Charlie Kirk shot!

[gatomontes99]

14 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

You’re saying the groypers are not that? Which adjective do you feel didn’t fit?

I am saying that groypers had nothing to do with this and have more in common with the Democrats than Republicans. But you insist that they helped this dipshit and that the right (all of the right) is responsible for Charlie's death. There is zero evidence for that. You are trying so desperately to shed responsibility for something that you literally played a role in. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

I am saying that groypers had nothing to do with this and have more in common with the Democrats than Republicans. But you insist that they helped this dipshit and that the right (all of the right) is responsible for Charlie's death. There is zero evidence for that. You are trying so desperately to shed responsibility for something that you literally played a role in. 

Obviously, it's Chrissy. And if you paint her into a corner she'll insist that's all your fault because it's wrong to vote for a criminal thieving backstabbing wife cheating scumbag like Clinton.  Sorry, i meant 'trump'.  She's happy to vote for all of that if it's a left wing candidate   

Chrissy doesn't believe any of the crap she's spewing. Relies are direct reflection of the emotional pain she's going through realizing her beloved left of the terrible people here

[robosmith]

12 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Ah ha! So it wasn’t about the Palestinian all along. It was about using the Palestinian as an excuse to attain power. Old Marxist playbook, try something else next time. 

^Ridiculous. Allowing 20% of the Palestinians to remain in ISRAEL means NOTHING when they can never have any power to shape POLICY. AKA they are ONLY TOKENS. 

Of course you KNOW that Netanyahu's current cabinet is the MOST EXTREME EVER and they are trying to PUSH OUT ALL PALESTINIANS. Of course you don't give a CRAP about ETHNIC CLEANSING. 🤮

[robosmith]

9 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Admittedly I knew very little to nothing about Charlie Kirk other than vaguely remembering his name and an impression of him being one of those "out there" idi0ts. The more I read the more I was correct about my impression of him being an idi0t...  For those who are turning him into a martyr, save your typing because I don't at all believe he should have been killed because of his fùcked up beliefs.

An opinion piece below about how people are now trying to turn him into something he wasn't;  

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/14/charlie-kirk-killing

'It is easy for me, even, to show sympathy for the humanity of Charlie Kirk, who, for everything else he was, was a human being who has now been robbed of the opportunity to learn, grow, and repent. But such commitments – to human life, to nonviolence, to a faith in the possibility of redemption and reconciliation – need not lead us to lie to ourselves about Charlie Kirk. The same values that make us horrified at his violent death are the ones that should embolden our commitment to defeating the politics he worked for in life'.

The sad thing is MAGA LYING that it was all about "freedom of speech" when the truth is that Kirk likely won the election FOR Trump by recruiting a sizeable increase in young men voting.

And that's the ONLY REASON Trump is freaking out about his death.

[gatomontes99]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Obviously, it's Chrissy. And if you paint her into a corner she'll insist that's all your fault because it's wrong to vote for a criminal thieving backstabbing wife cheating scumbag like Clinton.  Sorry, i meant 'trump'.  She's happy to vote for all of that if it's a left wing candidate   

Chrissy doesn't believe any of the crap she's spewing. Relies are direct reflection of the emotional pain she's going through realizing her beloved left of the terrible people here

Its not the act, it's the actor. To rephrase Beria, show me the man and I'll invent a crime.

[Chrissy1979]

9 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

I am saying that groypers had nothing to do with this and have more in common with the Democrats than Republicans. But you insist that they helped this dipshit and that the right (all of the right) is responsible for Charlie's death. There is zero evidence for that. You are trying so desperately to shed responsibility for something that you literally played a role in. 

There is more evidence that he is a groyper than a leftist. That’s why you’re hedging your bets by also claiming they aren’t far-right like you.

[gatomontes99]

5 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

There is more evidence that he is a groyper than a leftist. That’s why you’re hedging your bets by also claiming they aren’t far-right like you.

There is zero evidence he's a Groyper. He lived with and was in a romantic relationship with a guy (who thought he was a girl). Groypers hate anyone that is heterosexual. That officially eliminates him. 

Ninety nine percent of the right disavows these Groypers. They are for government control of a lot of things, they prefer violence over thought, they want a theocracy and a lot more we don't need to go into. The point is, they are not associated with me, or anyone else on this forum. Your insistence that we are the same is dehumanizing and can be used to justify killing us. That is what needs to stop. 

[Chrissy1979]

23 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

There is zero evidence he's a Groyper. He lived with and was in a romantic relationship with a guy (who thought he was a girl). Groypers hate anyone that is heterosexual. That officially eliminates him. 

Ninety nine percent of the right disavows these Groypers. They are for government control of a lot of things, they prefer violence over thought, they want a theocracy and a lot more we don't need to go into. The point is, they are not associated with me, or anyone else on this forum. Your insistence that we are the same is dehumanizing and can be used to justify killing us. That is what needs to stop. 

See what I mean by doubling down? And isn’t it just like the demonic left vermin to dehumanize you by…calling you guys what you are?

[User]

11 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Groypers are far-right extremist, extremely online gay conservatives who follow Nick Fuentes. 
 

I did not ask you to give a definition of the term... once again, you fail to provide the evidence of your assertion and run away. 

1 hour ago, Chrissy1979 said:

There is more evidence that he is a groyper than a leftist. That’s why you’re hedging your bets by also claiming they aren’t far-right like you.

What evidence?

[LinkSoul60]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

The sad thing is MAGA LYING that it was all about "freedom of speech" when the truth is that Kirk likely won the election FOR Trump by recruiting a sizeable increase in young men voting.

And that's the ONLY REASON Trump is freaking out about his death.

Trump's version of freedom of speech is that it only applies if it's the narrative he wants for his brainwashed minions.  Otherwise, it doesn't apply....

[Chrissy1979]

20 minutes ago, User said:

I did not ask you to give a definition of the term... once again, you fail to provide the evidence of your assertion and run away. 

What evidence?

“One message read, “O Bella ciao, Bella ciao, Bella ciao, Ciao, ciao!” in an apparent reference to an antifascist anthem sung by Italians after World War II, though some social media users noted a version of the song appears on a Spotify playlist meant for Groypers, the New York Times reported.”

 

[BeaverFever]

16 hours ago, User said:

Democrats supporting those engaged in violence and destruction of property,

That’s a lie

 

16 hours ago, User said:

Democrats pushing the lies and fanning the flames of white police being racist against black people

Because it is true. There are racist police. And even the police who aren’t consciously racist operate under such a culture impunity that they unnecessarily use excess force without consequences. There’s a reason the cops who killed George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Atatiana Jefferson, Walter Scott, and others went to prison. 
 

You want to know how bad it is in USA with their trigger happy keystone cops, watch these 2 clueless buffoons both empty their clips at an unarmed black man who was already handcuffed in the backseat of a patrol vehicle because one was spooked by the sound of a nearby falling acorn which he mistook for gunfire and also somehow imagined he’d been shot  Does it make it better or worse that despite the large number of bullets fired from relatively close range they missed him with every shot?

 

 

16 hours ago, User said:

Total BS. The guy literally said he was doing it because of how Shapiro was treating the Palestinians. 

And yet he was an outspoken Trump supporter that is an established fact so by definition not left wing even if he was obsessed with the single issue of Palestine for whatever reason.  Trump supporters are not exactly know for coherent and consistent beliefs  And he was know to be mentally ill so so probably had all kinds of incompatible nonsensical gibberish beliefs that don’t fit into left wing or right wing  

 

16 hours ago, User said:

Yeah, sure, clown, the trans issue is clearly a partisan one, and these trans murderers left plenty of notes on their motives, pushing their trans ideology, which is a left-wing political position. 

I repeat:  the most GENEROUS count of trans killers is 5 out of more than 5,000 mass shootings including domestic violence and gang/crime-related activity. If you think you have proof to the contrary, show it. Secondly being trans doesn’t mean you have a left wing motive. If a disgruntled employee shoots up their workplace it doesn’t automatically make it a left wing attack if that disgruntled worker is trans. So you will have to prove that also. 
 

16 hours ago, User said:

Yeah, note the qualifier here, this was focused very specifically on "terrorist" attacks, not violence in general. 

I gave you 3 different ways of measuring it in 3 different reports, none of them support your claims. But at least you’re willing to admit when it comes to actual acts of terrorism the right is worse.  That’s progress!

Edited September 15, 2025 by BeaverFever

[LinkSoul60]

Trump says it's the radical left lunatics that are the problem in America (and according to his faithful here, Canada as well) and the righteous hardline right wing follows in line as they're told.  But typically, facts get in the way of a good narrative...

What does the data say about politically motivated killings?

According to two reports on politically motivated killings caused by terrorists, right-leaning extremists have disproportionately killed more people in the last 10 years. Both reports noted that injuries and property damage are difficult to accurately track, and these numbers only consider deaths.

The libertarian Cato Institute notes politically motivated violence is rare in the U.S. Alex Nowrasteh, said that 3,599 people died in politically motivated attacks from 1975 through Sept. 10, 2025. Eighty-three percent of those were on 9/11, followed by the Oklahoma City Bombing with 5% of the total.

That breakdown looks like:

• Islamism: 3,122
• Right: 391
• Left: 65
• Unknown/Other: 9
• Foreign nationalism: 8
• Separatism: 4

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism gives different context for deaths attributed to political extremism.

From 2015-24, there were 429 deaths. Of those, 76% were attributed to right-wing extremists. Four percent were credited to extremely leftist attackers, and that includes anarchists and Black nationalists. Domestic Islamist extremism makes up about 18% of the total, and other extremism accounts for 1%.

https://www.clarionledger.com/news/

https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states

[User]

So... he dressed up for Halloween. I dressed up as a ninja for Halloween... that doesn't mean I am a Ninja. 

[Chrissy1979]

2 minutes ago, User said:

So... he dressed up for Halloween. I dressed up as a ninja for Halloween... that doesn't mean I am a Ninja. 

All I said was there is more evidence he is a groyper than a leftist. What evidence do you have that he’s a leftist, other than statements by far-right politicians who seek to sow division? Your turn.

[User]

16 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s a lie

No, its not. The head Democrat, Nancy Pelosi at the time, was calling federal law enforcement brown shirts and kidnappers when they were arresting people who were suspected of the violence against them and federal property during the riots. 

17 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Because it is true.

There is zero evidence George Flyods killing had anything to do with racism. None. Nor any of the other handfuls of incidents immediately after that the left fanned the flames of racism on. 

18 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You want to know how bad it is in USA

What is your evidence of racism here?

18 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

And yet he was an outspoken Trump supporter

You keep making this claim... where are you getting this BS from?

19 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I repeat:  the most GENEROUS count of trans killers is 5 out of more than 5,000 mass shootings including domestic violence and gang/crime-related activity.

I repeat, then your examples were just as dumb... 

19 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I gave you 3 different ways of measuring it in 3 different reports, none of them support your claims. But at least you’re willing to admit when it comes to actual acts of terrorism the right is worse.  That’s progress!

No, you provided one, I pointed out the problem with your argument. 

[User]

4 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

All I said was there is more evidence he is a groyper than a leftist. What evidence do you have that he’s a leftist, other than statements by far-right politicians who seek to sow division? Your turn.

Except, there is not. You have him dressed up in a picture, when the same source you provided from the NYT and others clearly outline people that know him and his life style that point to him being a leftist. 

 

[Chrissy1979]

1 minute ago, User said:

Except, there is not. You have him dressed up in a picture, when the same source you provided from the NYT and others clearly outline people that know him and his life style that point to him being a leftist. 

 

Cite?

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Cite?

Now you had me looking up Nazi furries 🤨

We're at the point of ridiculousness, and subjectivity as objectivity when people make a legitimate case for looking up a perpetrator's background BEFORE they pass judgment on what they did.

Here's the Nazi furry article below.  If the shooter was a Nazi furry, a gardening folk-singer, a pro-bowler... it doesn't matter nor does it inform us as to the causal effect of his associations with his actions.  It's our responsibility to make sure we have a society that can deal with the people who live in it.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/11/nazi-furries-deradicalization-efforts.html

[gatomontes99]

2 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

See what I mean by doubling down? And isn’t it just like the demonic left vermin to dehumanize you by…calling you guys what you are?

The fact you believe your lies is very disturbing. 

[Chrissy1979]

54 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

The fact you believe your lies is very disturbing. 

No cite? Nothing at all to suggest he was a leftist? 
 

See what I mean now when I say there’s more evidence he’s a groyper? You’ve got nothing!

[gatomontes99]

Just now, Chrissy1979 said:

No cite? Nothing at all to suggest he was a leftist? 
 

See what I mean now when I say there’s more evidence he’s a groyper? You’ve got nothing!

Your disconnect from reality is bordering on severe:

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NBC

Updating the investigation into Charlie Kirk’s assassination Sunday, Utah Gov. Spencer Cox told NBC News’ “Meet the Press” that the suspect was in a romantic relationship with his roommate, who is cooperating with authorities.

“What we have learned specifically is that this person did not have any knowledge, was shocked when they found out about it,” Cox said of the roommate.

That person “is a boyfriend who is transitioning from male to female,”

Cox said. Cox was confirming earlier reporting from Fox News.Cox said that Robinson, 22, had a “leftist ideology” despite having come from a conservative family. 

***********

 

[Chrissy1979]

3 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Your disconnect from reality is bordering on severe:

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NBC

Updating the investigation into Charlie Kirk’s assassination Sunday, Utah Gov. Spencer Cox told NBC News’ “Meet the Press” that the suspect was in a romantic relationship with his roommate, who is cooperating with authorities.

“What we have learned specifically is that this person did not have any knowledge, was shocked when they found out about it,” Cox said of the roommate.

That person “is a boyfriend who is transitioning from male to female,”

Cox said. Cox was confirming earlier reporting from Fox News.Cox said that Robinson, 22, had a “leftist ideology” despite having come from a conservative family. 

***********

 

I asked whether you have anything other than what lying far-right politicians have said with no further evidence. Trump said he’s left-wing too but it’s not like his word means anything. There are lots of right-wing gay people (and we don’t even know if that’s the case anyway), so that means nothing.

Edited September 15, 2025 by Chrissy1979

[gatomontes99]

4 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

I asked whether you have anything other than what lying far-right politicians have said with no further evidence. Trump said he’s left-wing too but it’s not like his word means anything. There are lots of right-wing gay people (and we don’t even know if that’s the case anyway), so that means nothing.

Ffs, like read some news: 

DEMSTATE: Former Friend Reveals Tyler Robinson's Left-Leaning Views

In case reading is too hard:

I gave you aprogressive news source that confirms the a-hole is a leftist. Are you going to maintain your severe disconnect from reality or are you finally admitting reality is reality?

 

[Chrissy1979]

16 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Ffs, like read some news: 

DEMSTATE: Former Friend Reveals Tyler Robinson's Left-Leaning Views

In case reading is too hard:

I gave you aprogressive news source that confirms the a-hole is a leftist. Are you going to maintain your severe disconnect from reality or are you finally admitting reality is reality?

 

So all your evidence is the word of lying politicians who won’t back up their statements and a random guy who claims to be his best friend in the whole world. And, like you, none of them can define leftism beyond your idea that it might have something to do with being trans.

So, given we know that he was an extremist Utah-resident gamer with a strong conservative background who wore alt-right Halloween costumes, and that there was a feud between Fuentes and Kirk, my point stands. There is no way you can be any more sure he’s a leftist than I can be he’s a groyper. But I’m more likely to be right.