paxamericana Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 (edited) 54 minutes ago, I am Groot said: The idea of a 'state' the size of Canada is ludicrous. If Trump had been serious, as opposed to just taunting Trudeau, he'd have said ten states. And may I remind you that the US also has a below-replacement birth rate? You do realize California has the same number of people as Canada right? Take your self down a notch. 40million might be big for you but to America that’s another state. If Canada joined it can still maintain the provincial system. They’d be relabeled as county. Literally the same thing. When Texas decided to join the States it had provisions in the agreement to be able to split into 5 separate states should it choose to do so. I could see something similar happening. 54 minutes ago, I am Groot said: No. We could just let our population decline for a while. That would mean much cheaper housing and higher wages. That’s not how the economics work. You’re going to get inflation due to a decreasing workforce. Everything costs more to produce. Economy of scale , low energy cost and productivity is what slow inflation. 54 minutes ago, I am Groot said: We don't need workers to support the CPP. Uh huh… 54 minutes ago, I am Groot said: So what? Japan's population has been shrinking and they're still doing fine, at least compared to us. Canada is not Japan. Your industry isn’t even globally competitive or world wide. 80% of your trade is just to North America. So let that sink in. You’re already effectively a State. Edited January 10 by paxamericana Quote
Zeitgeist Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 (edited) 4 hours ago, paxamericana said: The problem with having sub replacement birth rates is that you need a never ending supply of immigrants. That brings its own problem as Canadians found out. And here’s the kicker. Once you start that process it can’t stop because once again you’re not at replacement birthrates. This means there’s not enough workers to support the pension system or any other government services including military. You’re in a one way downward spiral. That is unless you start having more birth or import massive amount of new people who changes the face of Canadian society. Canada’s only option is to become a State if it wishes to preserve its culture and maintain government services. Some of you have begun to realize this and I encourage you to share the truth with one another. Being spiteful of American integration is just prolonging your own pointless suffering. Canada will be an American state sooner or later. @Zeitgeist The U.S. birth rate, though currently better than Canada’s, is still below replacement levels and still immigration dependent. However, culturally, the U.S. has taken a more assimilationist approach to immigration. Basically immigrants are expected to adjust and embrace the American way of life. Though it doesn’t always pan out that way, history is proving that the melting pot is better for the nation state’s cultural protection than the cultural mosaic.I appreciate the lines in the sand Trump is drawing by saying America is a Christian country and there are two genders. We need these kinds of clarifications, which doesn’t mean people can’t still pretend to be non-biological genders or be atheists, but these must remain outlier positions officially. The problem with statehood for Canada is that a country of this scale and regional diversity can’t be run effectively only out of Ottawa. We’ll need our sub national legislatures in the provinces and territories. Perhaps some combining of legislatures is possible, but I think the push-back from the population would be too great Canadians also like the British colonial ceremonial trappings like the monarch on our streets and currency. On the whole Canadians like bilingualism and the cultural diversity of the regions I think the U.S. on the whole likes these features There are ways to integrate without having to fight endless battles on those cultural and political fronts. I suggest that Canada and the U.S. form a union called something like USC (US and Canada) with the full freedom of residence and employment within both countries, with requirements to pay privately for certain services outside your country of origin until resident for at least two years Peg the Canadian dollar to the U.S. dollar so either currency can be used in either country and keep the Canadian currency going for fun and curiosity sake. Don’t forget that the Canadian Mint makes currencies for many countries. Each country can maintain its own laws as in the past, because many people on both sides of the border are passionate for or against gun control, food policy, healthcare, etc Over time the duplication of departments and policies between both countries will be reduced, with Canada adopting most US bureaucracy but not all I’m sure in some areas the U.S. will adopt Canadian policy where it’s more effective. Overnight the economic and lifestyle opportunities available to the citizens of both countries grow enormously. That’s as good as it gets in the near and medium term Anything coercive that damages relationships between the countries really isn’t worth it You want Canadians buying your bourbon and travelling south We all benefit from security partnerships, not just Canada, because the U.S. is better received with allies for good causes than on its own for purely selfish interests. I’d also be careful not to screw up NATO by walking away from it or violating it by occupying a NATO country. China and Russia are watching closely Putin has troops along the borders of NATO countries. The South China Sea is another potential powder keg Even countries like Finland, not just former Eastern Bloc countries or members of the Soviet Union, will be up for grabs. The U.S. would be stretched thin We’ve seen these shows before Europe would be consumed by trying to stave off invasion. The US would be facing constant threats of rebellion and insurrection. China might take some risks in the South Pacific. Owning a country against the will of the people means endless resistance and expenditure of resources. If the US loses moral authority, other countries will lead. China has been quietly taking up this role in Asia and Africa. Edited January 10 by Zeitgeist Quote
paxamericana Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Anything coercive that damages relationships between the countries really isn’t worth it Well it’s certainly not out of the Kindness our big American heart. Problem with Enslaving Canadians is that You’re all just not that productive. It’s more economical to coerce South Americans. Edited January 10 by paxamericana Quote
Zeitgeist Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 (edited) 6 minutes ago, paxamericana said: Well it’s certainly not out of the Kindness our big American heart of not enslaving Canadians. You’re all just not that productive. It’s more economical to coerce South Americans. Canada has at times been in a better position and its citizens better off than Americans economically, as recently as 2008-12. Canada is a country of peace and stability. Our banks take fewer risks. Our citizens are more polite and cautious. We’re more outward looking because we have to be aware of the rest of the world to trade and manage ourselves in it. These are strengths, but they’re soft power. We once had serious hard power and we will have it again. The government and citizens are focused now. We now have to get serious culturally by valuing our history and traditions and by making it easier for our citizens to have families and thrive. Trudeau took us off course, but the correction is underway, generally. Edited January 10 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote
paxamericana Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Trudeau took us off course, but the correction is underway, generally. No it’s irrecoverable. You’ve been at sub replacement since 1970. This is the last Decade of the Canadians. You don’t even have enough women of child bearing age for a recovery! America does. 2010 was when we dip below replacement. Edited January 10 by paxamericana Quote
eyeball Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 35 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The snc scandal? YES that was trudeau's fault! No you just said the scandal happened because of harper's law. Trudeau interfered with a criminal investigation - that was illegal long long before Harper or Trudeau were even born. 40 minutes ago, CdnFox said: And he got busted by harper's law. So why isn't Trudeau in prison instead of boinking a starlet on her yacht? 42 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The fact that harper made what he did illegal doesn't make the fact he did it harper's fault. This is just plain stupid. As I said above what Trudeau did was illegal decades if not centuries ago in our legal system. Harper did what every politician before him and what every politician appears will be poised to do moving forward when it comes to the sort of white-collar crimes politicians commit. Sweet fok all. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Zeitgeist Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 (edited) 5 hours ago, paxamericana said: No it’s irrecoverable. You’ve been at sub replacement since 1970. This is the last Decade of the Canadians. You don’t even have enough women of child bearing age for a recovery! America does. 2010 was when we dip below replacement. Well Canada’s population growth accelerated due to immigration, which has caused a lot of hand-wringing. While both our countries were built through immigration, the immigrants were a lot different than they are today. What kind of culture are we building? Does it align with the country’s historic core values? I’d argue that it hasn’t in recent years. We should be boosting immigration from countries that align with our founding cultures and reducing and in some cases eliminating it from countries that don’t. Trump does understand this and Canadians need to get with that program or risk losing our culture. We also desperately need to make it possible for young families to thrive economically. If Canada can’t do these things, I would agree that becoming American would be a better option for Canadians, but I’m not convinced yet that even the U.S. can pull off a cultural renaissance, nor am I convinced that the public understands how dire this problem is in both countries. It feels today like young people are being pushed in only three possible directions: LGBTQ2S+ lifestyle obsession, bowing to Mecca and covering up, or embracing atheist China-style totalitarianism. Christian America needs to assert itself and do so in savvy ways. Supporting the traditional family of a mother, a father, and naturally born children of these two married parents should be job number one, culturally and economically, with a clear Christian cultural and political narrative. Edited January 11 by Zeitgeist Quote
paxamericana Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said: It feels today like young people are being pushed in only three possible directions: LGBTQ2S+ lifestyle obsession, bowing to Mecca and covering up, or embracing atheist China-style totalitarianism. The original sin was thinking we could build a just and prosperous society in absence of god. The ancients figured this road map out over 2000 years ago. “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God’.” - Mathew 4:4 Edited January 10 by paxamericana 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 (edited) 3 hours ago, eyeball said: No you just said the scandal happened because of harper's law. I said no such thing. What he did was illegal because of harper's law that's not the same thing as saying hoppers law forced him to do it or caused it And once again we are back to you knowing that you're wrong and deciding to try and lie and distract your way out of it thinking that somehow this makes you look less stupid. It does not Edited January 11 by CdnFox Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 14 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I said no such thing. Fùck off already, LMAO! 15 minutes ago, CdnFox said: What he did was illegal because of harper's law that's not the same thing as saying hoppers law forced him to do it or caused it Interfering in a criminal prosecution, AKA perverting the course of justice, has been illegal for centuries under English common law, the basis of the same legal system we use in Canada - and that's what Trudeau did. He broke Harper's law? LMAO! 20 minutes ago, CdnFox said: And once again we are back to you knowing that you're wrong and deciding to try and lie and distract your way out of it thinking that somehow this makes you look less stupid. It does not Blah blah blah...go blow it out your ass ya fùckin lying POS. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 35 minutes ago, eyeball said: Fùck off already, LMAO! So you admit i didn't and then offer your traditional signal of defeat LOL Well that's what you get for lying 35 minutes ago, eyeball said: Interfering in a criminal prosecution, AKA perverting the course of justice, has been illegal for centuries under English common law, No it hasn't. There are dozens and dozens of legal ways the government can interfere in criminal proceedings. Hell the Americans, who use the same common law history we do, actually have a pardon system to be able to let criminals go off the hook if they want. Once again you have to lie to try and make your point. That's why harper created the office and the laws to prevent the government from being able to do those things legally any further. And Trudeau tried anyway. And he got caught. 37 minutes ago, eyeball said: He broke Harper's law? LMAO! Yep, and we've been through this before. 37 minutes ago, eyeball said: Blah blah blah...go blow it out your ass Awww, are you furious at your owns stupidity and trying to blame me for it again? LOLOLOL Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 7 hours ago, CdnFox said: The snc scandal? YES that was trudeau's fault! I know you don't want to believe that It's always been Trudeau's fault. You're the only one who said I blamed it on Harper. To spin things your direction when you fail to defend the government's transparency and accountability after I've criticized it. Everyone is aware of why you do this - for the same reason you say they support Trudeau if they cross some line that offends your rabid partisanship. 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: That's why harper created the office and the laws to prevent the government from being able to do those things legally any further. And Trudeau tried anyway. And he got caught. Hahahaha! Yes Harper jumped in his time machine and went back hundreds of years to make it illegal to interfere in criminal prosecutions. Yup, uh huh. Whatever else it is you imagine Harper did that resulted in Trudeau being caught it certainly didn't prevent him from being able to boink starlets in the tropics. At best Harper's Law is a catch-and-release program for white-collar political criminals that looks just as effective at letting crooks with loud socks off too. Good job. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 1 hour ago, eyeball said: It's always been Trudeau's fault. I know that. You're the one that insists harper. Once in a blue moon you get cornered and then you admit that it's Trudeau's but two minutes from now you go back to assisting it's all harpers fault. I'd like to point out that one post above you were trying to deny that it was Justin's fault again. 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Yes Harper jumped in his time machine and went back hundreds of years to make it illegal to interfere in criminal prosecutions. As I was already been pointed out the crown has been able to "interfere" in criminal prosecutions since forever. The fact is before harper's law what they did wasn't considered interference, it was considered to be more along the lines of plea bargaining. All harper did was insert an extra layer between the government who makes the laws and the court who enforces the law Your weird pretension that somehow this isn't the case and that harper didn't pass a law is borderline delusional. You come up with some pretty weird crap but this is off the charts even for you. It is a matter of record that prior to this it was relatively common practice for liberals to do what Justin did and that harper passed a specific law forbidding it and restructuring the Department of Justice. As usual you turn to lies and dishonesty to try and prop up your ideology but it's just not real. The snc-lavalin scandal happened because Justin was in violation of the law that Stephen Harper passed which didn't exist prior to that. You're a strange and sad little man Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 6 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 15 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The snc-lavalin scandal happened because Justin was in violation of the law that Stephen Harper passed which didn't exist prior to that. The scandal only came to light because Jody Wilson-Raybould blew the whistle on Trudeau's interference. Harper had fùck all to do with it. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Moonlight Graham Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 On 1/6/2026 at 4:08 PM, Goddess said: You're a Liberal. You cannot be won over by over of those things. Nor common sense. It's just the way it is with radical lefties. 🤷♀️ He's not a Liberal, he's an NDP/Green Party type. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 On 1/3/2026 at 1:52 PM, eyeball said: We surrendered to these forces decades ago. A hard heart will likely mean blowing migrant boats out of the water like they were Venezuelan. It'll mean borders with barbed wire, mines, machine guns and drones patrolling over head. We could have avoided that by helping to make places that people are migrating from places that are worth staying in. I mean, that was the hope 35-40 years ago when everyone was talking about rising tides lifting everyone's boats. It was also hoped and expected that foreign development would help bring everyone up. But instead of all that good stuff the tide washed over most people in the world and the biggest boats were lifted far higher. Lol what are you smoking? The developing world has improved a lot the last 50 years or so. There's always going to be some countries wealthier than others, regardless of how much money is given. You might want to be more focused on Canada sliding into 3rd world status. It's well on its way. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
CdnFox Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 3 hours ago, eyeball said: I'm really sorry for my emotional outburst. I always lose my shit whenever you prove that my quasi-religious left wing ideology is stupid, and it makes me sad when you prove i'm a liar. I should behave better, i'm sorry for my mental health issues. It's ok big guy - a LOT of left wing people have mental health issues. 3 hours ago, eyeball said: The scandal only came to light because Jody Wilson-Raybould blew the whistle on Trudeau's interference. The only reason she had a whistle to blow was harper. He created her position, it didn't exist before. And he created the law she was blowing the whistle on LOL you really are dumber than a sack of hammers aren't you 1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said: He's not a Liberal, he's an NDP/Green Party type. He's a liberal voter. He may be more left in is ideology but he's here every day defending the libs. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
John Stone Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 15 hours ago, I am Groot said: The Left in Canada has had a massive, sneering sense of disrespect for English Canada's culture for decades. This is partly because our culture is British, and in order to please Quebec and make them feel less alienated, the Liberals set about cutting away at all the cultural underpinnings of English Canada's historical and traditional Britishness. After decades of effort, they have largely succeeded, especially when combined with the importation of millions of people from other cultures, and the expressed determination not to offend them by imposing our culture on them. Anything that was seen by white liberals to be potentially offensive to either Francophones or newcomers was swept away or at least watered down, and anyone who objected was labelled a racist. Trudeau was just the ultimate expression of that largely white liberal sentiment, a man who'd never have succeeded if the ground hadn't been prepared for him by years and years of indoctrination and bullshit, much like Trump would never have gotten elected in the US if the ground hadn't been prepared for him by years of stupidity. ............. some would argue Margaret had more of an influence than dad. Totally agree that Justin would have failed miserably if he didn't have his dad's coattails to ride on, that and the facade match with Brazeau .......... suppose the poor quality of opposition should also get a nod. Quote
eyeball Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: The developing world has improved a lot the last 50 years or so. You might want to be more focused on Canada sliding into 3rd world status. It's well on its way. Yup, it's all just a flash in the pan in the scheme of things. Enjoy it while you can. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: Yup, it's all just a flash in the pan in the scheme of things. The only skiing here is the liberal scheme to drain every dollar they can out of Canada while letting it slide into ruin. A scheme you fully have supported and defend here every day. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 8 hours ago, CdnFox said: The only reason she had a whistle to blow was harper. He created her position, it didn't exist before. And he created the law she was blowing the whistle on You say JWR was Canada's first Justice Minister and Attorney General and Harper created the position. LMAO! Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: You say JWR was Canada's first Justice Minister and Attorney General and Harper created the position. Nope, but she was the first who could not just pardon snc and allow them to do business with the canadian gov't. Her position was not the same as in the past I know, i know. You've realized you were stupid and harper did change the laws in 2015 and that IS what caught justin trudeau, and now you're desperate for ANYTHING to make yourself look less stupid But all you're doing is digging yourself deeper. Justin got screwed by the law harper passed and JWR upheld. Your big claim is that "Nobody expected a liberal would ACTUALLY uphold the law!!!!!" LOL well there you go. Unlike you she wasn't a very good liberal i guess. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Nope, but she was the first who could not just pardon snc and allow them to do business with the canadian gov't. Why it's almost like you were in the room or something. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 5 hours ago, eyeball said: Why it's almost like you were in the room or something. Or almost like I have a brain, which explains why it's kind of baffling you Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
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