Carney and Ford bromance on the rocks over Trump, autos

[SpankyMcFarland]

12 hours ago, Legato said:

The problem is not Trump it's us, red tape, taxes, "leadership" (or lack thereof) that keeps getting in our way.

Trumps not helping, but blaming him for everything that's wrong with Canada is infantile.

Goalposts.

He is attacking us. Please, face reality. Of course, I’m not blaming Trump for every problem we have, merely for what he is doing to us which he is choosing to do out of a mixture of stupidity and malice. 

 

Edited October 16, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[Legato]

11 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

So, no answer... didn't think so.

Listen to yourself... Trump's not the problem then it's Trump's not helping. Trump's the ONLY reason we have tariffs that are hurting those industries and people who work in them.  

Nobody is disputing we have problems. That's why Trudeau stepped down and we elected another PM 6 months ago. If you think it took 10 years to break the country then you'd also think it has to take longer than 6 months to fix it, wouldn't you. 

Goalposts indeed...

 

No answer says the guy whose repetitive answer is I hate Trump. Wood see trees.

[Legato]

12 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

He is attacking us. Please, face reality. Of course, I’m not blaming Trump for every problem we have, merely for what he is doing to us which he is choosing to do out of a mixture of stupidity and malice. 

 

Yes he is, and yes you are blaming Trump for every problem.

Canada was was in dire straits when Biden was in office and along came the Carney who was (behind the scenes) advising Trudeau for many years.

Trumps doing what he thinks is right for America, the Carney is doing what is right for himself. Do try to see the difference.

 

[Zeitgeist]

Trump is just acting on pure national interest.  You can argue whether his policies are good in the long term for the U.S., but as citizens of Canada we have no ability to apply political pressure on him or any US political parties to any significant degree, except through counter tariffs and boycotts of U.S. products.  These measures do influence politicians in places like Tennessee where bourbon sales are down, but on a national level these pressures are just a few more competing interests among many others for the US.  Canada feels more impact from these trade barriers than the US.  We need to think about what would make us better off and prevent us from being impacted by self-interested US policy, but we can only really influence Canadian politicians and policy. Trump’s moves just highlight that and he knows it. He said he would apply economic pressure for exactly this reason.

What he may only now be realizing is that many Canadians are willing to take an economic hit for the sake of sovereignty, so unless these trade barriers are really helping the U.S., they may not make Canadians want to integrate into the U.S.   In fact, the opposite may be the case, where Canadians seek less involvement with the U.S.   That’s why we need a realistic plan that the citizens of both countries can support.  USMCA is really the status quo and I don’t see any inspiring new proposals.  

Edited October 16, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[LinkSoul60]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

No answer says the guy whose repetitive answer is I hate Trump. Wood see trees.

Minion - a survile follower... which is you to a tee

Won't and/or can't answer questions, can't think for yourself...  a waste of time

[SpankyMcFarland]

3 hours ago, Legato said:

Yes he is, and yes you are blaming Trump for every problem.

Canada was was in dire straits when Biden was in office and along came the Carney who was (behind the scenes) advising Trudeau for many years.

Trumps doing what he thinks is right for America, the Carney is doing what is right for himself. Do try to see the difference.

 

I am blaming Trump for his actions. Look at what I just wrote in the previous sentence. And, yes, I am speaking as a Canadian and make no apology for that. 

Is this place filled with badly programmed bots or something? 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Minion - a survile follower... which is you to a tee

Won't and/or can't answer questions, can't think for yourself...  a waste of time

LOL awww look at that Legato, you've hurt his feelings with facts and things he can't argue  

M0r0n   a person having low intelligence or an intellectual disability.  which is linksoul to a t   

[Legato]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I am blaming Trump for his actions. Look at what I just wrote in the previous sentence. And, yes, I am speaking as a Canadian and make no apology for that. 

Is this place filled with badly programmed bots or something? 

Don't get snarky when someone points out the obvious. Yes Trumps a problem but much of Canada's problems lie with the Liberal government. Why are you in denial?

You sir seem to programmed with Liberal ideology, and badly at that.

 

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

LOL awww look at that Legato, you've hurt his feelings with facts and things he can't argue  

M0r0n   a person having low intelligence or an intellectual disability.  which is linksoul to a t   

I quit responding to his puerile nonsense. A broken record plays a much better tune.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I am blaming Trump for his actions. Look at what I just wrote in the previous sentence. And, yes, I am speaking as a Canadian and make no apology for that. 

Is this place filled with badly programmed bots or something? 

It's filled with people who have a peculiar emotional need to see Carney/Trudeau taking the blame for Trump's aggressiveness towards Canada.

It's a patently stupid ideological/partisan agenda that puts stickin' it to libbies over and above any national or common sense interest.

It reminds me of the blame Ukraine gets for Putin's invasion of their country.

Edited October 16, 2025 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's filled with people who have a peculiar emotional need to see Carney/Trudeau taking the blame for Trump's aggressiveness towards Canada.

Whereas you blame harper right?  

The fact that canada is weak is 100 percent the liberals fault.  the fact that trump sees carney as a pushover who will give him whatever he wants is carney's fault. 

Other places have worked out deals they can live with, we're going into recession and business is fleeing. 

Carney was SPECIFICALLY ELECTED because he said he could deal with this. 

It's Carney's failure and the liberal gov't before him.  Trump has always been trump. 

[Legato]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's filled with people who have a peculiar emotional need to see Carney/Trudeau taking the blame for Trump's aggressiveness towards Canada.

It's a patently stupid ideological/partisan agenda that puts stickin' it to libbies over and above any national or common sense interest.

It reminds me of the blame Ukraine gets for Putin's invasion of their country.

Obfuscation is thy petard to be hoisted on. Maybe the boom will lift over the goalposts you dearly love.

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Carney was SPECIFICALLY ELECTED because he said he could deal with this. 

No, it was mostly because he wasn't Poilievre.

Why not blame Harper for that too if it makes you feel better. LMAO!

 

 

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, Legato said:

Obfuscation is thy petard to be hoisted on. Maybe the boom will lift over the goalposts you dearly love.

Disingenuousness is yours and it boots you out of the park every time.

[Legato]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Disingenuousness is yours and it boots you out of the park every time.

About what, goalposts again?

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, Legato said:

About what, goalposts again?

If you say so, it's your tangent you're off on.

If there's really something you don't get point it out. Bring a dictionary.

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

No, it was mostly because he wasn't Poilievre.

 

 

 

No, that's a lie and you're well aware of it. The polls were quite clear

This is what I mean. You constantly spout obvious lies. And then you cry like a baby when nobody believes you.

[LinkSoul60]

20 hours ago, Legato said:

Don't get snarky when someone points out the obvious. Yes Trumps a problem but much of Canada's problems lie with the Liberal government. Why are you in denial?

You sir seem to programmed with Liberal ideology, and badly at that.

 

I quit responding to his puerile nonsense. A broken record plays a much better tune.

You quit responding because you can't answer simple questions that conflict with your right wing devotion. Minions don't think, they just follow...  High fives with little buddy CdnFox 😂

[ExFlyer]

Back on topic......

Now is the time to talk': Carney rules out hitting the U.S. with retaliatory tariffs

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/time-talk-carney-rules-hitting-163505856.html

"Prime Minister Mark Carney said Thursday his government is not considering hitting American goods with more retaliatory tariffs, even as the trade war rages on, because there are signs that the bilateral talks on relief are headed in the right direction."

"While the so-called Section 232 tariffs on steel, aluminum, lumber and autos have been particularly punitive, most other Canadian goods continue to trade into the U.S. tariff-free. Carney has so far maintained tariffs on most U.S. steel, aluminum and certain auto imports as he holds out for a deal."

"Carney said he would brief Ford on the progress of those talks, which have been centered on the steel, aluminum and energy sectors, including a possible revival of the Keystone XL pipeline."

If PP would get his security clearance, he would also get briefings like Ford will get

 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Back on topic......

Now is the time to talk': Carney rules out hitting the U.S. with retaliatory tariffs

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/time-talk-carney-rules-hitting-163505856.html

"Prime Minister Mark Carney said Thursday his government is not considering hitting American goods with more retaliatory tariffs, even as the trade war rages on, because there are signs that the bilateral talks on relief are headed in the right direction."

"While the so-called Section 232 tariffs on steel, aluminum, lumber and autos have been particularly punitive, most other Canadian goods continue to trade into the U.S. tariff-free. Carney has so far maintained tariffs on most U.S. steel, aluminum and certain auto imports as he holds out for a deal."

"Carney said he would brief Ford on the progress of those talks, which have been centered on the steel, aluminum and energy sectors, including a possible revival of the Keystone XL pipeline."

If PP would get his security clearance, he would also get briefings like Ford will get

 

 

That's a lovely article explaining why he's down on his knees with his trousers down and his mouth open.

Now is not the time to talk. He's been talking now for over half a year and got nowhere. Trump is still putting additional tariffs on our industries right now. 

Carney has failed us in every way possible.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

That's a lovely article explaining why he's down on his knees with his trousers down and his mouth open.

Now is not the time to talk. He's been talking now for over half a year and got nowhere. Trump is still putting additional tariffs on our industries right now. 

Carney has failed us in every way possible.

The takeaway here is he is briefing Ford and not PP. If PP had his security clearance, PP would be in the know as well instead of constant uninformed whining.  LOL

If you think 1/2 a year discussing with Trump and his minions is easy...the entire world would be a lot farther ahead with trade deals than it is now.

And clearly you have no grasp of in camera negotiations LOL

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

The takeaway here is he is briefing Ford and not PP.

No the takeaway here is that he's telling ford but he is thrown ontario and the auto industry under the bus and has no intention of standing up for Canada. Nobody mentioned Poilievre

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If PP had his security clearance, PP would be in the know as well instead of constant uninformed whining.  LOL

But simply not true. As you grow up and leave your mother's basement you'll begin to understand how politics works but the negotiations aren't a matter of national security

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If you think 1/2 a year discussing with Trump and his minions is easy...the entire world would be a lot farther ahead with trade deals than it is now.

Carney said it would be easy. And the rest of the world is largely made peace with trump.

 

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And clearly you have no grasp of in camera negotiations LOL

Clearly you have no grasp of the fact that every month we get new tariffs and every month carney gives up something else that trump wants and that means we are failing.

Carney sold us out and it's continuing to sell us out. Ford is finding out the hard way the carney cares more about his relationship with trump than he does about ontario workers

[ExFlyer]

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No the takeaway here is that he's telling ford but he is thrown ontario and the auto industry under the bus and has no intention of standing up for Canada. Nobody mentioned Poilievre

But simply not true. As you grow up and leave your mother's basement you'll begin to understand how politics works but the negotiations aren't a matter of national security

Carney said it would be easy. And the rest of the world is largely made peace with trump.

 

Clearly you have no grasp of the fact that every month we get new tariffs and every month carney gives up something else that trump wants and that means we are failing.

Carney sold us out and it's continuing to sell us out. Ford is finding out the hard way the carney cares more about his relationship with trump than he does about ontario workers

You have no idea what he told Ford

Ahh  yes, typical confux...back to insulting people.

Yes, Trumps places new tariffs on the whole world every month or even more frequently...Canada is not special so we get them too.

Ford left the meeting knowing what was going on and, unlike PP who knows nothing about what is going on LOL

 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

You have no idea what he told Ford

I absolutely do, it's in the article.

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Ahh  yes, typical confux...back to insulting people.

You know the rule, if you act like a dink you get treated like a dink.  

 

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Yes, Trumps places new tariffs on the whole world every month or even more frequently...Canada is not special so we get them too.

No, we get some specifically. And the new tariffs don't apply to countries that he already did a deal with. So not the whole world at all.

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Ford left the meeting knowing what was going on and, unlike PP who knows nothing about what is going on LOL

And he's pissed about it. The rest of Canada is getting that way too. Carney is selling us out

[ExFlyer]

On 10/17/2025 at 8:17 PM, CdnFox said:

I absolutely do, it's in the article.

You know the rule, if you act like a dink you get treated like a dink.  

 

No, we get some specifically. And the new tariffs don't apply to countries that he already did a deal with. So not the whole world at all.

And he's pissed about it. The rest of Canada is getting that way too. Carney is selling us out

No it is not. A few bites but not the discussion.

The tariffs also do not affect anything that is under CUSMA. 

You deal with a bully and see how far you get LOL

So, we boycott American products, we take bourbon off the shelf....why do we not boycott Stelantis products?  Boycott all Chrysler products and see if Stelantis bows. 

[Legato]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

No it is not. A few bites but not the discussion.

The tariffs also do not affect anything that is under CUSMA. 

You deal with a bully and see how far you get LOL

So, we boycott American products, we take bourbon off the shelf....why do we not boycott Stelantis products?  Boycott all Chrysler products and see if Stelantis bows. 

To deal with a bully you punch him in the nose, the Carney can't do that, his elbows are in the way.

Stellantis left the sinking ship for Illinois when the compass broke and took their elbows with them.