Is the CBC a Legitimate News Channel

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Well it bloody well should be.

It should not. We have a representational democracy and not a democracy for a reason.

You don't even support voting, now you're pitching direct democracy???

[CdnFox]

51 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Bribery is a crime. How come no one has been investigated, charged, prosecuted or convicted of this?

 

The RCMP said that they asked the gov't and they weren't sure, that apperently it's not a crime when it's a liberal prime minister. 

Not even kidding, posted all those stories for you before.  A PM can accept bribes according to the cops  So nope, not a crime 

And then you voted for him again anyway so with a new mandate nobody could really say anything 

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You don't even support voting, now you're pitching direct democracy???

Duh...because it allows for more voting.

No, I don't support only voting once every 4-5 years. It's not enough and I want more opportunities. I'd even be willing to fight a war over it.

[eyeball]

29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The RCMP said that they asked the gov't and they weren't sure, that apperently it's not a crime when it's a liberal prime minister. 

Not even kidding, posted all those stories for you before.  A PM can accept bribes according to the cops  So nope, not a crime 

But you also bragged that Harper fixed all this.

32 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And then you voted for him again anyway so with a new mandate nobody could really say anything

Even if I had that's no excuse for not having enduring constitutionally entrenched laws that protect the electorate from the elected.

In any case I only vote Khmer Orange or Green depending on my mood.

 

[User]

48 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Well what's to lose then?

2. That's the problem.  We all decide for ourselves but officially... there's no way to do it satisfactorily.

3. No, I know what I saw.  The Rebel video was cut off, and didn't show the full story.  

Keep defending them if you want.  I prefer accountability.

1. I am not the one threatening to put you on ignore, or ever putting you on ignore, or generally ignoring you. I am merely pointing out that this ruse of yours to have a deal was already agreed to once before and you are still here playing the same dumb games. 

So, it is not about me losing on anything or not. If you want to stop playing games, stop. 

2. Except, you are saying they need to go away. How? Like, you want the government to intervene? 

3. What did you see? Elaborate. Which video was cut off? Elaborate. You still have not even confirmed if its the video I specifically called out or some other one. If its the one I called out, the only one I know of that even comes close to what you are dishonestly characterizing, then there is enough video to clearly show what happened and your absurd and dishonest characterization that he was sent to charge security is bogus. 

You say it is not the full story. OK, so what is the full story then? Elaborate. 

I am defending the truth here from your dishonesty. Nothing more, nothing less. 

I watched Rebel News a lot during the COVID lockdowns because they exposed the corruption of the government in Australia and the police abuse and hypocrisy of enforcement laws, as the police routinely targeted Avi Yemeni wrongly. He would go to a protest and he would be the one that got arrested when he was doing little more than covering it as a journalist like anyone else in media might.

I occasionaly see some of their other videos that go viral, like the one you are likely talking about in Canada, where their reporter was harmlessly walking down the sidewalk asking questions of a politician and barely bumped into the security detail that walked out in front of him from behind a pole when he was looking away. 

They then manhandled him and dragged him away arresting him for assault on a police officer, charges that were dropped. Obviously. 

So again, tell us this full story of whatever incident you are talking about. Lets see it. Lets see you engage in a fact based manner defending your assertions. If you can. 

[Legato]

54 minutes ago, User said:

1. I am not the one threatening to put you on ignore, or ever putting you on ignore, or generally ignoring you. I am merely pointing out that this ruse of yours to have a deal was already agreed to once before and you are still here playing the same dumb games. 

So, it is not about me losing on anything or not. If you want to stop playing games, stop. 

2. Except, you are saying they need to go away. How? Like, you want the government to intervene? 

3. What did you see? Elaborate. Which video was cut off? Elaborate. You still have not even confirmed if its the video I specifically called out or some other one. If its the one I called out, the only one I know of that even comes close to what you are dishonestly characterizing, then there is enough video to clearly show what happened and your absurd and dishonest characterization that he was sent to charge security is bogus. 

You say it is not the full story. OK, so what is the full story then? Elaborate. 

I am defending the truth here from your dishonesty. Nothing more, nothing less. 

I watched Rebel News a lot during the COVID lockdowns because they exposed the corruption of the government in Australia and the police abuse and hypocrisy of enforcement laws, as the police routinely targeted Avi Yemeni wrongly. He would go to a protest and he would be the one that got arrested when he was doing little more than covering it as a journalist like anyone else in media might.

I occasionaly see some of their other videos that go viral, like the one you are likely talking about in Canada, where their reporter was harmlessly walking down the sidewalk asking questions of a politician and barely bumped into the security detail that walked out in front of him from behind a pole when he was looking away. 

They then manhandled him and dragged him away arresting him for assault on a police officer, charges that were dropped. Obviously. 

So again, tell us this full story of whatever incident you are talking about. Lets see it. Lets see you engage in a fact based manner defending your assertions. If you can. 

How dare you usurp the imagery of his imaginary world.

[Michael Hardner]

55 minutes ago, User said:

1. ... you are still here playing the same dumb games. 

... If you want to stop playing games, stop. 

2. Except, you are saying they need to go away. How? Like, you want the government to intervene? 

3. What did you see? Elaborate. Which video was cut off? Elaborate. You still have not even confirmed if its the video I specifically called out or some other one. If its the one I called out, the only one I know of that even comes close to what you are dishonestly characterizing, then there is enough video to clearly show what happened and your absurd and dishonest characterization that he was sent to charge security is bogus. 

You say it is not the full story. OK, so what is the full story then? Elaborate. 

4. I am defending the truth here from your dishonesty. Nothing more, nothing less. 

 

1. I absolutely deny playing games. 

2. I just would like people to be less angry and more rational, on all sides, when they look at issues.  That's my preferred way for such things to decline out of existence, and that has happened in the past a few times. 

3. Okay well maybe I did something wrong there. I watched the first bit of the video that you posted but not the whole thing. The one I saw looked a lot more like he ran out of vehicle that was holding the Prime Minister and the security people went after him.  So I will admit I didn't give the rebel video a full viewing and that wasn't fair. 

4. I deny acting in a dishonest way. 

I'll go back and see if there is something else on the video that I missed.

[Legato]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Goalposts...

Now you have 4 sets. Do try to not use them all in one post.

[Michael Hardner]

Full video of the incident, however it shot by The Rebel and the camera is pointed away from the reporter When the incident occurs ... 5:20.

 

[User]

12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Full video of the incident, however it shot by The Rebel and the camera is pointed away from the reporter When the incident occurs ... 5:20.

This is even worse for you. This wasn't even the incident I was thinking of; he was just standing around in this one. 

You asserted he was sent to charge security. So... where does the video show that? The security detail grabbed him, pushed him, and continued to shove him into the wall.  Where do you get the motive that he was sent to charge security?

Then they let him go and walked away. 

No charges. Nothing. 

Then you sit here saying Rebel News was wrong?

I guess you now support the government security details of the Prime Minister having zero accountability and getting to manhandle and assault people standing on the sidewalk?

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, User said:

1. This is even worse for you. This wasn't even the incident I was thinking of; he was just standing around in this one. 

2. You asserted he was sent to charge security. So... where does the video show that? The security detail grabbed him, pushed him, and continued to shove him into the wall.  Where do you get the motive that he was sent to charge security?

Then they let him go and walked away. 

No charges. Nothing. 

3. Then you sit here saying Rebel News was wrong?

4. I guess you now support the government security details of the Prime Minister having zero accountability and getting to manhandle and assault people standing on the sidewalk?

 

 

1. Ok well then that's the discrepancy.  That reporter has been involved in a few similar incidents, where he's been charged with breaking the piece, etc.  

Personally, I get suspicious of such things.

2. No evidence either way on that clip.

3. I saw a different perspective than what I just posted. But again, it might even be a different incident from the same guy. 

4. No, I do not.

 

[User]

22 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Ok well then that's the discrepancy.  That reporter has been involved in a few similar incidents, where he's been charged with breaking the piece, etc.  

Personally, I get suspicious of such things.

2. No evidence either way on that clip.

3. I saw a different perspective than what I just posted. But again, it might even be a different incident from the same guy. 

4. No, I do not.

 

You are missing the whole point, so let me narrow it back down for you:

You asserted he was sent to charge security. So... where does the video show that? The security detail grabbed him, pushed him, and continued to shove him into the wall.  Where do you get the motive that he was sent to charge security?

If you are now saying, oh well, the video clip doesn't show what you said it did, then you admit you were wrong and then what was the whole point of this exercise of yours in pushing and continuing to push your wrong view that is not supported?

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Duh...because it allows for more voting.

 

Soooo,,,,,  voting does no good at all in your opinion so therefore MOAR voting is somehow effective. 

You're a twat  

And direct democracy is generally speaking a bad idea. Direct democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.  Even if you think at first that your friends will benefit more than anyone else, in the long run someone will abuse it and the worm turns and suddenly the very people you want to support will suffer. 

Imagine a major terrorist attack in canada by a group associated with palestine followed by a direct vote on whether we should bad all palestinians from canada and financially support any war israel wants to wage against them. 

You'd be screaming about how unfair the system is. Considering our gov't has the power to set aside charter rights if it feels there's public support for it, the potential for harm is through the roof. 

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Duh...because it allows for more voting.

No, I don't support only voting once every 4-5 years. It's not enough and I want more opportunities. I'd even be willing to fight a war over it.

Well i vote you can't have it.  Sorry, tie goes to status quo so.. you lose. 

Enjoying it so far?  

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

But you also bragged that Harper fixed all this.

 

I have never done that at all. Ever   

I said harper made some changes and Trudeau got caught with those changes. You claimed harper SHOULD have fixed all this and I pointed out to you that it is not possible for a government to pass a law that another government can't undo and most of harpers fixes were undone by Trudeau.

Sorry kid, you can't blame Harper for Trudeau's crimes. If you don't like the corruption in the crimes you shouldn't have kept voting for him

[Michael Hardner]

10 hours ago, User said:

 
1. You asserted he was sent to charge security. So... where does the video show that?

2. The security detail grabbed him, pushed him, and continued to shove him into the wall.  Where do you get the motive that he was sent to charge security?

3. If you are now saying, oh well, the video clip doesn't show what you said it did, then you admit you were wrong and then what was the whole point of this exercise of yours in pushing and continuing to push your wrong view that is not supported?

1. I don't have it.  It was either a different camera shot of the same incident, or a different incident.

2. From that other video. 

3. I'm not saying I was wrong, I just say that I don't have video evidence. Whatever video I saw, I can't find now. 

I would say that there is evidence that this reporter, or so-called reporter, gets arrested regularly for these kind of agitations, such as disturbing, the peace or violating peace Bond.  And then he reports on it.  I can't think of another legitimate press vehicle that does that.

[eyeball]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Soooo,,,,,  voting does no good at all in your opinion so therefore MOAR voting is somehow effective. 

You're a twat

Yes voting more often would be more effective. Voting once in a blue moon does little to no good.

You're a cùnt.

 

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I have never done that at all. Ever   

Sure kid.

[User]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I don't have it.  It was either a different camera shot of the same incident, or a different incident.

2. From that other video. 

So… why did you share the video you did if you are now going to claim you don’t even know if it was even the incident you are talking about?

This is YOUR argument and YOUR claim about Rebel News, and you can’t back it up with anything. 
 

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

 

3. I'm not saying I was wrong, I just say that I don't have video evidence. Whatever video I saw, I can't find now. 

Again, you tried to share a video to support your claims, but now that you have been called out you balk and say it is some other video.

What other video?

See, once again, you play games. 

Let’s face it, you were wrong. Why not just own up to that?

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I would say that there is evidence that this reporter, or so-called reporter, gets arrested regularly for these kind of agitations, such as disturbing, the peace or violating peace Bond.  And then he reports on it.  I can't think of another legitimate press vehicle that does that.

Let’s play your game. Define regularly. Hell, can you even produce one example to support your assertions here? 
 

The guys “agitations” are little more than being annoying by asking questions. You know, things journalists do.

You now say he was disturbing the peace. A new argument. Give an example, because these are the incidents I was talking about with folks like Avi where they go to a protest to report, but because the police and other countries do not support free speech like America does, they get arrested because how dare they ask protestors difficult questions because then the protestors get upset and try to attack them. 
 

Instead of arresting the protesters for engaging in violence, they preemptively arrest Rebel news reporters for stuff like breaching the peace, and most times, if not all, those charges are dropped or beaten in court.

The police don’t care, they get away with silencing Rebel news, just like the prime ministers security detail gets away with pushing David into a wall. 

[Scott75]

I honestly couldn't say. I stopped reading/viewing most mainstream media a while back. My news sources are now mainly substack journalists and some youtubers.

Edited January 2 by Scott75

[eyeball]

It's good to know there's always people with their ears close to the ground.

I'm pretty sure if something important pops up on substack or YouTube I'll see it on tv.

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, User said:

1. So… why did you share the video you did if you are now going to claim you don’t even know if it was even the incident you are talking about?

2. This is YOUR argument and YOUR claim about Rebel News, and you can’t back it up with anything. 

3. Again, you tried to share a video to support your claims, but now that you have been called out you balk and say it is some other video.

4. See, once again, you play games. 

5. Let’s face it, you were wrong. Why not just own up to that?

6. Let’s play your game. Define regularly. Hell, can you even produce one example to support your assertions here? 

7. The guys “agitations” are little more than being annoying by asking questions. You know, things journalists do.

8. The police don’t care, they get away with silencing Rebel news, just like the prime ministers security detail gets away with pushing David into a wall. 

1. I think the previous video started later, so this at least shows there's more to it.
2. 3.  From 1. 2. 3. of my previous post, I asserted that I don't have evidence to back up my claim.   " I don't have video evidence"
4.  Well, if I was playing games wouldn't I try to say that I have evidence, or that I made my point ?  No.  I failed to prove my claim. 

That's some game I'm playing, to admit failure...

5.  I'm not retracting my claim that such an event exists, just saying I can't prove it so - no - I don't expect you to believe.  I'm not retracting my claim about Menzies having dubious tactics in his journalism, nor that The Rebel is an unserious outfit.

6. Sure... but if I produce evidence, I would say you have to comment on that instead of just asking me another question.  Now you asking me questions post after post and not responding to mine... that would be a game.

I remember Menzies from arrests in 2024.

Looks like He was arrested 3 times January to April but charges weren't laid in every case:

https://www.barrietoday.com/police-beat/no-charge-laid-in-incident-that-sparked-freedom-of-the-press-debate-8091418
https://globalnews.ca/news/10365546/police-arrest-two-at-protest-that-delayed-trudeau-event-including-rebel-news-host/
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2024/04/08/man-arrested-for-disrupting-pro-israel-demonstration/

7. I think he was charged with violating a Peace Bond also.

8. Yeah, violating a peace bond is obviously a chargeable offense, no Police attempt to 'Silence Rebel News' would be necessary there, he was outside the law.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yes voting more often would be more effective. Voting once in a blue moon does little to no good.

We already vote on average between once every 18 months to 2 years. How much more does it take, are you suggesting people should be voting weekly in order for it to be effective?

And if you feel that way why don't you say that Federal elections should be automatic once every two years, or every year or however often you think that we should be having elections?

The reality is you don't believe what you say. You're just making shit up again because you can't cope with the truth

Quote

You're a cùnt.

No wonder you don't recognize me   LOLOL   You lefties regularly confuse men for women  

And it doesn't change the fact that you're a dishonest lying twat  

 

[WestCanMan]

23 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. I just would like people to be less angry and more rational, on all sides, when they look at issues.  That's my preferred way for such things to decline out of existence, and that has happened in the past a few times. 

MH:

1. You weren't bothered by the PM calling a group of 7M people racists and misogynists for absolutely no reason at all
2. you didn't flinch when Trudeau doubled-down on his accusations of bigotry against white Canadians after the hijab hoax blew up in his face
3. you didn't care when a peaceful protester was beaten on the street after he surrendered on his knees
4. you didn't care when young people were getting forced to take a dangerous injection that they didn't need
5. There's more, because leftist leaders use slander and libel as the backbone of every election campaign, but those 4 are enough to prove my point.

You 100% identify as a person who's willing to let all of the above slide, you condone every last bit of it, but gonna get upset if some random internet poster doesn't live up to your double-standard for decorum on their relies to you here, MH? 

Look at all the hate in AOC's speech the other day at Mamdani's inauguration... She just accused everyone on the other side of bigotry, and even all the past and present Dem mayors and governors, and no one on the left even noticed because it's just so common from the left.

You offered no criticism at all of that speech either, MH. Your political leaders are stuck at "go to hell,  peasants, we're gonna lie and gaslight and make horrible accusations all the time and no one's gonna do anything about it!" and here you are asking us to be polite to you??????? 

Does it make you upset if we talk to you with 10% of the hatred, bigotry, and slander that Trudeau, AOC et al routinely unleash on conservatives, MH? 

Do you understand why I find you to be 100% hypocritical on this issue, MH? And I mean 100%, not merely 99.998%. 

[User]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

5.  I'm not retracting my claim that such an event exists, just saying I can't prove it so - no - I don't expect you to believe.  I'm not retracting my claim about Menzies having dubious tactics in his journalism, nor that The Rebel is an unserious outfit.

You can't prove it, because it doesn't exist. So far, you are the one showing how unserious you are here. 

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

6. Sure... but if I produce evidence, I would say you have to comment on that instead of just asking me another question.  Now you asking me questions post after post and not responding to mine... that would be a game.

This was your last comment:

"1. I don't have it.  It was either a different camera shot of the same incident, or a different incident.

2. From that other video. 

3. I'm not saying I was wrong, I just say that I don't have video evidence. Whatever video I saw, I can't find now. 

I would say that there is evidence that this reporter, or so-called reporter, gets arrested regularly for these kind of agitations, such as disturbing, the peace or violating peace Bond.  And then he reports on it.  I can't think of another legitimate press vehicle that does that."

Do you see any question marks in there? No. So what questions did I not respond to? 

I am asking you questions because you are entirely unserious here as you push your dishonest characterizations of Rebel News, when asked to prove it you run away, when I bring it back up again, you post a link to a video that doesn't back up your claim and then say you are not even sure that was the incident anyhow... 

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I think the previous video started later, so this at least shows there's more to it.

More to what? Make up your mind. Is this the incident, or is it not? How does this video have anything to do with anything?

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. 3.  From 1. 2. 3. of my previous post, I asserted that I don't have evidence to back up my claim.   " I don't have video evidence"

And yet, you come here to a public forum to push an assertion you can't support?

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

4.  Well, if I was playing games wouldn't I try to say that I have evidence, or that I made my point ?  No.  I failed to prove my claim. 

That's some game I'm playing, to admit failure...

Only now, when pushed repeatedly only after initially making the claim and running away and then playing games about ignoring me again and trying to post a video that doesn't prove what you were asserting... yes, you have been playing games and still are. 

Remember, this was your comment in the other thread, where you came out guns blazing pushing your assertion:

"Yes, selective editing provides exactly the kind of propaganda people like you need to believe in.  Look up David Menzies, he's a publicity clown not a journalist. Of course, if anybody says anything bad about Trudeau they're automatically a beacon of Truth in your eyes."

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I remember Menzies from arrests in 2024.

Looks like He was arrested 3 times January to April but charges weren't laid in every case:

So, no, you can't provide one example. Show me where any of these charges have stuck.

 

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, User said:

1. Is this the incident, or is it not? How does this video have anything to do with anything?

2. And yet, you come here to a public forum to push an assertion you can't support?

3. yes, you have been playing games and still are. 

4. So, no, you can't provide one example. Show me where any of these charges have stuck.

 

1. I don't know if it's the incident I saw video for.  I made my claim thinking that I would be able to find the supporting clip.

2.  My mistake.

3. I'm being honest.  Not playing games. Admitting to errors in a discussion is honest.  Few here do that, so I'm sure it's baffling.

4. I'll keep looking.

Would you also admit that I have some basis for my suspicions based on the fractious nature of this reporter conducting his business?

You haven't commented on my answers in the last post regarding his arrest, violation of peace bond?

I would say that you should be acknowledging my points instead of not saying anything.  

I admitted many posts ago that I submitted a claim evidence and that's all you're talking about.

Are you just trying to win?  Or have a discussion?

From above:

"Sure... but if I produce evidence, I would say you have to comment on that instead of just asking me another question.  Now you asking me questions post after post and not responding to mine... that would be a game.

I remember Menzies from arrests in 2024.

Looks like He was arrested 3 times January to April but charges weren't laid in every case:

https://www.barrietoday.com/police-beat/no-charge-laid-in-incident-that-sparked-freedom-of-the-press-debate-8091418
https://globalnews.ca/news/10365546/police-arrest-two-at-protest-that-delayed-trudeau-event-including-rebel-news-host/
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2024/04/08/man-arrested-for-disrupting-pro-israel-demonstration/"

Edited January 3 by Michael Hardner

[User]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

3. I'm being honest.  Not playing games. Admitting to errors in a discussion is honest.  Few here do that, so I'm sure it's baffling.

Except... you only do it and only after being whittled down to this after days and multiple threads of postings. 

Even just before this post you were still making vague assertions about the video you did post which you did not respond to my question about...

So, now you want a prize and accolades for being so accommodating, as if you just cleaned up an error so easily and readily?

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Would you also admit that I have some basis for my suspicions based on the fractious nature of this reporter conducting his business?

No. What I admit is that he as a reporter makes people feel uncomfortable, but that doesn't somehow support your suspicions or claims about them. All of the videos and evidence and links you have shared so far, show him standing around or harmlessly walking around asking people questions or trying to. You don't have to like him, like his abrasiveness, or like that he comes across the way he does... so what? That doesn't justify saying he is not a journalist or even worse trying to claim he is purposefully assaulting police. 

 

 

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You haven't commented on my answers in the last post regarding his arrest, violation of peace bond?

I did. Show me where the charges stuck. In every example I have seen, he was the one being abused by police or the police were coming up with specious reasons to arrest him and charge him and those charges never go anywhere because of that. 

In fact, so far, all this shows is how awful the police and government forces are acting against him. 

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I admitted many posts ago that I submitted a claim evidence and that's all you're talking about.

As I already pointed out, that is not all you did, you continue to push other comments or only half way admit to any wrong. 

So, I keep talking about it and responding to those comments. 

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Are you just trying to win?  Or have a discussion?

Are you just trying to win when you keep playing the games you do? It certainly doesn't seem like you want much of a discussion either. I respond to what you post, this all started with your pretty bold assertions about Rebel news and what you said about people like me believing things from them. To that point, you still have not taken that garbage statement back either. 

 

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

3. I'm being honest.  Not playing games. 

Perfect. I only have 1 question for you Mike:

• Does the CBC cover every story that is of a political nature with a steep slant in favour of the LPoC?