New poll shows majority of Canadians want NO new immigration.

[Goddess]

37 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

These people are not here to "be Canadian"...they are here, by their own admission, to reform Canada to an Islamic state.

Of course, the argument is "Not all Muslims".

Unfortunately for that argument, the experience of every other country that has taken in masses of Muslims, is that when their numbers are large enough they start demanding Sharia law courts, ethnic enclaves become "no-go" zones, white women start getting raped in larger & larger numbers and lose the safety of walking the streets unharassed, Islamic calls to prayer start blaring in the early morning hours, Halal foods start getting subsidized, Sharia banking is brought in, they demand more and more immigration from their countries.

No matter how much you think Mohammed at work is "a really nice guy", when push comes to shove, man's innate instinct for tribalism takes over and he will, if not outright support Muslim takeovers, at least say nothing about it.

The Muslims who do speak out and do report radicalization in their mosques are rare.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Of course, the argument is "Not all Muslims".

Unfortunately for that argument, the experience of every other country that has taken in masses of Muslims, is that when their numbers are large enough they start demanding Sharia law courts, ethnic enclaves become "no-go" zones, white women start getting raped in larger & larger numbers and lose the safety of walking the streets unharassed, Islamic calls to prayer start blaring in the early morning hours, Halal foods start getting subsidized, Sharia banking is brought in, they demand more and more immigration from their countries.

No matter how much you think Mohammed at work is "a really nice guy", when push comes to shove, man's innate instinct for tribalism takes over and he will, if not outright support Muslim takeovers, at least say nothing about it.

The Muslims who do speak out and do report radicalization in their mosques are rare.

And so...knowing how this lark will end, Western Europe clearly shows how this absurdity will progress.

What knocks me out is that so many Canadians...and Americans...simply refuse to acknowledge their own senses. I have to believe that someone...maybe a group of someones...made the decision to toss Western Civilization in turmoil.

Now...who's causing all the social discord...here locally...to escalate? Could it be the contingent of odd humans who think opening borders and obstructing justice, is necessary?

Hmmm...

 

Edited February 5 by Nationalist

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Now...who's causing all the social discord...here locally...to escalate? Could it be the contingent of odd humans who think opening borders and obstructing justice, is necessary?

Are you suggesting.....**GASP**.......that's there's a CABAL of people controlling our governments?

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Venandi said:

And if Canadians decide to welcome them as refugees they just might.

It seems America was content with adopting a draft-dodgers-are-your-problem attitude while most Canadians were against accepting them.

Unsurprisingly affluent Americans were afforded more leniency whereas lower income and of course black draft dodgers had more of an uphill struggle working thru the immigration process.

Deserters were flat out illegal and I'm guessing PTSD was probably still called cowardice in those days.

3 hours ago, Venandi said:

I'd start by clearing out the mental institutions to see how it worked...

You did already. Deinstitutionalization was a disaster. Ironically and predictably it led straight to homelessness, drug addiction and prisons filling up.

You guys actually got a 10-20 year head start on us. Too bad our dumb-assed government thought it would be a good idea to go down that same path.

3 hours ago, Venandi said:

the main problem with that is it would bolster the ranks of liberal voters in Canada.

Draft dodgers? I suspect the affluent ones probably went home and turned into Republicans and the ones who stayed vote Khmer Orange or Green.

 

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Oh WOW.... I forgot about this.

We have hundreds of thousands of Americans living here now, it seems.

Sure, if this was the 1970s  

33 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It seems America was content with adopting a draft-dodgers-are-your-problem attitude while most Canadians were against accepting them

 

And where are you seeing that canadians didn't accept them?  They wouldn't have even known, these people for the most part immigrated normally. 

[eyeball]

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And where are you seeing that canadians didn't accept them? 

The Internet. Go look yourself. Knowing WTF your talking about is your responsibility.

29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They wouldn't have even known, these people for the most part immigrated normally. 

So what? Everyone still certainly knew they were coming because it was controversial. It's only the last few years people have started freaking out over the difference between a refugee and an immigrant...which is to say to erase the difference in hopes of sending them all packing.

[CdnFox]

Just now, eyeball said:

The Internet. Go look yourself. Knowing WTF your talking about is your responsibility.

 

First off you cliamed we accepted them willingly. Now you claim the internet says we didn't want them. 

And as usual you can't provide a cite. 

I can.  From google ai

"American draft dodgers and military deserters were generally welcomed in Canada during the Vietnam War, with an estimated 30,000 to 50,000 fleeing across the border."

 

OOopppsie!   Do you just enjoy looking like a twat or something?

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So what? Everyone still certainly knew they were coming because it was controversial.

Not really.  After 69 they didn't even ask about whether someone was a draft dodger or not. The public wouldn't have known how many were coming in and apperently generally didn't mind draft dodgers anyway. 

Your entire narrative has fallen apart AGAIN due to the facts.  But please, go ahead and explain how your stupidity and lack of truth is somehow my fault again  LOLOLOL

 

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

First off you cliamed we accepted them willingly.

We did where I live. There's still a healthy little community here. I count some as good friends.

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I can.  From google ai

I can too.

...not all Canadians were willing to accept draft dodgers. While Canada is often remembered as a safe haven for Americans fleeing the Vietnam War, the reality at the time was a mix of welcoming support and significant domestic opposition.

Vancouver Mayor Tom Campbell complains about a "scum community" of hippies and draft dodgers in 1968

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

OOopppsie!   Do you just enjoy looking like a twat or something?

No, I don't resemble you at all.

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

My entire narrative has fallen apart AGAIN due to the facts.  But please, go ahead and explain how my stupidity and lack of truth is somehow your fault again 😭

Because I know what I'm talking about and you don't.  LOLOLOL

Edited February 5 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

We did where I live. 

So you're stupid enough to make a claim that wasn't even true where you lived   LOL

 

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

I can too.

...not all Canadians were willing to accept draft dodgers. While Canada is often remembered as a safe haven for Americans fleeing the Vietnam War, the reality at the time was a mix of welcoming support and significant domestic opposition.

So a minority of people didn't like them, but generally they were well received. 

So ... nope you can't    Your claim was "most Canadians were against accepting them"  But.. we can see that MOST in fact DID accept them and there was only a small percent didn't accept them. 

Hard fail on your part kiddo  

 

[eyeball]

51 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So you're stupid enough to make a claim that wasn't even true where you lived

No, people hereabouts have been progressive that way for a long time, we were the only community in Canada that objected to sending local Japanese residents to internment camps.

51 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So a minority of people didn't like them, but generally they were well received. 

Nope.

historical data and polling indicate that the majority of Canadians did not support draft dodgers entering the country during the Vietnam War era.

The majority of Canadians felt the same way about Vietnamese refugees who fled to Canada following a war many Canadians, including arms manufacturers, supported.

In the years 1979-80, Canada accepted 60,000 Vietnamese refugees, despite a majority of Canadians being opposed to the plan. 

Polls, just like the polls with respect to the draft dodgers, showed that the majority of Canadians did not want them.

Just like Jews. Canada has rolled this way for decades and decades and you people can't wait to get the ball rolling even faster.

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, people hereabouts have been progressive that way for a long time,

And you thought you were the only progressive people in canada?    lol you're just digging yourself deeper here kid

 

Quote

we were the only community in Canada that objected to sending local Japanese residents to internment camps.

Preferred slave labor options?  You'd have sent them if they were jewish  

Quote

Nope.

Yup.

Quote

 

historical data and polling indicate that the majority of Canadians did not support draft dodgers entering the country during the Vietnam War era.he majority of Canadians felt the same way about Vietnamese refugees who fled to Canada following a war many Canadians, including arms manufacturers, supported.

In the years 1979-80, Canada accepted 60,000 Vietnamese refugees, despite a majority of Canadians being opposed to the plan. 

 

 

Nope. and still no cites i see   ANd 1979 was more than half a decade after the war.  So not relevant  Ford created an AMNESTY in 1975, so there were no 'draft dodgers' in 1980.  They hadn't broken any laws anymore.  AND carter gave them an amnesty as well for any who wanted it, so there you go. 

Here you go:

 

Yes, many Canadians supported American draft dodgers entering Canada during the Vietnam War, treating the influx as a humanitarian act, a stand against the war, and an assertion of Canadian sovereignty. While estimates vary, roughly 20,000 to 100,000 Americans, including war resisters, moved to Canada, with many receiving aid from community groups, churches, and individuals. 

Key details regarding Canadian support:

• Supportive Efforts: Various groups, such as the Toronto Anti-Draft Programme and Vancouver Committee to Aid American War Objectors, provided counseling, housing, and legal aid to help resisters settle.
• Government Stance: By May 1969, the Canadian government permitted both draft dodgers and military deserters to enter and apply for landed immigrant status without being barred.

So it's no wonder you didn't provide a cite, you were lying all along.   canadians weren't up in arms about american draft dodgers coming to canada in 1979, there weren't any.  In fact half the ones who'd come had gone home by then 

 

Deserters weren't loved as much.  But by and large dodgers were. 

 

Quote

Just like Jews. Canada has rolled this way for decades and decades and you people can't wait to get the ball rolling even faster.

Ahhh i knew you'd bring the jews that you hate so much up sooner or later   

 

Edited February 6 by CdnFox

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And you thought you were the only progressive people in canada? 

No, just particularly progressive - certainly impressively I'd proudly say.

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

lol you're just digging yourself deeper here kid

Glad to see you're taking note, I'll expect more of that from you as things sink in.

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Preferred slave labor options?  You'd have sent them if they were jewish  

No, but I know fùcking well you would have Jews and all and so does every single person who posts in this forum.

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

ANd 1979 was more than half a decade after the war.

That's right it was. 

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Ahhh i knew you'd bring the jews that you hate so much sooner or later

And here I am defending Americans... How do you explain THAT!?

Edited February 6 by eyeball

[I am Groot]

On 2/5/2026 at 2:35 PM, Nationalist said:

And so...knowing how this lark will end, Western Europe clearly shows how this absurdity will progress.

What knocks me out is that so many Canadians...and Americans...simply refuse to acknowledge their own senses.

We have been berated, lectured, and browbeaten for decades about never judging groups, especially racial/ethnic groups in a bad way. It comes from school, from regulations at workplaces, from TV and hollywood and the government. The worst evil you can show is believing your group is in any way better than some other group.

So saying Muslims should not come here draws gasps of horror. But that comes from people who have read virtually nothing about Islam. Or who handwave it away with "the bible has bad parts too!" or who believe that, just like them, Muslims don't take their religion seriously.

This is a religion that actually says it's okay to lie to infidels, that you can take from infidels. That you have a right to take from them, including their lands, their valuables, and their women. Women, to the Muslim world, to the Quran, are not actually so much people as they are possessions.

And by the way, the term 'infidel' is mistranslated for lazy Western eyes. It's 'kaffir', and that isn't just someone who doesn't believe in Islam, it's someone who rejects God. A kaffir is someone who is so steeped in their arrogance and evil that they reject God! There's almost nothing worse. In the Muslim world, that's a fighting word. Call someone a kaffir, and the brawl is on. Calling it 'unbeliever' does not convey the level of sheer contempt for such a person.

Anyway, Muslims have been fighting and clawing at everyone who ISN'T a Muslim for about 1400 years now. Some of the worst slaughters in known history have occurred from Muslim attacks on India and Asia. They kept pushing and pushing West until Constantinople fell, then they kept pushing all the way to the gates of Vienna before being thrown back.

And now Europe has invited them in. And there's no sign they've changed.

 

Edited February 6 by I am Groot

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, just particularly progressive - certainly impressively I'd proudly say.

I'm thinking we're back to talking about the voices in your head 

Quote

Glad to see you're taking note, I'll expect more of that from you as things sink in.

I've always kind of known you like to dig yourself deeper, if you're just seeing it now you haven't been paying attention

 

Quote

No, but I know fùcking well you would have Jews and all and so does every single person who posts in this forum.

I would have jews? You're getting so mad that your English is slipping. You like X flyer that way

Practice I wouldn't have locked up the Jews or the japanese. But we know full well that you absolutely believe that doing that with the Jews would be appropriate. You're that kind of from the river to the sea sort of person  

 

Quote

That's right it was. 

Yeah, i know i'm right, you really don't need to bother to tell me

Quote

And here I am defending Americans... How do you explain THAT!?

Uhhh.... most Americans aren't jews  

Not to mention you'll switch your morals for however long it takes for you to lie your way through a point in a conversation

 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Not to mention you'll switch your morals for however long it takes for you to lie your way through a point in a conversation

Now there's your classic CdnFox projection right there.

It only gets easier to trigger them as time goes by.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Now there's your classic CdnFox projection right there.

z

Every accusation you make turns out to be an admission   My morals stay absolutely constant and consistent. Always. Yours flip-flop back and forth every 5 minutes. "I don't support the attack on israel but they totally deserved it and hamas was simply exercising their human rights, what's wrong with that?!?!!? "

As an example  there's a few hundred others . 

But of course a liberal projectionist always wants to accuse others of projecting  

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

It only gets easier to trigger them as time goes by.

Oh yes, your other favorite trick when you're losing a discussion and looking like a tard.  " i was only joking, i was TROLLING you by PRETENDING to be that stupid!!! DERP!!"

Oh if only that were true. Sadly you genuinely are that stupid   But as always you want it to be my fault

[Venandi]

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

Draft dodgers? I suspect the affluent ones probably went home and turned into Republicans

There's a new thread for ya.

I don't know what the actual break down is but even in the absence of it I'm willing to bet that most draft dodgers were the progressive liberals of their generation.  

[CITIZEN_2015]

22 hours ago, Goddess said:

Of course, the argument is "Not all Muslims".

 

They are many in Iran for example who are born into it and later in life they leave it as they realize what it is and what it stands for. They are not Muslims even if their passport says so. They may even hate it and be more westernized than any westerner. They should be allowed to come and live a life and contribute positively and become a tax payer. Most of them are highly educated. Most are women leaving the oppressive Islam. I know some who left Iran after Women Life Freedom uprising was crushed and they were more westernized than me who grew up in the West. That is why I am against a regional ban on immigrants not to mention it is not practical (against international laws) so how do we distinguish? In my view should be at the discretion of immigration officers. Those who interview applicant. If I see a hijab wearing woman or  bearded guy from a known muslim dominated country who would answer undesirable to my specific questions , I will reject their application as scoring zero on adoptability.

[CITIZEN_2015]

16 hours ago, I am Groot said:

 

So saying Muslims should not come here draws gasps of horror. But that comes from people who have read virtually nothing about Islam. Or who handwave it away with "the bible has bad parts too!" or who believe that, just like them, Muslims don't take their religion seriously.

This is a religion that actually says it's okay to lie to infidels, that you can take from infidels. That you have a right to 

 

 

No, it is a religion that says it is okay to KILL infidels not just lie to. Yeah you can take their lives.

No  muslims believing in terrorism, fundamentalist muslims who hate western culture, lacking respect for women, not believing in democracy, etc. should not be allowed to come here because if you inject cancer cells into your body, you catch cancer. They will kill the country. Look what is happening in Europe, It is only 10% muslim population. Imagine what would happen if it was God forbid, over 50%.

Edited February 6 by CITIZEN_2015

[John Stone]

Immigration?

Can't afford not to have it, can't afford to have it! 

What is desired is a rate in births that sustains the population.

Uncontrolled immigration is a time bomb in terms of culture clash and economics. 

Solution?

Encourage families through various means to have more begets 

 

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, John Stone said:

Immigration?

Can't afford not to have it, can't afford to have it! 

What is desired is a rate in births that sustains the population.

Uncontrolled immigration is a time bomb in terms of culture clash and economics. 

Solution?

Encourage families through various means to have more begets 

 

We are so far away from that I don't even see a path back. Our fertility rate is something like 1.2 children right now for every woman. To be sustainable we need 2.2. That's just to maintain our population. So we would literally have to pretty close to double our current birth rate.

I just don't see how incentives are going to get us there. If anything is falling, we would probably still have to do a bunch of incentives just to make it not get worse

Were you thinking of anything in particular that might reverse that trend? You'd have to do some fast talking to get that many women having that many more children I think

[I am Groot]

6 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No, it is a religion that says it is okay to KILL infidels not just lie to. Yeah you can take their lives.

No  muslims believing in terrorism, fundamentalist muslims who hate western culture, lacking respect for women, not believing in democracy, etc. should not be allowed to come here because if you inject cancer cells into your body, you catch cancer. They will kill the country. Look what is happening in Europe, It is only 10% muslim population. Imagine what would happen if it was God forbid, over 50%.

It is 10% overall. But if you look at the percentage of schoolkids, or even the percentage of people under 30, it is way, way higher than that.

[I am Groot]

5 hours ago, John Stone said:

Immigration?

Can't afford not to have it, can't afford to have it! 

There is no evidence that we need immigration. And if we are going to have it, we should be carefully vetting those who come in and refusing religious fanatics entry.

The person who wants a minimum wage job at a fast food shop faces more scrutiny than immigrants or refugees. Or even citizens. When you decide to become a ctiizen, all you have to do is pass a 25 question true/false/multiple choice test. You can do it online. There is no interview. And no, it doesn't matter if you've been on welfare since you arrived. Nor does it matter if you're an Islamist or a Sikh Khalistani. We do not care.

 

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, I am Groot said:

There is no evidence that we need immigration. And if we are going to have it, we should be carefully vetting those who come in and refusing religious fanatics entry.

The person who wants a minimum wage job at a fast food shop faces more scrutiny than immigrants or refugees. Or even citizens. When you decide to become a ctiizen, all you have to do is pass a 25 question true/false/multiple choice test. You can do it online. There is no interview. And no, it doesn't matter if you've been on welfare since you arrived. Nor does it matter if you're an Islamist or a Sikh Khalistani. We do not care.

 

I don't know about anything that specifically suggests we should have immigration but it is true that there is plenty of evidence that we need a stable or growing population.

Ideally because of the nature of human beings you want a general sort of ratio of one child, one young adult who had the child and is caring for it, one more mature adult who is caring for their parents who have now reached old age and one old person who requires more support.

Obviously that's very generalized, but that's roughly what you want to see in a population.  That produces enough resources to care for everyone and maintain a good economy.  Children and the elderly require the most care and cost, with the elderly being the worst 

If you have a declining population what is happening is that very quickly the children becoming young adults face the burden of  not only caring for their own children,  AND having to care for more like TWO old people instead of one because there's fewer younger people (that's what a declining population gets you).   

The burden becomes unstable after a while and can't be maintained. And it becomes a death spiral because the young adults can't produce enough resources so they stop having children (which is optional) to devote resources to the elderly (who are already there so not optional). 

This isn't just 'direct' support but in the form of tax burden for services as well. You have a smaller number of people paying the taxes to care for a larger percent of older people and that situation keeps getting worse generation after generation till population increases again. 

We don't NEED immigration, but we DO need stability of population and given our current population compared to our landmass we really do need at least a small amount of growth. 

So if that's not coming from immigration, then where?

[Venandi]

On 2/5/2026 at 5:34 PM, eyeball said:

the main problem with that is it would bolster the ranks of liberal voters in Canada.

 

On 2/5/2026 at 5:34 PM, eyeball said:

Draft dodgers?

No, mental patients.