Carney and Ford bromance on the rocks over Trump, autos

[CdnFox]

Carney and Ford had a bromance but Trump is coming between them | Toronto Sun

Ford worked hard for Carney during the election. He sent his attack dog to hurt the conservatives, he basically said he'd rather have Carney and then gushed about carney when the election was over so hard you had to wonder if he had his poster up in his room. 

Now carney has thrown him under the bus.  Carney gave up autos to the us and that's clear. He's done little for steel and it sounds like the best he might do is get a small amount of steel tariff free to the states and then heavy tariffs after the quota, which will keep the industry suffering. 

Ford has just learned a valuable lesson about trusting liberals.  The guys' 90 percent liberal himself these days anyway, getting screwed over looks good on him. It's just too bad his province will suffer as well. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Trump is the problem there. He clearly wants to destroy our auto industry and doesn’t care how much that hurts his own country. 

BTW where is the BC lumber thread? Surely a pressing national issue. Is this going to be the last forum in the world without a search function? Is there a prize for that or something? 
 

Edited October 15, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Trump is the problem there. He clearly wants to destroy our auto industry and doesn’t care how much that hurts his own country. 

 

And carney said he could deal with that. Ford believed carney would be 'elbows up' and not sell out the car industry.  Ford as you know is extremely pro-retaliation in trade wars and backed off on his own retaliation at carney's request because carney said he could handle it. 

Now carney appears to have given up on the automotive sector and is throwing it under the bus. Trump will get what he wants without a fight.  Ford just realized carney is NOT what he said he was, he can't get it done and will happily sell out the auto industry. 

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BTW where is the BC lumber thread? Surely a pressing national issue. Is this going to be the last forum in the world without a search function? Is there a prize for that or something? 

LOL  well we did have one when the new tariffs on lumber and such were announced but i'm not sure where it is (my guess is still in canada national?)  

We HAD a search function but apperently it was causing issues. Greg will get it fixed when he gets it fixed i guess, it's not like we can threaten to withhold our monthly subscription fees  

[CdnFox]

More bad news for ontario 

Stellantis says it will invest $13B to expand its U.S. operations, adding more than 5,000 jobs | CBC News

 

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Trump is the problem there. He clearly wants to destroy our auto industry and doesn’t care how much that hurts his own country. 

BTW where is the BC lumber thread? Surely a pressing national issue. Is this going to be the last forum in the world without a search function? Is there a prize for that or something? 
 

There was a search function, but it's gone now. Has been for close to a year

That's good for leftists. Nothing that you ever posted aged well. 

[WestCanMan]

Ford can go straight to hell and I will wave pom-poms. 

Nothing that ever happens to that guy will be considered "too bad" in my books. 

I will vote Green if he becomes the leader of the federal conservatives. 

[Zeitgeist]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

More bad news for ontario 

Stellantis says it will invest $13B to expand its U.S. operations, adding more than 5,000 jobs | CBC News

 

Since the prairie provinces want Carney to lift tariffs on Chinese EV’s so that China will remove tariffs from potash, why not make the lifting of tariffs on Chinese EV’s conditional on China having joint EV ventures with Canadian suppliers/workers, so that surplussed workers from companies like Stellantis, GM, and Stelco can be put to work in new EV production?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Ford can go straight to hell and I will wave pom-poms. 

Nothing that ever happens to that guy will be considered "too bad" in my books. 

I will vote Green if he becomes the leader of the federal conservatives. 

Unfortunately it looks like he's taking ontario with him. And he seems powerless to do anything about it now

Ford responds to Stellantis' decision to shift production to U.S.

 

 

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Since the prairie provinces want Carney to lift tariffs on Chinese EV’s so that China will remove tariffs from potash, why not make the lifting of tariffs on Chinese EV’s conditional on China having joint EV ventures with Canadian suppliers/workers, so that surplussed workers from companies like Stellantis, GM, and Stelco can be put to work in new EV production?

It just males sense and i have to wonder if some talks like that aren't already going on behind the scenes.  Carney is supposed to meet with their leader soon 

[Zeitgeist]

48 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Unfortunately it looks like he's taking ontario with him. And he seems powerless to do anything about it now

Ford responds to Stellantis' decision to shift production to U.S.

 

 

It just males sense and i have to wonder if some talks like that aren't already going on behind the scenes.  Carney is supposed to meet with their leader soon 

Canada has to walk the tightrope as always of keeping the dominance of the U.S. at bay enough to chart some kind of independence.  It used to do this through multilateralism, but if our other partners are caving into Trump, we basically have to lean into our privileged access to continental partners or really try to branch out away from the U.S. to non-traditional partners.  Long term China may work if we approach it as we did with Japan, requiring a certain amount of Canadian content in vehicle production to access the Canadian market with lower tariffs or at all.  The U.S. won’t like it, but if they won’t lift their sectoral tariffs on steel, aluminum and autos, we have no choice, and at least for now China might be the more stable and predictable player.  They’re certainly not shying away from confronting Trump on tariffs, unlike our wimpy allies.

I still think the best move for Canada is an economic union with the U.S.   it’s practical and will boost prosperity in both countries, but I don’t see leaders coming with bold creative solutions that will stir the masses in both countries.  It’s just more going cap in hand and grovelling. Joint production with China is at least an alternative from watching our exports to the US shrink.  

Edited October 15, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[herbie]

Use it to your advantage Doug. Tell Stellantis you'll seize Stellantis's Brampton Jeep plant and hand it to BYD.
Donnie Diapers doesn't want anything to do with EVs (they'renot noisy enough to make his wattles wag) and no factory here is competing in that segment of the market.

[Zeitgeist]

Certainly Canada getting into mass EV production would give us an early adapter advantage.  

[LinkSoul60]

17 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

BTW where is the BC lumber thread? Surely a pressing national issue. Is this going to be the last forum in the world without a search function? Is there a prize for that or something? 

The strange fascination that many 'Canadians' here have for Trump won't allow them to comment... until they find a reason why the new tariffs on softwood lumber are Carney's or Trudeau's fault.

 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Since the prairie provinces want Carney to lift tariffs on Chinese EV’s so that China will remove tariffs from potash, why not make the lifting of tariffs on Chinese EV’s conditional on China having joint EV ventures with Canadian suppliers/workers, so that surplussed workers from companies like Stellantis, GM, and Stelco can be put to work in new EV production?

If EVs are "saving the world", then what sense does it make to have tariffs on them in the first place? 

It's kind of like a "kill the planet" or an "I don't trust the science" tax lol. 

Dropping tariffs on Amaerica's competitors doesn't sound like a bad idea right now anyways. If the US gov't is demanding that they get to produce all of the vehicles made in North America, then I am 100% in favour of buying from anywhere else, and that includes Russia, China, and even from Satan's Motor Vehicle Company, if he starts one up. 

[Zeitgeist]

21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If EVs are "saving the world", then what sense does it make to have tariffs on them in the first place? 

It's kind of like a "kill the planet" or an "I don't trust the science" tax lol. 

Dropping tariffs on Amaerica's competitors doesn't sound like a bad idea right now anyways. If the US gov't is demanding that they get to produce all of the vehicles made in North America, then I am 100% in favour of buying from anywhere else, and that includes Russia, China, and even from Satan's Motor Vehicle Company, if he starts one up. 

But people need good middle class incomes to buy these products.  That’s why maintaining an auto sector is important.  Great if we can get EVs cheap, but much better if we can produce them and buy what we produce. If that makes EVs a bit more expensive, they’ll still be cheaper than most cars, and a higher price for vehicles resulting from some domestic production or assembly will keep them from throwing our existing auto manufacturing out of business.  Jobs and wages are what matter most. Trump knows this.  The other option is, be part of the U.S. and pay no tariffs.  We should seriously ask ourselves how much our “independence” is worth or if it’s really independence we have.  I’m honestly not sure statehood wouldn’t give us more than we have now.  I also know most Canadians won’t go for it, so here we are.  

Edited October 15, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

But people need good middle class incomes to buy these products.  That’s why maintaining an auto sector is important.  Great if we can get EVs cheap, but much better if we can produce them and buy what we produce.  If that makes EVs a bit more expensive, they’ll still be cheaper than most cars and a higher price for vehicles resulting from some domestic production or assembly will keep them from throwing our existing auto manufacturing out of business.  Jobs and wages are what matter most.  Trump knows this.  

I'm not doubting that it's important to keep high-paying manufacturing jobs here, but our class-clowns don't seem capable of winning that battle. Judging by the way they treat our energy sector, it's surprising that they're even trying. 

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

The strange fascination that many 'Canadians' here have for Trump won't allow them to comment... until they find a reason why the new tariffs on softwood lumber are Carney's or Trudeau's fault.

 

oh look who's lying again. As I noted we did have a threat about it. And you can certainly start one if you want it

But instead you prefer to lie and allow your hatred and bigotry to run amok.

Yes another leftist twat who shakes his fist at any facts he doesn't like 🙄🙄🙄

[Legato]

32 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

The strange fascination that many 'Canadians' here have for Trump won't allow them to comment... until they find a reason why the new tariffs on softwood lumber are Carney's or Trudeau's fault.

 

You seem to have a strange fascination for Trump, the name always appears in your posts.

Fascinating.

[Zeitgeist]

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm not doubting that it's important to keep high-paying manufacturing jobs here, but our class-clowns don't seem capable of winning that battle. Judging by the way they treat our energy sector, it's surprising that they're even trying. 

I think Carney laid down too soon.  I supported Ford’s approach, but the US economy is growing well and has enough data to justify its trade wars so far.  In an economic battle with the U.S., Canada pays a higher price and the costs of less economic dependence on the U.S. are also high.  We’re basically paying a massive tax for distinctly Canadian values and independence that aren’t well defined or very different from American values and independence.  Integrated with the US, a Canadian’s vote would have the same value as an American one.  The problem is that Canada wouldn’t be like any other state culturally and in terms of geographic scale and resources. Canada can’t be a 51st state. It might be ten states and three territories or at minimum four states and territories. It’s too messy to scrap Canada as a nation.  Better to have an economic union and over time remove duplication of departments and policies.  Until Canadians and Americans have unlimited access to each other’s markets, resources, and jobs, plus the ability to live and work anywhere in both countries, we’ll continue this anxious battle for access.

Edited October 15, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[LinkSoul60]

48 minutes ago, Legato said:

You seem to have a strange fascination for Trump, the name always appears in your posts.

Fascinating.

A fascination that minions like you adore him while he tries to break our economy.  

Not that fascinating actually...

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

A fascination that minions like you adore him while he tries to break our economy.  

 

You misspelled "Feverish delusion"  

Do you still have the pin up poster for trump in your bedroom?

[Legato]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

A fascination that minions like you adore him while he tries to break our economy.  

Not that fascinating actually...

There is no economy left to break, your heartthrob the Carney has gifted it all to Brookfield Asset Management.

Fascinating.

[SpankyMcFarland]

4 hours ago, Legato said:

You seem to have a strange fascination for Trump, the name always appears in your posts.

Fascinating.

Our country is being attacked by him constantly. It’s hard to ignore. 

[LinkSoul60]

14 minutes ago, Legato said:

There is no economy left to break, your heartthrob the Carney has gifted it all to Brookfield Asset Management.

Fascinating.

Excellent... It's in my portfolio.

How do you think Poilievre would have had this resolved by now... what would it look like. Trump's hell bent on the auto, steel, aluminum, lumber, and furniture industries. Think Poilievre would have talked us out of all that?

[Legato]

2 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Our country is being attacked by him constantly. It’s hard to ignore. 

The problem is not Trump it's us, red tape, taxes, "leadership" (or lack thereof) that keeps getting in our way.

Trumps not helping, but blaming him for everything that's wrong with Canada is infantile.

5 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Excellent... It's in my portfolio.

How do you think Poilievre would have had this resolved by now... what would it look like. Trump's hell bent on the auto, steel, aluminum, lumber, and furniture industries. Think Poilievre would have talked us out of all that?

Goalposts.

[LinkSoul60]

12 minutes ago, Legato said:

The problem is not Trump it's us, red tape, taxes, "leadership" (or lack thereof) that keeps getting in our way.

Trumps not helping, but blaming him for everything that's wrong with Canada is infantile.

Goalposts.

So, no answer... didn't think so.

Listen to yourself... Trump's not the problem then it's Trump's not helping. Trump's the ONLY reason we have tariffs that are hurting those industries and people who work in them.  

Nobody is disputing we have problems. That's why Trudeau stepped down and we elected another PM 6 months ago. If you think it took 10 years to break the country then you'd also think it has to take longer than 6 months to fix it, wouldn't you. 

Goalposts indeed...