For the first time since 1988, the US is not commemorating World AIDS Day

[User]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Well, you didn't look very hard.

I see you are just going to ignore all my responses pointing out how Trump administration is in fact continuing to fund various global AIDS initiatives. 

[Radiorum]

3 minutes ago, User said:

how Trump administration is in fact continuing to fund various global AIDS initiatives. 

You saying it does not make it true. Provide sources.

Numbers do not lie. Did you see my post based on the Impact Tracker?

Besides, any changes made to PEPFAR were because of the intervention of Congress, not Trump

According to Google AI:

While core PEPFAR funding was preserved by Congress, the initial freeze and the general cuts to USAID programs have still caused significant disruption and funding shortfalls in many countries. South Africa, a major recipient of PEPFAR funds, saw a halt in an estimated 70% of expected funding earlier in 2025, which led to a reduction of thousands of health workers. UNAIDS has warned that the overall funding cuts and disruptions could lead to millions of additional HIV infections and deaths globally in the coming years. 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

You saying it does not make it true. Provide sources.

You should do more than mindlessly parrot left-wing talking points here from whatever subreddit you wallow around in...

You can see work they are doing here:

https://www.state.gov/pepfar/

And you can see when this was reported on, the administration provided responses outlining what I have said here:

"“An awareness day is not a strategy. Under the leadership of President Trump, the State Department is working directly with foreign governments to save lives and increase their responsibility and burden sharing,” State Department deputy spokesperson Tommy Pigott said in a statement. “Earlier this year, we released a global health strategy aimed at streamlining America’s foreign assistance and modernizing our approach to countering infectious diseases.”"

...

"A US senior administration official stressed that the US would continue its work to combat HIV/AIDS, both through the new global health strategy and through the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, or PEPFAR. The latter, which was started under President George W. Bush, has saved millions of lives."

https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/01/health/world-aids-day-trump-administration

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Well, you didn't look very hard. The numbers are all over the internet. Here they are, quoted from the Impact dashboard:

PEPFAR Additional Adult Deaths Additional Adult HIV Deaths	HIV	137,930Adult Deaths	159,272Adult Deaths	3.3 min	Disrupted Source: USAID	View Methodology	View Details
PEPFAR Additional Infant Deaths Additional Infant HIV Deaths	HIV	14,682Infant Deaths	16,954Infant Deaths	31 min	Disrupted Source: USAID

 

83% of the programmes run by USAID have been cancelled. This did not only affect people with AIDS, but also disrupted malaria-control supply chains, closed down the he UN World Food Programme in South Africa, and hinder support for health care, nutrition, development, humanitarian relief, education, and other sectors.

An independent, peer-reviewed analysis in The Lancet estimated that U.S.A.I.D. assistance had saved ninety-two million lives over two decades.

To imagine that the impact of the cuts would not be huge is to bury your head in the sand.

Here’s the UNAID analysis, the predictions for between 2025-2029

·         An additional 6.6 million new HIV Infections 

o    About 2300 additional new HIV infections per day 

o    A total of 5800 new infections per day today compared to 3500 in 2023

o    660 000 additional new HIV infections among children between 2025 and 2029.  

·         An additional 4.2 million AIDS-related deaths 

o    Over 600 additional AIDS-related deaths per day

o    A total of 2400 deaths per day in 2025 compared to 1700 in 2023

o     An additional 300 000 children will die of AIDS related causes between 2025 and 2029. 

·         3 million additional children orphaned by AIDS 

 

According to the Lancet:

Forecasting models predicted that the current steep funding cuts could result in more than 14 051 750 (uncertainty interval 8 475 990–19 662 191) additional all-age deaths, including 4 537 157 (3 124 796–5 910 791) in children younger than age 5 years, by 2030.

 

 

 

 

Did you actually read the source stuff?

I'm guessing not. Those are not actual deaths. Those are potential deaths. The dashboard presents it as actual but if you look at the research that they specifically reference it is not the case.

In addition the model that they are referencing makes three predictions depending on the percentage of population impacted and of course they've chosen the worst of the three models or possibilities

Your numbers are 100% fake. They are guesstimates as to the possible maximum impact that could potentially have using a number of mathematical models. There isn't an indication that even one person actually died as a result of it.

Which is I guess why I couldn't find what I was looking for, I was looking for actual deaths and there is nothing on that

That would be my fault for taking you at your word. I should have guessed there was a trick to it

So now that we know that your statistics are a lie, let's go back and deal with the concept

Usaid is one source of income at these groups can rely on but if they can't get that then it is up to them to secure other means of funding. The united states has absolutely no moral or ethical or practical responsibility for these people.

The USA is facing severe deficit. That severely impacts the life health and well-being of 400 million Americans. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to spend Americans money on Americans?

Next time don't use fake numbers to try and make your argument

[Radiorum]

5 minutes ago, User said:

You can see work they are doing here:

https://www.state.gov/pepfar/

And you can see when this was reported on, the administration provided responses outlining what I have said here:

"“An awareness day is not a strategy. Under the leadership of President Trump, the State Department is working directly with foreign governments to save lives and increase their responsibility and burden sharing,” State Department deputy spokesperson Tommy Pigott said in a statement. “Earlier this year, we released a global health strategy aimed at streamlining America’s foreign assistance and modernizing our approach to countering infectious diseases.”"

 

Sourcing the Administration is the equivalent of saying "If you don't believe me, just ask me."

 

8 minutes ago, User said:

"A US senior administration official stressed that the US would continue its work to combat HIV/AIDS, both through the new global health strategy and through the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, or PEPFAR. The latter, which was started under President George W. Bush, has saved millions of lives."

Again, quoting a "senior administration official" is not evidence of anything.

The PEPFAR budget for 2025 was $4.85 billion. For 2026, it is $2.9 billion (a decrease of $1.9 billion,)

And of course, PEPFAR's implementation of programs has been severely disrupted by staff reductions at the CDC and USAID.

 

 

[User]

7 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Sourcing the Administration is the equivalent of saying "If you don't believe me, just ask me."

So... your source for there being no more AIDS day recognition was... what, the administration saying it?

You are being obtuse. 

The point is that the link provides press releases outlining what they are, in fact, doing. You want to ignore that and dismiss it because it contradicts your stupid lies here. 

8 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Again, quoting a "senior administration official" is not evidence of anything.

The PEPFAR budget for 2025 was $4.85 billion. For 2026, it is $2.9 billion (a decrease of $1.9 billion,)

And of course, PEPFAR's implementation of programs has been severely disrupted by staff reductions at the CDC and USAID.

So... you admit, they are in fact still doing things. Thank you. 

[Radiorum]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So now that we know that your statistics are a lie, let's go back and deal with the concept

The cuts at USAID have killed hundreds of thousands. That is not lie. But do tell yourself any lie you need to, in order to live with yourself, and not face the chaos and destruction unleashed by the Trump administration.

If hundreds of thousands do not affect you, maybe one will. At the link below is the story of Rovina and her daughter Jane

"Rovina's Choice" Shows How The Shutdown of U.S.A.I.D. Has Already Killed Hundreds of Thousands

 

[User]

2 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

The cuts at USAID have killed hundreds of thousands.

You choosing to eat out anytime this last year instead of sending that money to Africa killed someone, too!

[herbie]

Nice attitude people.
Why should I spend 25c to save some foreigner when I can get a chocolate dip for my ice cream cone?

[Radiorum]

6 minutes ago, User said:

You choosing to eat out anytime this last year instead of sending that money to Africa killed someone, too!

 

I pay my taxes, and my country Canada provides more in foreign aid per capita than does the US.

For Canada, it's $229.33 per capita, for the US, it's $185.82

[User]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

 

I pay my taxes, and my country Canada provides more in foreign aid per capita than does the US.

For Canada, it's $229.33 per capita, for the US, it's $185.82

So? Kids are still dying because you didn't do more. How many have you killed because you thought this was enough?

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Nice attitude people.
Why should I spend 25c to save some foreigner when I can get a chocolate dip for my ice cream cone?

That is precisely your attitude. Yes. 

How many kids did you kill?

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Numbers do not lie.

Numbers lie all the time. There are lies, damned lies, and statistics  

And as i already pointed out, your numbers lie A LOT. 

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Radiorum said:

The cuts at USAID have killed hundreds of thousands. That is not lie.

 

You have posted NOTHING that actually indicates that.  In fact, i believe it to be a complete lie. And if you've got evidence to show that's wrong then you're hiding it well. 

We already know the numbers you posted were a lie.  People don't die of aids in a few months, so it doesn't even make sense. 

7 hours ago, Radiorum said:

If hundreds of thousands do not affect you, maybe one will. At the link below is the story of Rovina and her daughter Jane

If that was so tragic why aren't you spending all of your money donating to aids? The fact that you aren't suggests that even YOU believe that it's ok not to spend money you don't want to on other people's problems. 

Hypocrite. 

7 hours ago, Radiorum said:

I pay my taxes,

Your taxes go to run your country. 

And canada saw more canadians die waiting for care per capita than the us did. 

So why are you so eager to kill your own people in the name of pretending to save others who AREN"T our responsibility?

[Deluge]

On 12/4/2025 at 3:06 PM, Radiorum said:

In 1988, the World Health Organization created World AIDS Day to remember the millions of people killed by AIDS.

For the first time since then, the US is not participating in this day.

Tommy Pigott, a spokesperson for the State Department, confirmed the decision not to commemorate the day, writing in a statement that the country is "modernizing our approach to countering infectious diseases" and that "under the leadership of President Trump, the State Department is working directly with foreign governments to save lives and increase their responsibility and burden sharing."

All this, while the AIDS funding freezes at USAID have so far resulted in 147,000 deaths (132,933 adult and 14,150 child deaths).

Yeah, a really modern approach. /s

 

Abstinence is the best way to fight AIDS. It's too bad AIDS sufferers are so selfish and destructive. 

[Radiorum]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Abstinence is the best way to fight AIDS. It's too bad AIDS sufferers are so selfish and destructive. 

I'm sensing a pattern here with you. I just read your post on the other thread blaming women for the actions of misogynists. Now here you are blaming ill people for their illness.

"Blaming the victim" may actually demonstrate a fear of vulnerability.

What are you afraid of?

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

  Now here you are blaming ill people for their illness.

 

The US government commemorates World Cancer Day Feb 4
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-resolution/992/text#:~:text=Energy and Commerce-,RESOLUTION,the United States and globally.

They don't add a footnote that say "Except for you selfish f*cks who smoke, drink or eat at McDonald's too much"

But you know, with MAGA culture, the idea is to be brutally cruel and insensitive and smash away decorum, politeness, and so on... ostensibly because there are hard choices to be made.  Ostensibly, but I would say it's actually just an echo, people aping the behaviour of the types of people who lead the movement.

Edited December 18, 2025 by Michael Hardner

[Deluge]

12 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

I'm sensing a pattern here with you. I just read your post on the other thread blaming women for the actions of misogynists. Now here you are blaming ill people for their illness.

"Blaming the victim" may actually demonstrate a fear of vulnerability.

What are you afraid of?

Some women want nothing more than to demean men. Now, I get that a doormat like you probably enjoys being trashed by women, but I don't. If a woman pops off the way feminazis pop off, then you know I'm going to put on my wife beaters, so to speak, and go to work.  

The only fear I have is losing this country. 

[Radiorum]

14 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Some women want nothing more than to demean men. Now, I get that a doormat like you probably enjoys being trashed by women, but I don't. If a woman pops off the way feminazis pop off, then you know I'm going to put on my wife beaters, so to speak, and go to work.

Wow, I bet you get a lot of "swipe left" on Tinder

 

14 minutes ago, Deluge said:

The only fear I have is losing this country. 

Then you must be scared sh*tless of Trump

[Deluge]

Just now, Radiorum said:

1. Wow, I bet you get a lot of "swipe left" on Tinder

2. Then you must be scared sh*tless of Trump

1. Does "swipe left" just scare the ever loving shit of you? I bet it does.  

2. Not nearly as scared as I would've been with that zero, Kamelface Harris in charge. 

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

The US government commemorates World Cancer Day Feb 4
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-resolution/992/text#:~:text=Energy and Commerce-,RESOLUTION,the United States and globally.

They don't add a footnote that say "Except for you selfish f*cks who smoke, drink or eat at McDonald's too much"

But you know, with MAGA culture, the idea is to be brutally cruel and insensitive and smash away decorum, politeness, and so on... ostensibly because there are hard choices to be made.  Ostensibly, but I would say it's actually just an echo, people aping the behaviour of the types of people who lead the movement.

But the government does have massive anti-smoking programs, health programs and a host of other things to discourage the bad behavior that can lead to cancer

So I take it you'll be in full support of an anti-gay sex program that the government pays for? 

No? Not at all?

What a hypocrite

[Radiorum]

12 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Kamelface

Oh, there's more of the Deluge charm

[Deluge]

10 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Oh, there's more of the Deluge charm

I love free speech. How about you? 

[Radiorum]

27 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I love free speech. How about you? 

Free? I don't think you could even give your speech away.

[Deluge]

4 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Free? I don't think you could even give your speech away.

You've given your freedom away, and the country hasn't even been overrun - what a loser. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

The US government commemorates World Cancer Day Feb 4
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-resolution/992/text#:~:text=Energy and Commerce-,RESOLUTION,the United States and globally.

They don't add a footnote that say "Except for you selfish f*cks who smoke, drink or eat at McDonald's too much"

But you know, with MAGA culture, the idea is to be brutally cruel and insensitive and smash away decorum, politeness, and so on... ostensibly because there are hard choices to be made.  Ostensibly, but I would say it's actually just an echo, people aping the behaviour of the types of people who lead the movement.

Now wait a minute there Mike.

The AIDS budget has been cut. That tells me 2 things.

1. AIDS is not the issue it once was.

2. USAID was...and still is...a bureaucratic pig. Cuts in redundancy and other efficiency cuts are a good thing. And lets face it, these are doom's day reports made by the organization getting cut. Hardly an objective source.