with ICE going after these. The only reason you would imagine I wouldn't is because someone lit you up with gas.

5 hours ago, West said:

Are you out there blocking the execution of warrants? No? Then why are you getting so defensive? 

Because they often execute these warrants against families with the same sort of extreme prejudice usually reserved for organized child sex traffickers.

The fact this is what you MAGA arseholes want them to do makes it especially offensive that they do. They're an absolute disgrace. It's no wonder they wear masks, their mothers would be ashamed of them.

[bush_cheney2004]

42 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Because they often execute these warrants against families with the same sort of extreme prejudice usually reserved for organized child sex traffickers.

 

Not sure what you mean...felony warrants are executed with the same "prejudice" even against citizens absent sex offenses.   Police stop citizens every day with hands on detentions, chemical agents, searches, physical restraints, etc.  Why would ICE be more gentle with "family" members who are in the U.S. illegally, committed crimes, and/or ignored removal orders from a court?

 

Edited January 11 by bush_cheney2004