Hamas Deal Part 2

[gatomontes99]

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USA Today

Trump says Israel and Hamas agreed on peace deal, hostages will be released 'very soon'

The first phase of the deal called for the release of Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinians jailed in Israel.

 

Let us see if this one holds. I am a little hopeful since Egypt is more involved and more invested than before.

 

[West]

Donnie used the power of tariffs to potentially end the war. Nobody trusts Hamas but goes to show the left wing would rather allow a war to continue than to give up their crusade to stop Trump. Sad

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, West said:

Donnie used the power of tariffs to potentially end the war. Nobody trusts Hamas but goes to show the left wing would rather allow a war to continue than to give up their crusade to stop Trump. Sad

Yup.

The likes of @robosmith would rather see nuclear war before a peace deal brokered by Trump.

Just wait to see him and the Libbies p1ss their panties when Trump get the Nobel Peace Prize.

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Yup.

The likes of @robosmith would rather see nuclear war before a peace deal brokered by Trump.

Just wait to see him and the Libbies p1ss their panties when Trump get the Nobel Peace Prize.

You'd rather LIE about others than BE HONEST about Trump's incompetence.

All he's done now is put the screws to Netanyahu FINALLY, instead of giving him CARTE BLANCHE to DESTROY GAZA and KILL THOUSANDS of CHILDREN. 🤮

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Let us see if this one holds. I am a little hopeful since Egypt is more involved and more invested than before.

 

What do you mean by "holds"? 

The terms = "Hamas will refrain from committing any more terrorist attacks until.... the next available opportunity, and the second Hamas and Iran feel like they can finally commit a full and thorough genocide in Israel, they will gladly do so."

14 hours ago, West said:

Donnie used the power of tariffs to potentially end the war. Nobody trusts Hamas but goes to show the left wing would rather allow a war to continue than to give up their crusade to stop Trump. Sad

Not really accurate.

More like "everyone knows that if Hamas finds a way to slaughter everyone in Israel they will do it, and they will instantly be embraced as a legitimate and upstanding member of the Arab states". 

Edited October 9, 2025 by WestCanMan

[Legato]

18 hours ago, West said:

Donnie used the power of tariffs to potentially end the war. Nobody trusts Hamas but goes to show the left wing would rather allow a war to continue than to give up their crusade to stop Trump. Sad

Isn't Ham Ass forbidden (haram) in the Muslim world?

[Venandi]

On 10/9/2025 at 3:22 PM, WestCanMan said:

What do you mean by "holds"? 

The terms = "Hamas will refrain from committing any more terrorist attacks until.... the next available opportunity, and the second Hamas and Iran feel like they can finally commit a full and thorough genocide in Israel, they will gladly do so."

I'm inclined to agree.  

With Hamas left intact and bolstered by prison releases from Israel we simply enter into another period of consolidation... which will be followed (in the fullness of time) by another period of fighting themselves to a standstill. There are short term benefits here for all but the ideology remains. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I see this is a pause and not an end state.

I was going write something a bit longer but this article pretty much captures what I was going to say in a more articulate manner than I could muster. Here's a quote (that resonates with me) for anyone disinclined to read it:

"The West, and too often Israel herself, has convinced itself that terror is a grievance to be addressed rather than an ideology to be destroyed."

 https://nationalpost.com/opinion/trumps-mideast-peace-deal-will-only-lead-to-more-bloodshed?itm_source=index

There's an African proverb that says: "he who forgives ends the quarrel." Hamas has religious objectives instead of political ones... there is no room for forgiveness and no negotiating with the remnants of it, or any of the prisoners being released for that matter.

Here's another proverb..."a bird does not change its feathers because the weather has turned bad." 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Venandi said:

Hamas has religious objectives instead of political ones... there is no room for forgiveness and no negotiating with the remnants of it, or any of the prisoners being released for that matter.

Here's another proverb..."a bird does not change its feathers because the weather has turned bad." 

Religion is also an objective of many Israelis not to mention amongst their biggest supporter.  I think Trump's objective of a Nobel prize underscores how shallow and weak the case for believing real lasting peace is breaking out.

And of course the last time it appeared that might be the case a right wing religious conservative kiboshed the deal by assassinating Yitzhak Rabin.

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"a bird does not change its feathers because the weather has turned bad." 

Birds usually change their feathers in preparation of a coming change in climate. That's not what's happening here, this is just a break in the weather.

Edited October 11, 2025 by eyeball

[Venandi]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Birds usually change their feathers in preparation of a coming change in climate.

I don't think that proverb was about seasonal moulting. 

 

 

 

Edited October 11, 2025 by Venandi

[West]

Looks as if hostages have been returned but Hamas murdered 28 of them. 

In that case more than half the Qatari/Iranian funded Hamas terrorists being detained should be returned dead as well. Make it double

[gatomontes99]

26 minutes ago, West said:

Looks as if hostages have been returned but Hamas murdered 28 of them. 

In that case more than half the Qatari/Iranian funded Hamas terrorists being detained should be returned dead as well. Make it double

If only we could be like them. It sure would make things easier.

[West]

17 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

If only we could be like them. It sure would make things easier.

It seems they released only men. Sick people 

[robosmith]

47 minutes ago, West said:

Looks as if hostages have been returned but Hamas murdered 28 of them. 

In that case more than half the Qatari/Iranian funded Hamas terrorists being detained should be returned dead as well. Make it double

You don't even know that Netanyahu APPROVED payment by Qataris to Hamas for YEARS.

And Israeli intelligence knowing about, and IGNORING, the Hamas invasion plan for a year prior while FAILING to defend against it, is STRONG EVIDENCE Netanyahu wanted it to happen.  

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Yes, during his time as Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu approved and oversaw the transfer of millions of dollars in Qatari funds to Hamas-controlled Gaza for several years. This policy, which began in 2018, was both officially approved by his security cabinet and publicly defended by Netanyahu at the time. 

Justifications for the policy

• Humanitarian aid: The transfers were officially framed as humanitarian aid to prevent a collapse of public services in Gaza. The money was intended to pay the salaries of civil servants, fuel, and assistance for low-income families.
• Political strategy: According to a 2019 report in The Jerusalem Post, Netanyahu told a meeting of his Likud party that "anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas...This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank". The aim was to keep the Palestinians divided between the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip and the Fatah-controlled Palestinian Authority (PA) in the West Bank, undermining the prospects of a unified Palestinian state.
• "Buying quiet": Another motivation was to maintain a fragile ceasefire and "buy quiet" by improving economic conditions in Gaza to reduce motivation for violence. 

Criticisms and aftermath

• Warnings were ignored: Israeli intelligence officials later stated that Netanyahu was repeatedly warned by agencies like the Shin Bet that some of the money could be diverted to Hamas's military wing. Netanyahu's office has denied that he was presented with intelligence showing the Qatari funds were being used for terrorism.
• Empowering Hamas: After the October 7, 2023, attack, the policy came under intense scrutiny. Critics, including former Israeli officials and opposition leaders, argued that the policy allowed Hamas to solidify its rule in Gaza and build up its military capabilities. Former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett ended the cash suitcase transfers when he took office in 2021.
• "Qatargate" investigation: Recent reports from Israeli media have detailed investigations into two of Netanyahu's aides for allegedly receiving payments from Qatar in relation to these transfers, though Netanyahu has denied the allegations. 

 

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

You don't even know that Netanyahu APPROVED payment by Qataris to Hamas for YEARS.

And Israeli intelligence knowing about, and IGNORING, the Hamas invasion plan for a year prior while FAILING to defend against it, is STRONG EVIDENCE Netanyahu wanted it to happen.  

 

You blame BN for paying Hamas to not attack? Shouldn't Hamas be blamed for giving that up just so they could kill Jews?