Cry Baby Eby . . .

[Nefarious Banana]

This clown would be out on his a$$ if southern VI and the LML weren't so imbeded with left wing politics.

Get the needed pipelines built, get Canada going again.

[eyeball]

You like being told what to do by Easterners?

If they want a pipeline so much send one their way.

In the meantime I see Eby is calling for more oil to pass through the LML and around Southern Vancouver Island.

[herbie]

Speaking of asses, volunteer for an oil pipe shoved up yours.
The oil companies need it, but smile and pretend it's for the good of the country.

[Nefarious Banana]

You both enjoy a stalled economy?

 

 

Edited November 21, 2025 by Nefarious Banana

[Shady]

That guy has the most punchable face ever.

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

This clown would be out on his a$$ if southern VI and the LML weren't so imbeded with left wing politics.

Get the needed pipelines built, get Canada going again.

The federal government has jurisdiction, regardless of that pro-China stooge thinks.

[herbie]

And Zelensky is just a crybaby over Trump and Putin making up a Peace Plan without Ukraine too.

Let thee Empress\ of Alberta claim she can use the Notwithstanding clause to build a pipeline.

[eyeball]

On 11/21/2025 at 1:21 PM, Shady said:

The federal government has jurisdiction, regardless of that pro-China stooge thinks.

Oh good that should make it easy to punch it thru Quebec instead.

[herbie]

Talk about m0ronic attitude, who the f*xk do you think would be a mahor buyer of oil shipped from the West Coast? France? Nova Scotia?

eww YOU guys are ori-China. DUH,

F*cking supply our own people - build it East. Export it to our allies in Europe.

[CdnFox]

23 hours ago, herbie said:

And Zelensky is just a crybaby over Trump and Putin making up a Peace Plan without Ukraine too.

Let thee Empress\ of Alberta claim she can use the Notwithstanding clause to build a pipeline.

Sure that's pretty much the same thing 🙄🙄🙄🙄

It's Sunday. You're supposed to stop with the NyQuil by this point.

[CdnFox]

On 11/21/2025 at 1:21 PM, Shady said:

That guy has the most punchable face ever.

The federal government has jurisdiction, regardless of that pro-China stooge thinks.

It's true. But in practical terms you increase the level of difficulty to get a pipeline through by an order of magnitude if you don't have support from the provinces and the people that is passing through.

Now I think most British Columbians actually do support the idea of a pipeline. Polling suggests i'm right. 

But the government can't support it because their voters will freak out. And first nations currently aren't supporting it for whatever reason

And the way that the government is going about it seems deliberately intending to inflame both of those parties. Nothing makes the first nations more angry than being left out of discussions and Eby Already has that whole "Last kid pics for the team every time" Thing going on and is going to be furious that he's being considered to be irrelevant. On top of potentially losing his job if his base backs out on him.

My suspicion is carney is going to negotiate a deal but it will be done in such a way that if resistance is met in British Columbia it will be unlikely to proceed forward. By the time smith truly realizes she's being played carney will have moved on

[John Stone]

On 11/24/2025 at 12:31 AM, CdnFox said:

It's true. But in practical terms you increase the level of difficulty to get a pipeline through by an order of magnitude if you don't have support from the provinces and the people that is passing through.

Now I think most British Columbians actually do support the idea of a pipeline. Polling suggests i'm right. 

But the government can't support it because their voters will freak out. And first nations currently aren't supporting it for whatever reason

And the way that the government is going about it seems deliberately intending to inflame both of those parties. Nothing makes the first nations more angry than being left out of discussions and Eby Already has that whole "Last kid pics for the team every time" Thing going on and is going to be furious that he's being considered to be irrelevant. On top of potentially losing his job if his base backs out on him.

My suspicion is carney is going to negotiate a deal but it will be done in such a way that if resistance is met in British Columbia it will be unlikely to proceed forward. By the time smith truly realizes she's being played carney will have moved on

B.C. has NO veto? 

BE grateful Justin was relieved .......... the door did hit him on the ass tho. 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, John Stone said:

B.C. has NO veto? 

 

LOL looks that way, carney said so yesterday ( a few days after i made that prediction). 

Looks like the first nations may get one too. Pipeline only goes ahead if those two sign off on allowing it. 

As soon as you realize carney never wants to see a pipeline built BUT must be APPEARING to be full steam ahead for a pipeline, you see the pattern emerge.  He's constantly been telling alberta "Oh for sure, pipelines!" while at the same time sabotaging that very idea left right and center behind the scenes.   

If he wanted a pipelne then everyone knew what he had to do -  repeal the no pipeline law and lift the tanker ban. Boom, embridge and others would be stepping up. 

But nope! He created an airy fairy "projects' buerocracy that costs billions per year just to run and passed a 'tinkerbell' law that says oil companies can operate IF AND ONLY IF the federal gov't 'really really believes in the project", which they won't say until after hundreds of millions are spent preparing the proposal. 

5 hours ago, John Stone said:

BE grateful Justin was relieved .......... the door did hit him on the ass tho. 

Yeah, turns out he's now making dozens of millions a year sitting on 'boards' of companies he funneled money to as prime minister, got a big fat pension and other perks, and dating a superstar.  I'm sure he's really upset about his ass  

In fact all the bad guys are doing well.  Freeland is landing a prime ambassy job with ukraine where she'll make hundreds of thousands plus perks for doing nothng AND just took a job at the same time as a consultant because of her political connections that will pay millions.  THey're all getting deals like that. 

Simple fact is the bad guys won.  And Canadians paid the price. And that's still going on. 

[eyeball]

On 11/23/2025 at 8:31 PM, CdnFox said:

Now I think most British Columbians actually do support the idea of a pipeline. Polling suggests i'm right. 

But the government can't support it because their voters will freak out.

9 hours ago, John Stone said:

B.C. has NO veto? 

Of course it does.

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

LOL looks that way, carney said so yesterday ( a few days after i made that prediction). 

Looks like the first nations may get one too. Pipeline only goes ahead if those two sign off on allowing it. 

Will you please make up your mind.

I'm the meantime apparently you've never heard about the Notwithstanding Clause. And no the FNs don't get this. They have other avenues of influence open to them.

It should be painfully obvious why people always have to explain to you how our government works the funny thing is you never get it.

Edited November 26, 2025 by eyeball

[BeaverFever]

On 11/21/2025 at 4:21 PM, Shady said:

That guy has the most punchable face ever.

The federal government has jurisdiction, regardless of that pro-China stooge thinks.

He’s a pro-china stooge because he doesn’t want a pipeline for exporting oil to china?

[BeaverFever]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah, turns out he's now making dozens of millions a year sitting on 'boards' of companies he funneled money to as prime minister

Which companies? How many millions?  If you have any evidence for any of your claims please share. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

So you're saying you're still confused? It's hard to explain it much slower than that. Did you want me to get your hearing aid old man?  

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Of course it does.

I'm sorry but no, it does not "of course"

The jurisdiction is federal, the BC government has no say under the law. For practical reasons federal governments may choose to take their feelings into account but they don't have to.

We saw this easy enough under the trans mountain pipeline.

And the law says the first nations must be consulted but it doesn't say they get a veto either

Once again I'm stuck explaining our systems to you. Here, have another pudding  

 

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Will you please make up your mind.

I know this is confusing for you but there's no contradiction here. Under the law that provinces absolutely have no veto power to stop Pipelines. None.

Carney however Has chosen to essentially grant them one saying that if a province does not want a project he will not enforce the federal powers upon it. So while they may not have one under the law they have one impractical terms provided carney keeps his word.

I will probably have to get the crayons out to explain it more simply than that, were you able to follow that at all?

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I'm the meantime apparently you've never heard about the Notwithstanding Clause. And no the FNs don't get this. They have other avenues of influence open to them.

They're not withstanding clause applies to the federal government and the provincial government but not the first nations. I'm afraid you're deeply confused.

And Carney has said he will not proceed with the project if the first nations don't agree so in this case they do have an effective veto provided carney keeps his word

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.It should be painfully obvious why people always have to explain to you how our government works the funny thing is you never get it.

Oh dear, you seem to be speaking to your mirror again. Come sit down, it's almost time for Matlock  LOLOLOL

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

I'm sorry but no, it does not "of course"

The jurisdiction is federal, the BC government has no say under the law. For practical reasons federal governments may choose to take their feelings into account but they don't have to.

We saw this easy enough under the trans mountain pipeline.

Should be easy peasy in Quebec then. I'd rather see it stay in the ground but if it absolutely must be sold it makes sense to open Alberta up to markets in all directions. Europe needs it and selling it that way dovetails nicely with efforts to isolate Russia.  Pointing all our pipelines in the same direction is like putting all our eggs in one basket.

But yeah if Ottawa tries to legislate a pipeline thru BC you bet it would be subject to the notwithstanding clause just like everything else.  But hey you go test it in Quebec and see how it works out and get back to us on that.

The federal government buying its way thru BC is not the same as legislating its way thru which is what we actually saw with Trans Mountain.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

I will probably have to get the crayons out to explain it more simply than that, were you able to follow that at all?

Yup, it reads just like my 6 year old grandson might word things.

Edited November 27, 2025 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Should be easy peasy in Quebec then.

Yeah, quebec isn't actually between alberta and bc, but sure.    

Legally its quite easy.  Pollitically the libs would never get elected again.  

 

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I'd rather see it stay in the ground but if it absolutely must be sold it makes sense to open Alberta up to markets in all directions. Europe needs it and selling it that way dovetails nicely with efforts to isolate Russia.  Pointing all our pipelines in the same direction is like putting all our eggs in one basket.

Agreed, I think that honestly going to Hudson's bay or the east coast would make more sense

But as i've said i think alberta tried to play a game and got played.  They took the 'easy' pipeline to the bc coast, a lot of the preliminary work showing it's feasabile has been done,  and demanded a pipeline. I think Smith thought the libs would not deliver and she could say she was SOOOO stabbed in the back because carney had promised 

But carney outplayed her and said "no problem!!!"   And then he pulled the "as long as bc agrees". NOw if it doesn't happen it's not HIS fault 

And he'll have put in a bunch of other things about 'carbon capture' and the like and when she says "well you could FORCE bc" he can say "well you don't want ottawa forcing provinces to do stuff you don't like do you? i mean... what if i did that to you? Anyway, solve all the other problems on my list and then we can worry about it"

but the problems can't be sovled without a real proponent and she won't get one till he promises the pipeline will go through which he won't as long as bc is saying no 

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But yeah if Ottawa tries to legislate a pipeline thru BC you bet it would be subject to the notwithstanding clause just like everything else. 

You have no idea what the notwithstanding clause is do you. LIke, none. Sigh. It hurts to watch you be that dumb.  No, no the notwithstanding clause will not be a part of it. Groan 

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But hey you go test it in Quebec and see how it works out and get back to us on that.

Why?

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The federal government buying its way thru BC is not the same as legislating its way thru which is what we actually saw with Trans Mountain.

Nope.

THey bought what they could, legislated the rest.  They have that authority

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Yup, it reads just like my 6 year old grandson might word things.

Yeah, that's about the level of reader i was shooting for but i was a little worried it might be over your head  

[eyeball]

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You have no idea what the notwithstanding clause is do you.

I have a better idea now. You're right it can't be used to stop a pipeline so I guess it'll be up to, environmental regulations, protestors, 1st nations and courts.

It'll be a long long battle... hopefully long enough that by the time it's all in place cheaper alternatives will have pushed oil prices into the basement.

Everyone would be way better off investing the billions pipelines will cost into developing alternatives.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

I have a better idea now. You're right it can't be used to stop a pipeline so I guess it'll be up to, environmental regulations, protestors, 1st nations and courts.

All of which would prove useless from a legal point of view if the gov't wants to push it through.  Probably wouldn't even slow it down much.

BUT... it would hurt them politically quite a bit.  And that's why Carney is jerking Smith's chain along. He's making it sound like he's totally backing her pipeline bid to win support from albertians and those on the center center-right, while at the same time poisoning the well so the project will likely never happen to keep the enviro freaks in his caucus and amongst his supporters happy. 

He's said "sure, pipeline! But we can't step on provincial wishes either, you wouldn't want the feds to tell the provinces what to do would you, ms 'alberta hates being trampled by the feds', right?   So go work it out with eby and the first nations and THEN we'll proceed!  (there'll be a few other hurdles in there too just in case she somehow nails that one), 

And of course he announced the 'veto' just before she's supposed to appear with him (tomorrow) to say how great he and this deal is for alberta   Snicker! Too late for her to back out, so she'll have a tough time saying he should push it through when she signed the deal knowing he felt that way  

Carney is many things but  you have to hand it to him or his handlers, he put this little trap together very well. There isn't going to be a pipeline any time soon, but he's neutered her ability to complain about it for a while. 

[Shady]

16 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

He’s a pro-china stooge because he doesn’t want a pipeline for exporting oil to china?

No, he's sending a billion dollars to China to build boats for BC.  

On 11/23/2025 at 12:23 AM, eyeball said:

Oh good that should make it easy to punch it thru Quebec instead.

That should be done as well.

[Nefarious Banana]

Eby . . . egg on face?

[eyeball]

I think all Carney, Smith and don't forget Moe have accomplished from BCs perspective is to alienate us. I get at least a little sense of how Ukrainians must feel with Trump and Putin telling them what their fate will be.

2029 before shovels hit the ground and 2040 before the pipeline is even built apparently.  No doubt it'll be more like 2050 or 60 the way Canada rolls. Probably about the time the first kitchen counter top Mr Fusion power generators roll out.

Of course if it was Quebec it would be more like 3060.

[Nefarious Banana]

What has Eby done for BC?

He and his crew took big raises,

pissed awat Horgan's surplus,

saddled the province with a huge debt.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I think all Carney, Smith and don't forget Moe have accomplished from BCs perspective is to alienate us. I get at least a little sense of how Ukrainians must feel with Trump and Putin telling them what their fate will be.

2029 before shovels hit the ground and 2040 before the pipeline is even built apparently.  No doubt it'll be more like 2050 or 60 the way Canada rolls. Probably about the time the first kitchen counter top Mr Fusion power generators roll out.

Of course if it was Quebec it would be more like 3060.

its such an obvious snub that it makes me feel like its part of Carney's plan to poison the well for the pipeline. He invites moe to the talks but not eby? It's hard to imagine a way to make the already slightly neurotic Eby even more defensive and angry. And there is almost no way possible to make first nations more angry than you do by excluding them from negotiations and deciding things behind their backs.

I think the rest of British Columbia is not opposed to Pipelines but I don't think they're radically in favor of it either, so you're going to get a group of people who are rabidly opposed on one side And a group of people who aren't really that worried one way or another on the other side.

We'll see but I have a strong feeling that this time next year when we look around there won't be any pipelines that are actually in the process of being built

30 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

What has Eby done for BC?

He and his crew took big raises,

pissed awat Horgan's surplus,

saddled the province with a huge debt.

 

And he only won the election by like one seat or something so I mean he's already going to be desperate to appeal to his base to try and hold it together for the next election so that he's not just a one-term wonder. It's hard to imagine a deal they could put in front of him that would make him say yes to this project and carney is saying the province has to say yes. Unless he changes his mind I just don't see this moving forward