Suspected Terrorists Arrested in Toronto

[Smallc]

Why should people get double or triple credit? It doesn't make any sense at all.

[GostHacked]

Did Canada get an oil deal as well??? (See : Lockerbie Bomber)

[eyeball]

Why should people get double or triple credit? It doesn't make any sense at all.

Its become a convenient way of maintaining a certain level of outrage on which to build political fortunes don't you think? To me it just seems like one long drawn out galvanizing event. I admit I'm just as frustrated by our governments unprincipled approach to justice as any conservative. That said I think the overweening morality that conservatives bring to justice is at the root of our problems.

[Smallc]

What does that have to do with double and triple time?

[eyeball]

See Keepitsimple's post, then ba1614's and other comments in other threads in this forum that call for introducing or reintroducing is more like it, the sort of inhumane conditions that gave rise to the development of double and triple time in the first place.

Isn't this the quintessential nature of conservatism - lets return to the ways of the old even if those ways led us to where we are today? That really doesn't make any sense.

And now conservatives want to overcrowd our prisons and clog up our justice system even more than it already is in a resurgant new campaign against pot. Talk about passe.

[Smallc]

There's no purpose for it though. Even when there were prison problems it didn't make sense.....it especially doesn't now that it has become the norm. The sentence that is handed down is what should be stuck to.

Edited September 4, 2009 by Smallc

[bush_cheney2004]

....And now conservatives want to overcrowd our prisons and clog up our justice system even more than it already is in a resurgant new campaign against pot. Talk about passe.

Point of order please: Cannabis was first banned in Canada in 1923 under the Opium and Drug Act....the ruling party was led by Liberal Mackenzie King, IIRC.

[eyeball]

Point of order please: Cannabis was first banned in Canada in 1923 under the Opium and Drug Act....the ruling party was led by Liberal Mackenzie King, IIRC.

I said conservative not Conservative.

[bush_cheney2004]

I said conservative not Conservative.

....and I said Liberal not liberal.

[eyeball]

There's no purpose for it though. Even when there were prison problems it didn't make sense.....it especially doesn't now that it has become the norm. The sentence that is handed down is what should be stuck to.

That'll likely only result in more hand-wringing and shorter sentances being handed out. You can't get away from or disregard the hand-wringing. I suppose people will always try by highlighting any case that easily offends and hope for a galvanizing event but this doesn't really seem to solve anything in the long run. It just makes people more cynical, usually conservatives.

[eyeball]

....and I said Liberal not liberal.

I find there's usually a world of difference between these too, a perennialy shifting changing difference I might add.

Edited September 4, 2009 by eyeball

[Smallc]

That'll likely only result in more hand-wringing and shorter sentances being handed out.

Fine, do that instead.

[wulf42]

And now conservatives want to overcrowd our prisons and clog up our justice system even more than it already is in a resurgant new campaign against pot. Talk about passe.

That is why summary execution should be used for people such as this terrorist animal!

[eyeball]

That is why summary execution should be used for people such as this terrorist animal!

You'd bring in the death penalty just to make room for potheads?

[Oleg Bach]

That is why summary execution should be used for people such as this terrorist animal!

When our "intelligence" community has to supply a "domestic terrorist cell" - with useless boxes of false nitrates - entrapping the little jerks - and playing them for all it's worth.. BUT in the alternative - what would the out come have been IF they managed to blow up the exchange? Worst part in my mind is handing over a million bucks plus to some informant who in effect - assisted in the developement of the terror plan by what was plainly a bunch of young novices. - The whole matter was an embarrassing mess - but we like the Scots - showed compassion and grace to those who seeked to destroy us - I just hope the lunitics will learn that our old Christian doctrine of mercy is a thing of value.....but again - you can show grace to your local drug addicts - and the bastard will still rob your house. So what are we to do - be mean and cruel as a way of life - or try to maintain our civility even if it puts us in occassional peril? It's difficult - to balance the sytem - but our courts - seem to have struck a balance.

[Oleg Bach]

That is why summary execution should be used for people such as this terrorist animal!

Hey calm down and look at yourself - We if you include us with the former Bushites did a good job destroying the most ancient civilization on earth - putting Iraq and Afghanistan back in the stone age - that is terrific and would make us "terrorist animals' also - so there are none without sin in these situations - Mankind is a war like and violent species - we have been terrorizing each other for fun and profit for thousands of years. So you can rant all you want like we are special and civlized - we are not..we are just like them - Just more powerful - Look at the upcoming air show in Toronto - They fly these 30 million dollar killing machines over my house, practicing for the big show --- they creep me out...Yes they are impressive machines - and I would be terrified if one was sent to destroy my neighbourhood....point being - established and powerful western terrorists are respectable - the poor guys are not!

[Remiel]

I would tend to agree that the double and triple credit should be done away with. I'd go a step further and say that in terms of acts of terrorism or planned terrorism you should get no credit and no parole. Terrorism is a vastly different creature then most other domestic crimes. We're talking mass murder, and one of his intended targets was CSIS headquarters which in my mind is tantamount to treason.

While no parole could be argued for, I do not think no credit is a well defendable position. No one is "sentenced" to trial. And it is a decent way to deal with the right to a speedy trial in a slow system.

Edited September 4, 2009 by Remiel

[Jack Weber]

I have a solution for this traitor,and fanatic of the "Religion of Peace"....

Once his prison term is up he should be immediately conscripted into the armed forces and then sent to the front lines where he can see the righteousness of the Taliban firsthand.He should then be told to shoulder a gun and fight or be shot for treason on site...

[Hydraboss]

I have a solution for this traitor,and fanatic of the "Religion of Peace"....

Once his prison term is up he should be immediately conscripted into the armed forces and then sent to the front lines where he can see the righteousness of the Taliban firsthand.He should then be told to shoulder a gun and fight or be shot for treason on site...

Nah. Too easy.

No trial. No sentence. We should take him to Afghanistan, buy him an expensive house in an affluent part of town, and leave right after having about a dozen Canadian and US soldiers shake his hand in broad daylight.

Then we should be able to call it even.

[Oleg Bach]

There was no serious terrorist problem prior 911 - the big mistake was running off wildly to the wrong place looking for a profitable war - instead of going to the financers, that facilitated the attack - who were in Saudi Arabia - still no one has addressed this real threat - the jerks that put up the money were not even approached by the west - so terror increased when the Bushites went of half cocked and crazed - to get vengence in the wrong place - because the wrong place was profitable. WE in the west stimulated the growth of hate...a hate that trippled in intensity the more we abused those in the east - what do you expect - we create a monster to some degree - and we are suddenly surprised when these monsters turn on us?

[Wild Bill]

There was no serious terrorist problem prior 911 - the big mistake was running off wildly to the wrong place looking for a profitable war - instead of going to the financers, that facilitated the attack - who were in Saudi Arabia - still no one has addressed this real threat - the jerks that put up the money were not even approached by the west - so terror increased when the Bushites went of half cocked and crazed - to get vengence in the wrong place - because the wrong place was profitable. WE in the west stimulated the growth of hate...a hate that trippled in intensity the more we abused those in the east - what do you expect - we create a monster to some degree - and we are suddenly surprised when these monsters turn on us?

Oleg, if we had done it your way every car in North America would have been stopped in its tracks! We simply could not lose the supply of Saudi oil and all its Middle East allies at the drop of a hat.

Like it or not, people have to get to work. Food and products has to be trucked around. Or we starve! Period and end of story!

Why do you think that the US and China are setting up deals for our oil sands oil? Why do you think there is such a big push on for hybrids and electric cars? The Toyota Prius apparently has become the number one seller in Japan. What do you think this trend is going to do to the demand for Saudi oil?

We've been talking about solar and wind power for 30 years. Why do you think we are finally starting to get serious about it? Did we decide it would be nice to be 'green' all of a sudden?

It seems obvious that the West has finally seen the light about the Middle East. It's just that it takes some time to make the necessary changes.

Thank God we didn't do it your way! I've got kids to feed.

Edited September 4, 2009 by Wild Bill

[Keepitsimple]

While no parole could be argued for, I do not think no credit is a well defendable position. No one is "sentenced" to trial. And it is a decent way to deal with the right to a speedy trial in a slow system.

As I mentioned in my post, the reason for double and triple time dates by to thye "hardship" caused by being incarcerated in the Don Jail - agreeably a terrible place at the time with overcrowding and overall bad conditions.......but there are very few if any Don Jails. Most holding centers are nice - as far as jails go....but judges still hand out 2 or 1 and 3 for 1 and the original principal of the Don Jail has been lost. I'll heartily agree that if someone is held in conditions that are obviously worse that a regular prison - then they should be considered for some sort of credit - but not as much as 2 for 1.....but how nice does it have to be - it's supposed to a prison for God's sake - not a hotel....are they getting fed? Can they take a shower? Can they stretch their legs?

[Oleg Bach]

Oleg, if we had done it your way every car in North America would have been stopped in its tracks! We simply could not lose the supply of Saudi oil and all its Middle East allies at the drop of a hat.

Like it or not, people have to get to work. Food and products has to be trucked around. Or we starve! Period and end of story!

Why do you think that the US and China are setting up deals for our oil sands oil? Why do you think there is such a big push on for hybrids and electric cars? The Toyota Prius apparently has become the number one seller in Japan. What do you think this trend is going to do to the demand for Saudi oil?

We've been talking about solar and wind power for 30 years. Why do you think we are finally starting to get serious about it? Did we decide it would be nice to be 'green' all of a sudden?

It seems obvious that the West has finally seen the light about the Middle East. It's just that it takes some time to make the necessary changes.

Thank God we didn't do it your way! I've got kids to feed.

Your kids would have survived no matter what- now what you have is the fact that people who did it YOUR way, show the kids that honour is a thing of the past - and that money is more important than human rights - You let your kids down in the long run - If someone comes in and kills 3000 citizens as was done in 911 - you do not run off in the opposite direction - you go to the source and take them out - right to the Kindom Of Saudi - and you set the sodomist sadist princes right - sometimes you have to go for broke - now we still submit to these smiling evil Mercedes driving tweets with their little beards and evil little eyes - I say kick them in the face for what they did - and steal their damned oil.

[Remiel]

As I mentioned in my post, the reason for double and triple time dates by to thye "hardship" caused by being incarcerated in the Don Jail - agreeably a terrible place at the time with overcrowding and overall bad conditions.......but there are very few if any Don Jails. Most holding centers are nice - as far as jails go....but judges still hand out 2 or 1 and 3 for 1 and the original principal of the Don Jail has been lost. I'll heartily agree that if someone is held in conditions that are obviously worse that a regular prison - then they should be considered for some sort of credit - but not as much as 2 for 1.....but how nice does it have to be - it's supposed to a prison for God's sake - not a hotel....are they getting fed? Can they take a shower? Can they stretch their legs?

Perhaps I should have been more clear in saying that "no credit" meant "no 1 for 1 credit". Ultimately, time spent not in the outside world is equal. Being in a nice holding center does not make you live twice as long as if you are in an average prison. It is still time spent behind bars, for which there must be 1 for 1 credit at the minimum.

[Topaz]

Yes the Liberals have pushed our once great country to the point it is now.......the Liberals

have about as much chance of getting in power as Haley's comet hitting the Earth!

Not haley's but there something big coming towards earth May 2012, will take out half of the population of earth.