Ottawa orders new study on kids’ mental health after COVID lockdown warnings grow harder to ignore

[Shady]

On 12/1/2025 at 8:08 AM, Barquentine said:

You don't seem to remember how many people were dying from Covid's first effects. Let me remind you: A LOT!

But after a while Covid mutated into something less lethal. 

Apparently you would have preferred more deaths during that first wave?

Americans died at 10 times the Canadian rate.

The average age of a covid death in Canada was 80+ years old, which is older than life expectancy.  There was no reason to keep schools closed, and disregard the health and development of children.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

It was the SPREAD of Covid we were fighting, with the best knowledge we had at the time.

Nonsense. In the very early days that might have had some validity but not after the vaccines came out. 

If we'd followed your idea of no isolation, we would have lost a lot more people.

Now, thanks to the anti-isolationists like you, next time we will lose more people to whatever killing disease sweeps the world.

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Now, thanks to the anti-isolationists like you, next time we will lose more people to whatever killing disease sweeps the world.

So basically you're saying you're happy you destroyed an entire generation of children over your fantasy fears about something in the future that have never happened.

Is there nothing that you won't excuse the liberals for? These are children.

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Now, thanks to the anti-isolationists like you, next time we will lose more people to whatever killing disease sweeps the world.

Hah....he's just into his contrarian act for the shits and giggles. You can count on this clown kicking old ladies and kids out the way to the head of the vaccine line up.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Hah....he's just into his contrarian act for the shits and giggles. You can count on this clown kicking old ladies and kids out the way to the head of the vaccine line up.

Talking about yourself again? Tsk tsk,  well you've stated you approve of shooting women and children to fight repression, i don't doubt you'd kick the elderly on the way to demand your vaccine. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Talking about yourself again? Tsk tsk,  well you've stated you approve of shooting women and children to fight repression, i don't doubt you'd kick the elderly on the way to demand your vaccine. 

No, I'm talking about you. Go read it again.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

No, I'm talking about you. Go read it again.

Sounds like you were talking about you  Except you didn't mention lying and your dedication to defending liberals  

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Except you didn't mention lying and your dedication to defending liberals

I'd be lying if I did 

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'd be lying if I did 

You're always lying either way  But that was pretty clever  

Edited December 3, 2025 by CdnFox

[Barquentine]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

you destroyed an entire generation of children

Gotta give you an A for hyperbole.

[Barquentine]

On 12/1/2025 at 3:07 PM, Goddess said:

There's a reason why we have never done lockdowns before.

So wrong.

From a simple google search:

Since the fourteenth century, quarantine has been the cornerstone of a coordinated disease-control strategy,

Spanish Flu 1918
Maritime quarantines, which had stopped infectious diseases from entering Canada in the 19th century, did not prevent the spread of the virus as the infected were travelling within the country, where no quarantine measures had been developed.

During the 2003 pandemic of severe acute respiratory syndrome, the use of quarantine, border controls, contact tracing, and surveillance proved effective in containing the global threat in just over 3 months.

The history of epidemic face masks traces back to the 17th-century bubonic plague.

[Goddess]

4 hours ago, Barquentine said:

During the 2003 pandemic of severe acute respiratory syndrome, the use of quarantine, border controls, contact tracing, and surveillance proved effective in containing the global threat in just over 3 months.

Huh.

I don't remember being quarantined in 2003 at all.  I don't remember not being allowed to travel in 2003.  I don't remember having to leave my name and phone number at restaurants when I ate out in 2003.  I don't remember mass surveillance of citizens in 2003, either.  I don't remember the world locking down in 2003.  I don't remember schools shutting down for 2 years.  I don't remember 24/7 case tickers on every TV channel.  Not even for 3 months.

Are you sure all this happened?

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Gotta give you an A for hyperbole.

I'll give you an A+ and a star for indifference to harm to children  

[Barquentine]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I'll give you an A+ and a star for indifference to harm to children

I'll see your bid and raise you 2 stars for 'Virtue Signalling'.

[Barquentine]

22 hours ago, Goddess said:

Are you sure all this happened?

So you avoided the point that quarantining, lock-downs and masking have been going on for centuries, contrary to your claim it had never happened before.

It's easy to educate yourself these days.

[Goddess]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

So you avoided the point that quarantining, lock-downs and masking have been going on for centuries, contrary to your claim it had never happened before.

It's easy to educate yourself these days.

Does anyone else here remember 2003 as being the same as 2020 onward?

Sorry dude, nothing like 2020 has ever happened in the history of mankind.

[WestCanMan]

On 11/30/2025 at 10:58 AM, Venandi said:

And it saddens me to think of the effect it had on seniors (confined to group homes) that found themselves isolated and alone at a time in their lives when they craved the support of family and friends the most. 

Ex-flyer put a down-arrow on that post lol. 

What kid of piece of shit thinks it wasn't sad that old people had to die alone, without their families? 

[WestCanMan]

On 12/1/2025 at 5:08 AM, Barquentine said:

You don't seem to remember how many people were dying from Covid's first effects. Let me remind you: A LOT!

But after a while Covid mutated into something less lethal. 

Apparently you would have preferred more deaths during that first wave?

Americans died at 10 times the Canadian rate.

Idjit. 1) They have ten times our population and ten times our population density, but only 20x our deaths in 2020. 15,000 vs 350,000. They also have more grossly obese people. 

2) The entire population of Alberta rides on the NYC Subway every day, and then those people get off the train and mingle at offices, restaurants, gyms, bars, etc with 11M more people just within the city of NY, plus 10M more people in the NYC Metro area.

3) Covid's first wave killed far less people in both the US and Canada than 2022 covid did. You only think the opposite is true because our media covered the topic that way to feign vax-success. 

The "covid death ticker" was dropped from CNN when Biden took over, but deaths absolutely skyrocketed. 350k in 2020, 1.35M in 2021 (Biden), 1.1M in 2022 (Biden and the pseudovax). "It's just a pandemic of the unvaccinated now" 😉 Almost 90% of covid deaths in Canada by 2022 were jabbers.

You could easily infect 20M people in the NYC metro area in 2 or 3 days. Infecting just the population of 4.5M Albertans with an equally infectious disease would take months and months.  

Canada actually had its worst year in 2022, "after covid was less lethal", according to you.

The US only had 350,000 deaths in 2020. 2021, under Biden, with the vax, there were 1M more deaths than that. 2022, America fully vaxed, still 1.1M deaths:

 

Edited December 4, 2025 by WestCanMan

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Covid's first wave killed far less people in both the US and Canada than 2022 covid did. You only think the opposite is true because our media covered the topic that way to feign vax-success. 

This has always been one of the most damning aspects of the covering up of the jab's failure.  I don't understand how anyone who claims to be a critical thinker can gloss over this.

80-90% vaxxed rate.

And yet MORE and YOUNGER people dying from the disease they were vaxxed against.

Yet the variants were far less lethal.

And by 2022, the "dry tinder" - the ones most vulnerable, the very elderly, the terminally ill, the grossly obese - had already died.

Only the completely brainwashed believe the spin that this jab was "successful".

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

Sorry dude, nothing like 2020 has ever happened in the history of mankind.

We used the same terminology for public measures, like social distancing and lockdown for example that were used during the 'Spanish' Flu...which could have started in Kansas or France for all anyone knew...it was all a big secret back then because of WW 1.

And yes there was no end of fears over conspiracies and authoritarianism from the usual suspects losing their shit in a fog of misinformation.

Not as bad as 2020 though, I'll give you that.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

Only the completely brainwashed believe the spin that this jab was "successful".

There are people here who spend hours a day watching CBC's "news" programming or listening to it on the radio.

For them to question the CBC's authenticity or motives is almost impossible. It's like getting a devout cultist to admit that something their divine leader does is immoral. 

Eyeball just flat out didn't believe me when I told him that "vaccinated" people had died "of covid", and that there were as many people dying in 2022 as had died in either of the previous years. I went to great lengths to show him, using Health Canada's own data, but he was completely unmoved. 

[Goddess]

Are Lockdowns Effective in Managing Pandemics? - PMC

This was a good study because it examined the cost/benefit analysis of lockdowns, which was NOT done during covid.

You're a fuquing ****** if you still support this.  We can never let them do this to us again.

All you braindead lemmings - you cheered while governments killed more children than covid ever would have.  And you let them do it for MONEY.

 

The following research questions have been formulated: What has been known about lockdowns’ effectiveness in saving/prolonging life in previous pandemics; what is the COVID-19 evidence regarding lockdowns’ effectiveness in saving/prolonging life; which factors determine the human cost of lockdowns—side-effects that shorten life; how can the human cost of lockdowns be estimated based on economical parameters; what is the quantitative estimation for lockdowns’ human cost? Finally, we tried to understand how decision-making was actually performed. 

The Spanish Flu was one of the deadliest pandemics in centuries, and for sure the most lethal of well-documented pandemics [9]. The highest mortality was detected among the 20–40 years age group [10] and so caused sizable demographic damage—unlike COVID-19. This being said, there was no panic then and the response was mainly based on common sense—see references in sect. II.2 of the Collection [4]. The leaders generally presumed reasonable and rational behavior of the citizens: e.g., quarantine practices were almost exclusively voluntary. Closure of the non-entertainment business was out of discussion [11]. School closure was discussed but often rejected due to the obvious outcome: children’s bands roaming in dirty streets could boost the infection spread more than gathering in supervised and relatively clean schools [12].

The effectiveness of various closures has not been proven.

It should be mentioned that the same conclusions—no clear benefit of lockdowns in case of pandemic—were made by national and international bodies before COVID-19 emerged.

Namely, several governments prepared detailed plans of response to influenza-like pandemics years ago—see the programs of the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration (2007) [16], Israeli Ministry of Health (2007) [17] and more references in sect. II.4 of the Collection [4]. Israel probably had the most elaborate plan which relied on the unique experience of civil-military partnership (ref. II.4.4 in the Collection [4]). Noteworthy, the World Health Organization (WHO) published its comprehensive 91-page preparedness plan [6] in October 2019!

All these response plans mentioned lockdowns, if at all, as a means of last resort only. The WHO document, for example, explicitly mentioned that:

• social distancing measures “can be highly disruptive” and should be carefully weighted

• travel-related measures are “unlikely to be successful”; “border closures may be considered only by small island nations in severe pandemics”

• contact tracing and quarantine of exposed individuals are not recommended in any circumstances.

All the above plans were abandoned without any serious discussion at the very beginning of the COVID-19 crisis: The authors failed to find a single mention of these plans in publications of national health ministries in either country. Lockdowns, border closures, contact tracing, and quarantines became the main instruments.

Numerous deaths can be attributed to the interruption of normal social life and routine regular social interactions. The direct factors are [25,26]:

• increased mortality due to postponement of diagnoses and routine treatments

• increase in mortality due to non-arrival at hospitals

• increase in mortality due to a decrease in the level of income and as a result—use of less safe cars, reduction in the scope of physical activity, etc.

• “deaths of despair” caused by drugs, alcohol, and suicide following loss of social-economic status

• increase in violence, including domestic violence; dismantling of families

• severe health damage to the elderly in particular—physical and mental deterioration (usually irreversible) due to loneliness, lack of movement, and routine supportive care.

Since increased income led to life extension, it is logical to conclude that lost income means lost lives. Corresponding references can be found in sect. I.3 of the Collection [4]. Therefore, any decision potentially harmful to personal income should be scrutinized, and decision-makers should not ignore the loss of life caused by loss of income and corresponding loss of socioeconomic status and self-respect [31,32].

Accepting certain or very probable death for money is morally unacceptable.

Another comparison can be made if we remember that the average age of people dying of COVID-19 was around 80, with 3–6 QALY per death lost. Therefore, 500,000 QALY are equivalent to roughly 100,000 COVID-19 deaths. Even if we assume that lockdowns saved 1.5 daily deaths per million [20] for a whole year (365 days), after multiplying by 9.2 million (population of Israel) we arrive at about 5000 lives saved—just about 5% of the lockdowns’ human cost. In other words, it can be estimated that even if the lockdowns saved some lives, in the long term they killed 20 times more.

 

• As mentioned above, the prepared response plans, both national and international, were abandoned without any serious discussion at the very beginning of the COVID-19 crisis. The actual response consisted of instruments that had been considered ineffective and counter-productive.

• The extent of human life loss has probably never been calculated and has never been taken into consideration in the decision-making process. One of the first reports recommending strict lockdowns (26 March 2020) explicitly stated [42]: “we do not consider the wider social and economic costs of suppression, which will be high”. Anyhow, societies have never been informed about these considerations and calculations.

• The implemented policy relied on compulsion instead of compassion and private initiative (with very few exemptions). The governments ignored alternative ways to protect groups at risk—see Sect. V.3 of the Collection [4].

• The forecasts which were chosen for political decision-making systematically overestimated the COVID-19 threat, supporting excessive measures—see references in sect. III.1. of the Collection [4]. Political leaders and government officials systematically “instilled fear in the population, thereby contributing to the making of mass hysteria” [43].

• The evidence-based approach was actually abandoned, as blatantly reasoned in the pro-lockdown open letter to the UK Chief Medical Officers [44]:

  “Whilst it is always helpful to have more data and more evidence, we caution that in this complex and fast-moving pandemic, certainty is likely to remain elusive. ‘Facts’ will be differently valued and differently interpreted by different experts and different interest groups. A research finding that is declared ‘best evidence’ or ‘robust evidence’ by one expert will be considered marginal or flawed by another expert.”

• Lockdowns were still imposed during the subsequent waves (autumn/winter 2020/21 and 2021/22, to say nothing about the 2022 spring lockdowns in PRC [45]) as if they had been proven effective—despite the above-mentioned evidence.

 

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I went to great lengths to show him, using Health Canada's own data, but he was completely unmoved. 

Not surprised.  He's completely unmoved by dead children and has stated repeatedly that he would support every last bit of it again.

[Goddess]

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Political leaders and government officials systematically “instilled fear in the population, thereby contributing to the making of mass hysteria” [43].

You would think ones like eyeball, barky, robo et al - they would be embarrassed at how easily manipulated they were during covid and ashamed of their support for things like lockdowns and forcing experimental medicine on children and pregnant women.

But no.

They're still here.  Super-proud of themselves.  And demonizing everyone who was not easily manipulated and was already well-informed of the above information.  They've been demonizing me and calling me a conspiracy theorist and a loon for years now.

Even after they've been proven wrong over and over and over again.

One of the sickest exchanges I've ever had on here was with eyeball, who after FINALLY admitting that yes, some children probably died from the jabs - it was worth it because some 90 yr old granny got a couple more weeks.

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Eyeball just flat out didn't believe me when I told him that "vaccinated" people had died "of covid"

Of course vaccinated people died of COVID just like people vaccinated against the flu die of the flu. WTF is wrong with you?

13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

there were as many people dying in 2022 as had died in either of the previous years. I went to great lengths to show him, using Health Canada's own data, but he was completely unmoved. 

Probably because every chart you used also had a column that indicated the number of dead unvaccinated people. This column always towered over all the rest every time.

It's funny how you consistently you missed that everytime.

13 minutes ago, Goddess said:

What has been known about lockdowns’ effectiveness in saving/prolonging life in previous pandemics;

That when dingbat right-wing conservatives lose their shit more people die than is necessary.

15 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Not surprised.  He's completely unmoved by dead children and has stated repeatedly that he would support every last bit of it again.

So will health authorities if the health benefits to millions of people far outweigh the adverse consequences to a handful of individuals.

The same way any policy that may impact lives are always handled.

Take highway construction for example...airline maintenance regulations...building codes. Thousands upon thousands of deaths have occurred on highways, airplanes and buildings.

How do you manage to get out of bed in the mornings?

BTW, did you know around 450 Americans die falling out of bed every year?

I'm surprised the Pillow Guy hasn't brought the conspiracy that must be surrounding this failure of public policy to anyone's attention.  And what's with those mattress labels that threaten criminal charges for removing them all about anyway? A case of authoritarian over-reach if I ever saw one.

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, Goddess said:

One of the sickest exchanges I've ever had on here was with eyeball, who after FINALLY admitting that yes, some children probably died from the jabs - it was worth it because some 90 yr old granny got a couple more weeks.

That was only after you finally admitted it wasn't thousands of kids and there was actually some evidence of a small number of deaths attributed to vaccine available to health authorities.

The number was as small as expected and predicted considering the billions of jabs administered around the planet.

As there are, have been and always will be with all vaccines.

Acceptable, regrettable yes but entirely anticipated.

The sickest aspect of any exchange with you is still how many millions of more deaths you're prepared to accept on this partisan, gaslit hill you insist dying on.

[taxme]

On 11/30/2025 at 11:05 AM, CdnFox said:

And often died alone, never getting to see their family one last time.  Not to mention the effect that has on the families,  knowing their loved ones died like that. 

At least there was SOME sort of argument early on for isolating seniors as they were at risk, but the children... kids didn't die of covid in any numbers that mean anything, and yet we've probably seriously damaged an entire generation, millions and millions of them. 

The scum that pushed the fake covid which has caused great harm on we the peasants should have been arrested and charged with crimes against Canadians and crimes against humanity and sent off to the gulag for life..

Ha-ha-ha. Sorry, i was only kidding. 😁

Edited December 5, 2025 by taxme